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Replied on 05-28-2010, 11:54 AM

My bank suggested that I try to get them to take a debit card or regular check and not an authorized withdrawal because it is VERY difficult to stop them if not impossible. I had to out a block on my account to stop one which cause my other checks to bounce and lots of NSF fees. Some creditors will not take a debit card. I know that citibank won't accept it if you are settling with them.

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Sub: #114
Replied on 06-02-2010, 12:32 PM

1.) If the SOL has expired on a debt, can the debt collectors continue to report this to the credit bureaus forever? If one keeps selling it to another, it seems like this could just continue.
2.) If I lived in AZ when I incurred the debt, but now live in TX which SOL do I have to abide by?
3.) If I send a collector a letter stating the SOL has expired on the debt, does he have to cease collections activities for the debt? Can he sell the debt to another agency even if it is beyond SOL?

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Sub: #115
Replied on 06-03-2010, 02:54 PM

At anytime you can mail the CA a stop and desist letter. This does not mean you do not owe the debit it just makes it so they can not call you anymore anywhere.

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Sub: #116
Replied on 06-04-2010, 11:15 AM

Ok I have 2 collections on my report from AFNI, INC that I have no clue what its for.. but on the reports if doesn't have my account # so if I send them a letter of verfication of debt how do i identify who i am so they can do their research.. I sure don't want to put my SS # or do I?

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Sub: #117 Senior
Replied on 06-10-2010, 02:33 PM

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Well said. This is a good summary of the highlights of the fdcpa.
I have no debt and yet I am being harassed daily by phone calls from a debt collector (CBE of Iowa) who hangs up when I answer the phone and leaves a message when I don't answer.

All their message says is that they are a debt collector but they don't describe the debt. I have mailed a complaint to them, to the Better Business Bureau of Iowa, to my state Attorney General, to the Iowa Attorney General, and plan to file a complaint with the FTC. So far, CBE keeps calling every day.

Any other suggestions?

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Sub: #118
Replied on 06-15-2010, 11:08 PM

saseidel, unless it is court ordered, no they can not attach your pay. Pending on the state your are in, any seizure of your assets has to be done through the court. You might want to look at your state law, but I believe they have to obtain a judgement first, then if you still do not pay, they can do a garnishment. Good luck.

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Sub: #119 Must be in writing
Replied on 06-18-2010, 06:39 PM

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At anytime you can mail the CA a stop and desist letter. This does not mean you do not owe the debit it just makes it so they can not call you anymore anywhere.
This has to be in writing, I know this much. But was wondering if you can send it via email. I have seen emails stand up in court, so was not sure if that was the case with cease and desist letters.




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Replied on 06-18-2010, 06:42 PM

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This has to be in writing, I know this much. But was wondering if you can send it via email. I have seen emails stand up in court, so was not sure if that was the case with cease and desist letters.
oh really?and how did an email stand up in court?unless the sender attached a receipt then maybe,but if not i would like an example of this if you please.

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Sub: #121 oldjoke
Replied on 07-12-2010, 02:11 PM

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please.there is a thread regarding preferred,and it is not complimentary.so blow your horn somewhere else.
Do you have any suggestions for a real one? thank you




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Replied on 07-12-2010, 02:34 PM

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Do you have any suggestions for a real one? thank you
we have a thing called the search bar top right.the threads about this scam are real.unlike your rappier wit.

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Sub: #123 you forgot 1 thing
Replied on 07-23-2010, 10:17 AM

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Congrats on your first sticky.A very well put together topic.
what is the statue of limitations for how long a debt can be going????

Sub: #124
Replied on 07-23-2010, 05:37 PM

About collection agencies


When collectors are trained, many call centers require that the agent not give up control of the call. They are trained to be assertive, demanding, and to talk over the debtor during an argument. They are also taught to refer back to any and all possible consequences of non compliance. It is illegal for them to threaten any action they do not intend to or cannot take (a common, illegal threat is to prosecute the debtor for fraud).

Collection agencies are not permitted to call excessively, although the law likely differs from an individual’s opinion as to the definition of excessive. Should you tell a collector that you are going to try to obtain the money in the next few days; the collector will schedule a callback. If you do not call back, the collector will do so starting from the scheduled time/date, and continue for approximately a week. If you have made a promise to pay an amount, the collector will again set a callback time/date. In the event the money is not received and you have not contacted the collector, they will conduct follow up calls, as frequently as twice a day for up to a week. Telling a collector over the phone to stop calling is not effective. To stop all calls, you must put it in writing.

