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Guest · Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:22 pm Subject:

Hi jockman811, I received a call 2 weeks ago or so, thank goodness I found this site!! I called Mr. Sargent back and asked him if he could send me the outstanding claim in writing and I would be happy to pay it. I then informed him that I was aware of this sight and he started yelling at me. It was brutal, so I hung up. I have not heard from him again. They cannot take you to court without providing you with documentation. I would not pay anything until I have something in writing! I also told them that I would not send them any money and that I would just pay the creditor directly....

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:52 am Subject:

IF he calls back, just simply ask for proof of the debt be sent to you. You need to know the creditor's name and the amount. Asking for that should be enough to set him off with threats and intimidation. Ignore them - by US and Canadian law, he is required to send you proof of the debt via postal mail. And until he does, he has no rights over you.

Charline · Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:32 am Subject:

Should you have any questions and/or concerns kindly contact Charline at 905-474-3535

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:27 pm Subject:

Hey Charline. Welcome back.

I was just wondering if you got an answer from Mr. David or Mr. Sargent yet???

Charline · Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:00 pm Subject:

I've not spoken with either associate regarding your request jedijeff13 because I'm not able to refer them to any particular case.
I'm not able to do anything without your case number.
Sorry

Micheller88 · Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:20 pm Subject: It gets better

In one of Charline's replies she stated that they were governed by The Law Society of Upper Canada. However if you go to their website, the company she works for is not listed. I have gotten two phone calls from them and I know they are not real. I have tried contacting them three times now and to no avail. I have already dealt with several issues with Canada and their financial laws. Just thought that you might want to check out the website that they are stating they are a part of.

http://www.lsuc.on.ca/index_en.html

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:56 am Subject:

Charline - I would LOVE to give you a reference case number, but as I have said many times in this thread, that information was never given to me when requested.

Plus - my question is really fairly general that doesn't require any case number. Let me mention again what I would like you to ask:

Why did they refuse to send me, and other here, documentation when asked?

And if for some reason that question just seems impossible to answer without a case number, how about a followup question:

Why did Mr. David stop calling me when I told him I thought he was trying to scam me? If it was a real debt, and your company was retained to collect the debt (over $2000 with fees and all), I would think that would be far too large a debt for a company to write off. And since I never sent any money, I would have thought I would have been taken to court by now, since I was threate.....I mean, informed in a kind and pleasant tone, that court papers would be filled on me by the end of the week. Are weeks in Canada much longer than those here in the US? Cuz it's been about 4 months since Mr. David last called me.

Anyway, I'll be here waiting for their reply. Thanks Charline - you're the best!

Charline · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:20 am Subject:

I have never stated that the law office of Mr. Paul Kupferstein is on the web site for the Law Society of Upper Canada. I'm not going to go back and list each post, I suggest you re-read. I assure you if you call the law office at 905-474-3535 you will be directed to the appropriate associate.
Jedifeff13, without being able to reveiw your case I'm not able to determine why the information you had requested was not provided to you. Neither of these gentlemen know who you are, so they are not able to give answers either.
We do have several cases under review, and we do litigate. Whether we choose to litigate or not depends on many things, of which I'm not going to discuss on this forum as this information is for obvious reason confidential.
Mr. David didn't cease communications with you because you told him you thought he was trying to scam you, he would have most likely noted legal action on this file, and then he would no longer contact this file.
Happy Canada Day, and 4th of July everyone!

Intimidated · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:47 am Subject:

There is absolutely no reason why you - Charline cannot in just conversation possibly talk to Mr. David or Mr. Sargeant to find out the answers to jedijeff13's questions.

His question is definitely "fairly general" and it wouldn't take much to find out the answers. The questions are not complicated and are very general.

Are you going to tippy toe around this one to or just get it done and answer his questions. They are so basic to begin with. You don't need a case file to answer them - give me a break.

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:22 am Subject:

Charline....

I must not have expressed myself well enough. I wanted you to ask THEM why they didn't send the documentaton and instead threatened me. You answered for them, and since you obviously did not handle my case, cuz you have told us time and time again of your attention to detail, you really wouldn't be able to speak for them. So, I am sure you guys are very busy following Alberta law in Ontario (just like I follow Alaska law in my home state) and collecting debts from us low life scum, but maybe on his lunch Mr. David or Mr. Sargent could respond?

