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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:06 am Subject:

hockey man I am still patiently waiting for your response..you see..you studied law in your education ..I studied psychology..doesn't matter.. however you boldly spoke of fraud regarding internet gambling..yet in my mind when people go to court there are 2 or more opposing lawyers there and one of them always ends up losing..so that tells me that lawyers aren't always right.. one of them always ends up wrong.. even if they aren't.. just the nature of the business you are involved in...they can cite cases but the opposing side will have just as many cases to refer to..doesn't take a college grad to realize this...once again question is this..I live in the United States of America..the country I live in has declared a law that internet gambling transactions are illegal..you state that I may have stepped onto their soil and they can now come after me in my country? No.. I didn't do this and my common sense tells me I never would....but for the people here who did...these companies surely can not collect on illegal transactions after they broke the law by allowing transactions and coding them wrongly in order to allow them..in a United States Court of Law..hockeyman ..please cite at least one case where this has happened..because I am not a lawyer! But I was born with a bit of common sense..and will not change my opinion on this subject until otherwise proved wrong!!!!! Where the heck did you go?

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:40 am Subject:

Please give him some time, he is very busy (he is a attorney and probably has a lot of work plus his personal life) when he gets time to come back on the board he'll get around to you. I respect him, he is a knowledgable attorney and always has given sound advice in the past. Also when you step into international commerce laws things get a little weird.

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:55 am Subject:

I understand Jcemt
heck the last time I talked to a lawyer I believe it cost me $175 and hour and that was years ago...
I shouldn't expect him to just stop what he is doing and answer anyone who has asked a question here..

from what I have read on his posts I also respect him and would really like some answers from him because what he stated contradicts what I have seen so far..

I will check back in a few weeks and in the meantime thanks Jcemt I have read many of your posts and respect your opinions just as well.

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:15 am Subject:

You know, now that I think about it I know what hockeyman was saying. In the USA it is illegal to own/operate a internet gambling website. That's if your on US soil. Now, it's completely legal outside the USA unless that country has laws that says otherwise. So I see where bodog or whatever it's called is legal probably in the country it exists in. Of course that company would be bound by business laws pertaining to the country of origin. I'm still not sure myself if a person visiting their site would be bound by their country's laws for those transactions. But then again I'm no expert on international commerce law.

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:16 am Subject:

But I bet the FTC might know.

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:16 am Subject:

sorry I'm getting too old..need some ginseng or something very good and herbal that really!!!! works perhaps....

anyhow when I first read this post I looked at guest comment of Joseph Mann and Creed about unsatisfactory rating with Ohio BBB....

from what I have seen.if you file a complaint with any BBB anywhere..the collection company in any city will respond to your complaint that they can't provide any information to BBB on matter because they are protecting you... the person who has reported them!

just another game they play....you will never get a response from this particular co from complaint to the Ohio BBB...but your complaint will be logged...a waste of time as far as you are concerned ...but 100 people from now?..might indeed help that particular victim....

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:29 am Subject:

That and BBB memberships are purchased, not earned. If you have a complaint about a collection agency you file it where it matters. The FTC and attorney general's office for your state and theirs.

Guest2 (no debt) · Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:22 am Subject: Pay your damn bills!

GUEST: You incur a debt and hide behind the legalities of whether or not you deposited legally, simply put, you are a scammer, you agreed to pay someone and bailed when you didn't win! It's guys like you that ruin the industry in any country whether the country deems it legal or not!

Pay your bills and be a man about it, stop hiding behind whether or not the US deems it legal, better yet, don't pay your debt, let the lawyers get involved and pay a fine or serve time in the US for your so called non legal online gambling also the non legal use of your wife's card without her permission (I believe this is theft in the US) to gamble.. A criminal record is better then a bad credit score I'm certain! GO COLLECTIONS AGENCY!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:27 am Subject:

Pay an illegal debt? I bet your the kind of person who would be like. "don't forget boys and girls to pay your terrorists, extortionists, and zoophiles..." Shocked

Seriously guest, whatever. You come on here and just flame people and we could care less what you have to say cause your just a little drama king/queen thats here to start shit. Go somewhere else troll.

P.S

Here is a site for you guest:
youfail.org
It's a real site, check it out.

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:52 pm Subject:

Jcemt you said it better than I ever could possibly make an attempt at
but I would also like to challenge
the Guest2 (no debt) ...

provide some actual validation on charges..then we can talk about the man-up situation..

oops..there you go threatening jail time regarding illegal internet gambling transactions..and even on this sight you are violating fdcpa as usual..

I challenge you to stop hiding behind your unregulated industry that lets you treat people like you do..stop the threats because America is waking up here..
follow the law with respect and perhaps..you will be respected... just a thought

Guest2 · Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:44 am Subject:

Let me ask you right off.. if this guy "GUEST" went to a gaming establishment (C@sino is banned apparently) in Atlantic City, used his wife's card and blow $1111.00, who should incur the charge? Obviously this guy made a debt on the card using his wife's card, had her CV2 number and did a deposit to what you now refer as an illegal site, (did he think it was illegal at the time, and if so why is he doing illegal transactions?) so yah, the guy knew fully well what he was doing, incurring a debt and making a deal with something now he says is illegal (on his wife's card, but didn't think it was illegal when he first used the site). So it's okay to play the chargeback card and make a business (operating legally somewhere) lose funds or cease any opertunity to collect when he made the deal?

If this be the case, it's a wonder the US is in debt.. US Citizens can use their credit cards all over, charge back if they are unsatisfied and have businesses eat the cost.

Good luck to the US in 2008.

Guest2 · Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:55 am Subject:

And yes, as per the "Unregulated" industry, I hope the US does regulate it, so guys like this can do it all legally and not chargeback for debts they obviously make. If you can't pay your bills, you should be spending money on someone elses credit card, plain and simple!

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:00 am Subject:

GO AWAY TROLL & QUIT TRYING TO FLAME OUR BOARD!!!

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:27 am Subject:

Drama Queen, there I said it.
It's true to, who else starts this kinda shit whom has no personal interest at stake

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:32 am Subject:

People don't respond to them, it trys to flame because he/she is a drama queen. They have to make themselves the center of attention, through negative means usually as this one is a Troll Queen. They post, ignore them. It will get worse but in the long run when they have tried their most inflammatory tactics to no avail (kinda like a infants temper tantrum) they will eventually go away.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:02 pm Subject:

Easy, CB. Don't let the troll get to ya, or he wins. He's probably just shillin' for some CA, for a quarter per post.

For my part, if I wanted his opinion, I'd damn well give it to him. I suspect that I'm not the only one on here that feels that way, either.

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