Abusive, illegal tactics by collection agencies can include the following:
Contacting you at work when you have already informed the collectors that it is not permissible
Contacting 3rd parties after contact has been made with you
Disclosing or threatening to disclose information to 3rd parties (friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, supervisors, etc…)
Threatening to have you arrested
Reporting or threatening to report false information on your credit report
Threatening any other action they cannot or do not intend to carry out
Name calling (examples include deadbeat, liar, and thief)
Using profanity
Attempting to collect a debt, or the portion thereof, that is currently in dispute
Contacting you over the telephone after you have sent a letter revoking their ability to do so
Calling in excess of what the law (your state law or the FDCPA98, whichever is more strict) permits
Contacting you in any manner after you have sent a thorough cease and desist letter—except to inform you of any action now in progress, i.e., a lawsuit

In the event of violations, you must preserve your rights. File a complaint with the FTC, the state agency that oversees collection agencies, and/or obtain a lawyer. If the agency is based out of state, you may be able to file a complaint in their state as well.

One of a debtor’s rights when dealing with a 3rd party collection agency is to demand that communications cease. The debtor can demand to be contacted by mail only, or not at all. Should the debtor send a complete CND letter, it is advisable only when the statute of limitations has run out for the debt. Otherwise, the letter will be interpreted (assuming that it doesn’t blatantly state so) as a refusal to pay the debt. The collection agency/creditor may very well file a lawsuit, viewing litigation as the only way to receive payment. A letter restricting communication to letter form only, in many collection agencies, move the debtor’s account from a collector to the compliance department (or whatever the dept is named, that attempts to ensure that the law is followed regarding debt collection) or experienced collectors will prepare a letter for the account.

It is my personal opinion that any and all correspondence sent to the collection agency be sent using certified mail. This is to provide the sender with a return receipt, which may prove very useful evidence in the event you take the collection agency to court.

Many people wish to not work with the collection agency, and instead work with the creditor. A debtor may attempt to work with the original creditor as long as they still own the account. If the debt has been sold, then it is no longer possible to work with the OC. Some entities by policy refuse to work with a debtor once the account has been assigned to a CA. This is not limited to consumer debts, and can include taxes, student loans, tuition, traffic tickets and other civil penalties. Most collection agencies that are collecting assigned debts do so on a contingency basis, and may only settle on the OC's terms.

It is important to know that collection agencies can do the following:

-Require the full payment immediately
-Not accept partial payments
-When attempting to locate the debtor, they may contact 3rd parties to obtain contact info (neighbors, friends, family members, etc…)
-Sue you for the debt (if past the statute of limitations, the defense is expiration of SOL)
-Ask you for your employer, banking info, income, etc…you are not required to give this information to them
-Attempt to collect a debt that has passed the SOL
-Use power phrases, such as “refusal to comply/cooperate”
-Explain any and all possible consequences of not paying off the debt*
Many collection agencies will perform some level of negotiating.
Simplified examples of negotiations may include the following:

-PIF demand --> settlement of 2/3
Or,
-PIF demand --> ½ down, ½ in 2 weeks or a month --> ½ down, 2 payments of 1/4
Or,
-PIF demand --> 2/3 down, partial payment plan over 3-12 months
Or,
-SIF offer, limited time only

The older the debt, the lower a company may be willing to settle for, but no matter which collection agency is attempting to collect, they will likely use boiler room tactics. In other words, the money must be in by 2 p.m., end of the day, end of the week, etc… Whenever a debtor is told that the money must be in by 2:00 p.m. (sometimes 3 p.m.), it is often because any payments received after that time will be applied to the next business day’s collections. Towards the end of the month, the collection attempts often get more aggressive. This is because most collectors/collection manager’s bonuses are based upon some form of monthly productivity, and they are striving to reach or maximize that bonus check.

The terms will soften only over time, provided the CA does not aggressively litigate. After each offer you are given is rebuffed, the collector will likely press you harder by explaining possible consequences (and in the case of abusive collections, will threaten you with things they cannot actually do).

On accounts that have passed the statute of limitations, collectors will attempt to have you verbally acknowledge the debt, especially if the call is being recorded, or having you make a token payment. Even a minuscule payment, or a promise to pay, will restart the clock. A cease and desist letter that does not acknowledge the debt, but does inform the CA that said debt has lapsed is probably the best defense.

Some collection agencies will refuse all payment plan offers, accepting only the BIF. These most aggressive companies will only take the PIF, or litigate the matter. Unfortunately, if they are legally entitled to collect the debt, they then do have the prerogative to proceed this way. Even though it isn’t “right,” it is legal. Before suing you, a debt collector must have either bought the debt, or been assigned to collect on the debt by the entity that does own it. In the event a debtor has asked for validation and is sued prior to being given said validation, then the debtor should answer with a counter claim for FDCPA8 violations.

