About collection agencies
When collectors are trained, many call centers require that the agent not give up control of the call. They are trained to be assertive, demanding, and to talk over the debtor during an argument. They are also taught to refer back to any and all possible consequences of non compliance. It is illegal for them to threaten any action they do not intend to or cannot take (a common, illegal threat is to prosecute the debtor for fraud).
Collection agencies are not permitted to call excessively, although the law likely differs from an individual’s opinion as to the definition of excessive. Should you tell a collector that you are going to try to obtain the money in the next few days; the collector will schedule a callback. If you do not call back, the collector will do so starting from the scheduled time/date, and continue for approximately a week. If you have made a promise to pay an amount, the collector will again set a callback time/date. In the event the money is not received and you have not contacted the collector, they will conduct follow up calls, as frequently as twice a day for up to a week. Telling a collector over the phone to stop calling is not effective. To stop all calls, you must put it in writing.
Abusive, illegal tactics by collection agencies can include the following:
Contacting you at work when you have already informed the collectors that it is not permissible
Contacting 3rd parties after contact has been made with you
Disclosing or threatening to disclose information to 3rd parties (friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, supervisors, etc…)
Threatening to have you arrested
Reporting or threatening to report false information on your credit report
Threatening any other action they cannot or do not intend to carry out
Name calling (examples include deadbeat, liar, and thief)
Using profanity
Attempting to collect a debt, or the portion thereof, that is currently in dispute
Contacting you over the telephone after you have sent a letter revoking their ability to do so
Calling in excess of what the law (your state law or the FDCPA98, whichever is more strict) permits
Contacting you in any manner after you have sent a thorough cease and desist letterâ€â€except to inform you of any action now in progress, i.e., a lawsuit
In the event of violations, you must preserve your rights. File a complaint with the FTC, the state agency that oversees collection agencies, and/or obtain a lawyer. If the agency is based out of state, you may be able to file a complaint in their state as well.
One of a debtor’s rights when dealing with a 3rd party collection agency is to demand that communications cease. The debtor can demand to be contacted by mail only, or not at all. Should the debtor send a complete CND letter, it is advisable only when the statute of limitations has run out for the debt. Otherwise, the letter will be interpreted (assuming that it doesn’t blatantly state so) as a refusal to pay the debt. The collection agency/creditor may very well file a lawsuit, viewing litigation as the only way to receive payment. A letter restricting communication to letter form only, in many collection agencies, move the debtor’s account from a collector to the compliance department (or whatever the dept is named, that attempts to ensure that the law is followed regarding debt collection) or experienced collectors will prepare a letter for the account.
It is my personal opinion that any and all correspondence sent to the collection agency be sent using certified mail. This is to provide the sender with a return receipt, which may prove very useful evidence in the event you take the collection agency to court.
Many people wish to not work with the collection agency, and instead work with the creditor. A debtor may attempt to work with the original creditor as long as they still own the account. If the debt has been sold, then it is no longer possible to work with the OC. Some entities by policy refuse to work with a debtor once the account has been assigned to a CA. This is not limited to consumer debts, and can include taxes, student loans, tuition, traffic tickets and other civil penalties. Most collection agencies that are collecting assigned debts do so on a contingency basis, and may only settle on the OC's terms.
It is important to know that collection agencies can do the following:
-Require the full payment immediately
-Not accept partial payments
-When attempting to locate the debtor, they may contact 3rd parties to obtain contact info (neighbors, friends, family members, etc…)
-Sue you for the debt (if past the statute of limitations, the defense is expiration of SOL)
-Ask you for your employer, banking info, income, etc…you are not required to give this information to them
-Attempt to collect a debt that has passed the SOL
-Use power phrases, such as “refusal to comply/cooperateâ€Â
-Explain any and all possible consequences of not paying off the debt*
Many collection agencies will perform some level of negotiating.
Simplified examples of negotiations may include the following:
-PIF demand --> settlement of 2/3
Or,
-PIF demand --> ½ down, ½ in 2 weeks or a month --> ½ down, 2 payments of 1/4
Or,
-PIF demand --> 2/3 down, partial payment plan over 3-12 months
Or,
-SIF offer, limited time only
The older the debt, the lower a company may be willing to settle for, but no matter which collection agency is attempting to collect, they will likely use boiler room tactics. In other words, the money must be in by 2 p.m., end of the day, end of the week, etc… Whenever a debtor is told that the money must be in by 2:00 p.m. (sometimes 3 p.m.), it is often because any payments received after that time will be applied to the next business day’s collections. Towards the end of the month, the collection attempts often get more aggressive. This is because most collectors/collection manager’s bonuses are based upon some form of monthly productivity, and they are striving to reach or maximize that bonus check.
The terms will soften only over time, provided the CA does not aggressively litigate. After each offer you are given is rebuffed, the collector will likely press you harder by explaining possible consequences (and in the case of abusive collections, will threaten you with things they cannot actually do).
On accounts that have passed the statute of limitations, collectors will attempt to have you verbally acknowledge the debt, especially if the call is being recorded, or having you make a token payment. Even a minuscule payment, or a promise to pay, will restart the clock. A cease and desist letter that does not acknowledge the debt, but does inform the CA that said debt has lapsed is probably the best defense.