Ya know, when you think of it, there is NO reason the info was not provided to me. Since the laws in both the US and Canada require that written proof of debt be provided upon request, there shouldn't be anything noted in any file as to why it was not sent to me. The way I see it, the call should have gone something like this:

"Mr. xxxx? My name is Mr. David from Liability Solutions. You have a debt we are trying to collect in the amount of $xxxxx."
"Mr. David. I don't recall that debt. Could you send me proof of the amount and the creditor?"
"Mr. xxxx, it would be my pleasure to send that to you. Let me verify your address."

See - THAT is how it is supposed to work. But instead, it went something more like this:

"I am Mr. David from Liability Solutions. You have a debt of $xxxxx you owe. When can I expect payment?"
"Mr. David, I don't recall this debt. Could you send me proof?"
"I DON'T HAVE TO SEND YOU PROOF! SEND ME $xxxxx BY WESTERN UNION OR I WILL SEE YOU IN COURT!"
"I would pay this debt but I don't recal...."
"PAY IT OR I WILL SUE YOU!!!"

I might be summing up a bit, but that was the basic idea.

Charline · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:26 am Subject:

Are you serious? Do you have any idea how many people on a daily,weekly or monthly basis our paralegals speak with? You are expecting them to remember one person that claims he was not provided with a debt validation? I mean no disrespect, but you have to stop with this sillyness. Each of these men probably speak with a least 200 different people on a daily basis - they've long forgotten about this matter if in deed it ever happened.
I'm being told that no debt validation was given, but I'm not able to confirm or deny this matter because no one can give me any information. There is a file somewhere in our office other wise no call would have been made in the first place. No can give me their name, a file number or anything that will give me even a hint of who they are so I can check these files. I can't get blood from a stone.
Say I ask Mr. S or Mr. D "why did you not provide the requested debt validation to jedifeff13, or to Guest, or to Intimidated?" - what do you suppose thier response would be?
I have done all I can possible do, without looking at the files in question I can not do anything.
Charline

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:34 am Subject:

Actually, I am dead serious. Why would they "provide it for other people", which is what you would claim, but everyone else on here they can't send and only threaten. Do you notice that more and more people post with the same story over and over? But I might just humor myself and call you today.

oh, and Charline, I DO have the time to go back and read al the posts. You did reference the Upper Law Society of Canada:

Posted: 31 May 2006 14:09 Post subject:
We are a Law Office located in Ontario Canada. We are governed by the Law Society of Upper Canada. My name is Charline and you can reach me at 905-474-3535.
You'll need your file number.

Middle of http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/forums/paul-kupferstein-15.html

FED UP · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:36 am Subject:

Though I haven't posted in a long time, I watch this site daily.
Charline-
You say that how are Mr. D and Mr. S suppose to give requested debt validation to Jeff13, etc.? Well, I received a call from Mr. David and after being screamed at and told that he wanted to talk to my attorney, I did just that. I hired an attorney for this mess. My attorney asked Mr. David for any and all debt validation they had on me as well as proof of any and all measures that have been taken to collect on the debt. Mr. David said he wouldn't release any info to my attorney until Mr. David received a letter of representation. My attorney did that and 7 months later, both me and my attorney are waiting for any and all info the law firm has on my case. Mr. David was given my case number as well as my name

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:43 am Subject:

And since I just like having fun and being a bit of a dork:

200 people per day? 8 hour day or more? Cuz at 8 hours, that would be a phone call that lasts 2min 24 seconds, one after another with no breaks at all.

MAN.....business must be booming, huh? Smile

Charline · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:50 pm Subject:

Call me and give me your names and case numbers (if you have one) and I'll answer all of your questions.
Yes jedijeff13 an A+ for you in math this year. Seldom does our day end in 8 short hours. Business is very good.
Charline

Charline · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:57 pm Subject:

Jedijeff13, if you did call today I wasn't there. I don't work from the office on Fridays. I'd be happy to speak with you next week however.

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