It might be worth noting a couple of other things. First, many collectors are rarely paid a good wage. They may be paid a few dollars above minimum wage, but have the incentive of a potentially large bonus check after exceeding the amount they are budgeted to collect. The bonus can effectively double or better their standard wages. A second interesting fact is that a good number of collectors end up with the job after having been collected upon themselves, even with the same office if they live in the area.


*There is a difference between giving possible consequences and threatening.
For example: A collector may explain that failure to pay a traffic citation can result in the driver’s license being suspended (if that in fact can happen). A collector may not state that he/she is going to suspend the license unless the debtor pays.

BIF = Balance in Full
SIF = Settlement in Full
PIF = Paid in Full
CA = Collection Agency
OC = Original Creditor
fdcpa = Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
FTC = Federal Trade Commission

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Sub: #125 About collection agencies
Replied on 07-27-2010, 12:23 PM

I agree with most of what you have posted and for the most part it's correct. The biggest part I disagree with is the following: "Contacting 3rd parties after contact has been made with you" You MAY contact a 3rd party after you have had contact with the consumer if you have reason to believe that may have additional or new information.

Contact may be identifying yourself and the collector and have the consumer identify themselve but hang up. A third party (parent, sibling, relative, neighbor etc.) may have additional information or MAY (I stress MAY) want to take a message and give it to the consumer.

Also, Collectors, at a reputable and professional Agency, will try to control a conversation but should NEVER talk over the consumer. Most times listening will garner positive results. Most times the consumer knows they owe the debt and if they owe one they probably owe others, they are embarassed and frustrated. I find it's much easier to listen, not take the consversation personally and try to work out a solution.



