refusing to sign

Has anyone ever had a problem with sending out CMRRR, and getting the letter returned-signature refused?

What did you do, and how did you go around the obstacle to get proof of your letter being mailed?

If this statement is being made towards any company in which Ellis, Crosby and Associates has started in WY, the registered agent is just a company that solicits companies so the company does not have to go to that state to register. They will refuse to sign for anything pertaining to any companies that are registered that way. Legally they can.

I wasn't directing my question towards any collection agency in particular. However I am fully aware of the tactics Ted Crosby is currently doing.

I was merely inquiring about what someone has done in a situation where the company refused all certified mail, and have the mail sent back. Doesn't that automatically put the ball in the debtors court?

Regards-
Mike

Refusal is a kind of response too! If the letter returns as signature refused, I can claim that I tried to contact them but they refused my proposal. Won't that give me a legal ground?

Stanley

That's what I'm trying to find out though, is about the legal standing for refusing CMRRR. If I've already been told that they don't accept certified mail, but will gladly accept FedEx...doesn't that mean I have to still follow behind them with a smurk on my face?

I've had this happen to me. I resent the letter and they accepted it the second time. It's a good question though.

as I understand it, it really doesn't matter that they refuse to sign, the important thing is attempting to deliver/notify.

Remember that in a court (civil) it is a preponderance of the evidence.. saying i never received anything versus documentation that eigther yes they did or I tried and it was refused.. which carries moer weight? the documented attempt and refusal does.... You can also send a letter priority without requiering signature, but you still get proof of delivery. again, this is really all you need

It would sure seem like it Mikey! From everything that I have read, it does. They are turning down your attempt to correspond with them on a debt. Hold on to the letter to prove it was sent, that you tried and they refused to accept it. If you want to resend it as Mishele said she did, just to see if they'll accept it the second time, go ahead but hold on to the first one. And if the second one is refused, then you have doubled your proof. shirley

I agree with JJ.

Mike I have just read the other post of yours. How can a business have such an impractical policy – “We do not accept certified mail, we only accept FedEx”.

Got my letter back today from Sonic. They refused signature. Now I am out for revenge. I vow to not quit til they are done, over with, caput, squashed.

That sucks! I never heard of anyone refusing a certified letter before today with Mikey and now you too!! I know its not that simple, but doesn't it make you want to say hey-I tried to talk to you about this debt-you didn't want to so screw you!?? what games they play!

Tammy I can't believe they refused to sign. They signed mine and I think they've signed others also. Maybe they're figuring out that we know what a bad place they are. I would resend it if I were you and see what happens.

Keep the original refused letter and notice from the USPS. If you want to try to re send as Mishele suggested, send a new letter, in a new envelope, so you have a documented chain of events. Yes, you could also send Fed Ex, UPS, DHL, etc. Even if they refuse to sign you have access to a delivery confirmation. Its all a matter of how paranoid you want to be, and how much you are willing to spend. There is even a website(might be a collection agency, Im not sure yet) that offers a Registered E-mail service for free.

Any one willing to be a guinea pig to receive a mail from this system to see how and if it actually works? IF there are any takes, send me a PM with your email address.

ah!!! what a nice sound the mouse makes as you step on its head!! aaah!

Interesting, to say the least! I've got the green card I send to Plaza Associates, in NY. UNsigned and UNdated.
They recieved it, and just sent the card back without providing any information.

Never did check with P/O on that, but think I might make the inquiry anyway. Just to see what they have to say.

Mikey
Virgina Legal one told me they prefer to send mail that requires such documentation Priority Mail w/ Certification of Mailing and Delivery Confirmation (thus the mailing is self authenticating and backed up by the public record of the USPS). This method is slightly more expensive than CMRR, but still less than $5.00. Whats more, since Delivery Confirmation does not require a signature (unless requested) the recipient doesn't have the option to refuse it.

In most cases the post office simply makes a record of the day and time the mail was delivered to the intended recipient. This information is traceable through the post office website.

If you choose continue using CMRR, then you need to save the refused letter and all associated documentation as evidence you are attempting to resolve or otherwise contact the Creditor or Collection agency, and they are actively blocking your attempts.