Some collection agencies will refuse all payment plan offers, accepting only the BIF. These most aggressive companies will only take the PIF, or litigate the matter. Unfortunately, if they are legally entitled to collect the debt, they then do have the prerogative to proceed this way. Even though it isn’t “right,†it is legal. Before suing you, a debt collector must have either bought the debt, or been assigned to collect on the debt by the entity that does own it. In the event a debtor has asked for validation and is sued prior to being given said validation, then the debtor should answer with a counter claim for FDCPA8 violations.
It might be worth noting a couple of other things. First, many collectors are rarely paid a good wage. They may be paid a few dollars above minimum wage, but have the incentive of a potentially large bonus check after exceeding the amount they are budgeted to collect. The bonus can effectively double or better their standard wages. A second interesting fact is that a good number of collectors end up with the job after having been collected upon themselves, even with the same office if they live in the area.
*There is a difference between giving possible consequences and threatening.
For example: A collector may explain that failure to pay a traffic citation can result in the driver’s license being suspended (if that in fact can happen). A collector may not state that he/she is going to suspend the license unless the debtor pays.
BIF = Balance in Full
SIF = Settlement in Full
PIF = Paid in Full
CA = Collection Agency
OC = Original Creditor
fdcpa = Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
FTC = Federal Trade Commission
-John E. Southard

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I was in the middle of discovery and pretrial i sent the laywer a ceertified copy of my answer ( not all his intterogoties) plus a 2 page letter to validate my depth. The trial was suppose to be in 2/23 . I guess he didn't like my answer he filed ang a final judgement agains me for failure to answer his intterogoties. Can he get away with me not getting a trial never mind the pretrial.
Ron
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do you have proof of this? did you file anything with the courts?
If you deal with Zwicker and associates for debt collection; get a lawyer. We just got a judgement against them, they are slime buckets and liars. We counter sued them and they settled; they had no choice because they lied.
Don't forget this advice.
Can a collection agency continue to charge interest if the amount was charged off by the OC? My account was charged off at $526 from the OC, but now the collection agency is charging me $875 saying that it has accumulated interests and that they will continue to charge interest until the balance is paid off. I live in Illinois, is the legal? Please help I'm very confused and do not know what to do. Thank you.
As far as I've read they are able to charge you interest but there is a limit on that, for California its 10%. Check the limit for your state.
I received a collections letter today (Mar '10) from NCO Financial for my CapOne account. I was only "late" by one month (but I made a partial pymt). They jacked my rate from 7.9% to 23.15% for two late payments (Dec '08 because I lost the bill - paid right away when they called) and (Apr '09 was late by 3 days; when I called in they said if I paid my rate wouldn't go up, but of course it did). I am not even sure what my terms were (how many times and how many days to be late for the rate to go up), but a "change" that was effective May '09 (AFTER the 2nd late was made) said it would go up if two payments were 3 or more days late. The reps I spoke w/at Cap One gave me different answers, like it had to be at least 4 or 5 days late. Wasn't a big deal, as it was on a small balance. But in Feb '10, the 23.15% applied to my entire balance (over $7k), which included a balance transfer that was at 0% for 18 mos. My questions are: 1) Can they legally send me to collections when I am less than 60 days "late"? I made a partial payment in Feb '10 ($30) as I was on disability for 3 mos. My min. pymt had jumped from $130 to $220/mo. ($155 = interest). I told them I could not afford that and they need to bring the rate down. They put me on a hardship, told me there wouldn't be late fees for 3 mos., told me I could still use my card (which I haven't used for well over a year anyway), and would give me $100 credit if I got the account current. Next thing I know, I have $0 credit available and I'm in Collections!!! What a bunch of liars! 2) Can I ask them to validate the 23.15% interest rate? I asked them to send proof of the terms of my account when it made the jump, but what they sent had nothing to do with those terms. I HATE Capital One! 3) Should I ask the CA to validate or prove the debt (as suggested in prior posts)? 4) Will I be able to negotiate with the CA? 5) Will it at least drop the interest from 23% to 10% (I read here that's the max in CA)? By the way, the collection letter was dated 6 days before my next payment was due. I made a payment (again, partial) a few days ago online, apparently AFTER the debt was turned over to the CA. So apparently they (Cap One)will still accept my payments? Should I remove my bank info from my CC acct? Where does the payment I just made go?
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please.there is a thread regarding preferred,and it is not complimentary.so blow your horn somewhere else.
There is a petition to help stop these monsters-
www.petitiononline.com/nwchange/petition.html
Please SIGN and pass on. Everyday too many people are having their rights violated and their due process taken away. These reporting companies and the bureaus have a hand in controling your personal destiny and quality of life with their constant misreporting. The FDCPA and FCRA are not enough!! There is no way to enforce it and by the time you have time to act on anything many times the damage is already done (denial of credit, education, home, insurance...ect)
The only way we can ever change things is to step up and force this issue to our government reps-
SIGN!
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Just want to know why their is a petition called for them? Are they really abusive?
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