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About collection agencies
When collectors are trained, many call centers require that the agent not give up control of the call. They are trained to be assertive, demanding, and to talk over the debtor during an argument. They are also taught to refer back to any and all possible consequences of non compliance. It is illegal for them to threaten any action they do not intend to or cannot take (a common, illegal threat is to prosecute the debtor for fraud).
Collection agencies are not permitted to call excessively, although the law likely differs from an individual�€™s opinion as to the definition of excessive. Should you tell a collector that you are going to try to obtain the money in the next few days; the collector will schedule a callback. If you do not call back, the collector will do so starting from the scheduled time/date, and continue for approximately a week. If you have made a promise to pay an amount, the collector will again set a callback time/date. In the event the money is not received and you have not contacted the collector, they will conduct follow up calls, as frequently as twice a day for up to a week. Telling a collector over the phone to stop calling is not effective. To stop all calls, you must put it in writing.
Abusive, illegal tactics by collection agencies can include the following:
Contacting you at work when you have already informed the collectors that it is not permissible
Contacting 3rd parties after contact has been made with you
Disclosing or threatening to disclose information to 3rd parties (friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, supervisors, etc�€�)
Threatening to have you arrested
Reporting or threatening to report false information on your credit report
Threatening any other action they cannot or do not intend to carry out
Name calling (examples include deadbeat, liar, and thief)
Using profanity
Attempting to collect a debt, or the portion thereof, that is currently in dispute
Contacting you over the telephone after you have sent a letter revoking their ability to do so
Calling in excess of what the law (your state law or the FDCPA98, whichever is more strict) permits
Contacting you in any manner after you have sent a thorough cease and desist letter�€”except to inform you of any action now in progress, i.e., a lawsuit
In the event of violations, you must preserve your rights. File a complaint with the FTC, the state agency that oversees collection agencies, and/or obtain a lawyer. If the agency is based out of state, you may be able to file a complaint in their state as well.
One of a debtor�€™s rights when dealing with a 3rd party collection agency is to demand that communications cease. The debtor can demand to be contacted by mail only, or not at all. Should the debtor send a complete CND letter, it is advisable only when the statute of limitations has run out for the debt. Otherwise, the letter will be interpreted (assuming that it doesn�€™t blatantly state so) as a refusal to pay the debt. The collection agency/creditor may very well file a lawsuit, viewing litigation as the only way to receive payment. A letter restricting communication to letter form only, in many collection agencies, move the debtor�€™s account from a collector to the compliance department (or whatever the dept is named, that attempts to ensure that the law is followed regarding debt collection) or experienced collectors will prepare a letter for the account.
It is my personal opinion that any and all correspondence sent to the collection agency be sent using certified mail. This is to provide the sender with a return receipt, which may prove very useful evidence in the event you take the collection agency to court.
Many people wish to not work with the collection agency, and instead work with the creditor. A debtor may attempt to work with the original creditor as long as they still own the account. If the debt has been sold, then it is no longer possible to work with the OC. Some entities by policy refuse to work with a debtor once the account has been assigned to a CA. This is not limited to consumer debts, and can include taxes, student loans, tuition, traffic tickets and other civil penalties. Most collection agencies that are collecting assigned debts do so on a contingency basis, and may only settle on the OC's terms.
It is important to know that collection agencies can do the following:
-Require the full payment immediately
-Not accept partial payments
-When attempting to locate the debtor, they may contact 3rd parties to obtain contact info (neighbors, friends, family members, etc�€�)
-Sue you for the debt (if past the statute of limitations, the defense is expiration of SOL)
-Ask you for your employer, banking info, income, etc�€�you are not required to give this information to them
-Attempt to collect a debt that has passed the SOL
-Use power phrases, such as �€œrefusal to comply/cooperate�€�
-Explain any and all possible consequences of not paying off the debt*
Many collection agencies will perform some level of negotiating.
Simplified examples of negotiations may include the following:
-PIF demand --> settlement of 2/3
Or,
-PIF demand --> ½ down, ½ in 2 weeks or a month --> ½ down, 2 payments of 1/4
Or,
-PIF demand --> 2/3 down, partial payment plan over 3-12 months
Or,
-SIF offer, limited time only
The older the debt, the lower a company may be willing to settle for, but no matter which collection agency is attempting to collect, they will likely use boiler room tactics. In other words, the money must be in by 2 p.m., end of the day, end of the week, etc�€� Whenever a debtor is told that the money must be in by 2:00 p.m. (sometimes 3 p.m.), it is often because any payments received after that time will be applied to the next business day�€™s collections. Towards the end of the month, the collection attempts often get more aggressive. This is because most collectors/collection manager�€™s bonuses are based upon some form of monthly productivity, and they are striving to reach or maximize that bonus check.
The terms will soften only over time, provided the CA does not aggressively litigate. After each offer you are given is rebuffed, the collector will likely press you harder by explaining possible consequences (and in the case of abusive collections, will threaten you with things they cannot actually do).
On accounts that have passed the statute of limitations, collectors will attempt to have you verbally acknowledge the debt, especially if the call is being recorded, or having you make a token payment. Even a minuscule payment, or a promise to pay, will restart the clock. A cease and desist letter that does not acknowledge the debt, but does inform the CA that said debt has lapsed is probably the best defense.
Some collection agencies will refuse all payment plan offers, accepting only the BIF. These most aggressive companies will only take the PIF, or litigate the matter. Unfortunately, if they are legally entitled to collect the debt, they then do have the prerogative to proceed this way. Even though it isn�€™t �€œright,�€� it is legal. Before suing you, a debt collector must have either bought the debt, or been assigned to collect on the debt by the entity that does own it. In the event a debtor has asked for validation and is sued prior to being given said validation, then the debtor should answer with a counter claim for FDCPA8 violations.
It might be worth noting a couple of other things. First, many collectors are rarely paid a good wage. They may be paid a few dollars above minimum wage, but have the incentive of a potentially large bonus check after exceeding the amount they are budgeted to collect. The bonus can effectively double or better their standard wages. A second interesting fact is that a good number of collectors end up with the job after having been collected upon themselves, even with the same office if they live in the area.
*There is a difference between giving possible consequences and threatening.
For example: A collector may explain that failure to pay a traffic citation can result in the driver�€™s license being suspended (if that in fact can happen). A collector may not state that he/she is going to suspend the license unless the debtor pays.
BIF = Balance in Full
SIF = Settlement in Full
PIF = Paid in Full
CA = Collection Agency
OC = Original Creditor
fdcpa = Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
FTC = Federal Trade Commission


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Sub: #126
Replied on 07-27-2010, 12:39 PM

That depends on the State and the type of Debt. if you signed a promissory note and it's under seal it could be as long as 20 years or more. If it's Federal Debt, taxes, Federal Student loans, etc. there are NO SOL's.

Google Statutes of Limitations and that will tell you what the limit is for the state you reside. SOL's and reporting to the credit bureaus are different. A debt can only be reported for 7 years from the date of last activity, after that it MUST be removed. All the SOL means is if the original creditor can sue you and likely win. Keep in mind even if the statutes have expired a creditor can still decide to sue, the chances are winning are low.

Regardless of statutes if a consumer owes a debt, they have a moral obligation to pay that debt regardless of its age.
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what is the statue of limitations for how long a debt can be going????


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Sub: #127
Replied on 08-07-2010, 07:12 AM

what is the minimum % to settle an account with a collections agency?

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Sub: #128
Replied on 08-09-2010, 11:46 AM

What if the person MRS Associates is seeking is not myself? The same name with different initial? They've known this for a few months and subsequent calls yet they continue to call.

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