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Replied on 05-30-2008, 09:46 PM

I got the same letter stating a better method for recording calls. Like one previously said it doesnt sound like a scam. Plus I already have been contacted by the credit repair team, and there are section codes that will work to have the remove their negative ratings. So far everything they said they are doing.

This gives me hope. Dont worry I will post my results when I am done, though I think Mike will be the biggest on whether it works. His good reports makes me feel more at ease. But to be honest the patriot movement has allot of their act together, and just because there are scams on debt cancelations doesnt mean FDRS is a scam, to be honest there are TONs of debt consolidation and settlemnt companies that are scams but not all are. The only difference is the BANKS LIKE them and wouldnt like FDRS if they TRULY do work.

Thats only common sense, its in their best interest to keep it a secret if there is a way to cancel debt using the LAW. I think what I see most is people get scared or dont like the message of the BIG Government theme, and hence leave and doing so make things worse for themselves.

Mobile I will post my trail on this and I HOPE you wont say I work for FDRS if it does work. lol I know you wont if it doesnt.

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Sub: #274 hope this helps
Replied on 06-02-2008, 08:10 AM

i went through a company that was a lot of help they helped me reduce my debts from 51,250.00 down to about 12,500 they were also very nice i think the website was w w w . state farms financial .or g

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Sub: #275 fdrs scam
Replied on 06-02-2008, 10:05 AM

me and my girlfriend were in the fdrs program for 3 months.we hardly ever heard from them,and when we did make contact with them it was a joke.one of her accounts(my girlfriend)sent a letter to be sued.
we contacted the fdrs they sent us paperwork from the (ccdn) to fill out and bring to the courts.i asked the fdrs to send me copies of what they are supposed to be sending to our creditors and they told me they cant,lol.i told them im paying you ,your using my name on the paperwork and you say i cant see whats being sent out.so i asked if i could speak to the guy who signed us up.they told me no,lol.
thay said he moved to another department.i had words with them.they were very rude to me and hung up.what they did'ny know is that i had gotten friendly with the guy who signed us up so i called him on his cell phone and told him and asked him whats going on.he told me he quit that morning because he had lots of questions for the owner(mark cella)he was uneasy about the way they were conducting their business.he basicly told me they were a scam company and that he did'nt know and that he felt bad about all the people he had signed into the company who lost money.my loss was(2,600.00)since than i cancelled my program with them about a week and a half ago and they have not even called me to ask why.this company is a fraud this guy is a crook. we all work hard for our money ,lets just not give it away to scum like this that rip off hard working people.another funny thig i can still call the company today and ask for the guy who signed me up and they will tell me the same thing,that he 's in another department and that i cant speak to him. he's been gone for about 3 to 4 weeks.oh before i left the company they left a message on my machine telling me the name of my new rep.when i told the ex employee he said noone by that name works there. just warning everyone who looks in to this company ,stay away.

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Replied on 06-02-2008, 10:45 AM

I'm a little confused...I have been in the program for 6 months and i still haven't encountered any of that...How in the world did that happen in only 3 months??? The creditors haven't even moved in that direction yet and I haven't paid them for over 7 months...What was your first rep's name? Mine left as well...

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Replied on 06-02-2008, 11:01 AM

By the way...if I had trade secrets that worked, and I knew they would be copied if I showed them to anyone, I wouldn't release them either! I don't blame them for not giving me or you a copy. However, one of my creditors did reference a letter they received from me (really FDRS) and they said they were responding to it (still haven't received it 2 months later)...so I know they are sending them!

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Replied on 06-02-2008, 12:27 PM

Yes same here, I had the creditors both respond one in writing another with calls about the letters that were sent. so they do send the letters. plus they seem to keep copies of all the documents for the legal team, I think that is why you fax all docs to them.

I know a person should keep a record of all your letters anyway which should be enough as the letters FDRS send probably arent anything too big, its the legal dept that is what will work or not. imo

I am about 4 months in the program, and havent had the problem at all either, My rep is still there and imo is a honest patiot, infact everyone I spoke to there was a patriot.

I have no idea if the program works, I assume that if it didnt after about 2 years if not more ofbeing in business that the BBB would be loaded with alot more complaints than it is. There are lots in the patriot movement and I am sure a LARGE number have used or is using this program. I owuld have NEVER heard of FDRS if it wasnt for a trusted site, so I THINK a few people who know NOTHING of whats going on sign on get scared or dont believe the info and then leave.

I also think Reps are out there for the Banks and collection agencies which sometimes are the banks (lol) that want to stop this movement and also the knowledge that what the banks are doing is ILLEGAL by Federal laws.

Some good downloadable movies I watched that Helped on Google were.

The Money Masters
Loose Change second edition
Police State 1,2,3
Terrorstorm

While one may not agree with everything it does paint a pretty Grim picture of whats going on and does explain some of the behavior of the BANKS, CORPS, and GOVERNMENT over the past few decades.

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Sub: #279 It Figures
Replied on 06-02-2008, 04:41 PM

Haven't checked the board in a long time but now this board is ranked above FDRS'S OWN WEBSITE on google. The stench is rising to the top. So I am looking through all of what is now 20 pages, and I see that the shills can still not keep up with the critics. I know who they are because I USED TO WORK THERE TOO. Everyone who has been suspected of being a shill on here used to work there because everyone there sounds the same! The leader is a paranoid megalomaniac with a Mussolini complex and he is trying to find a group he can brainwash. Now read those last two lines again. The feds are after him. They are about to be sued left and right. This is no joke.

Also, some of the names, like Willy, who works in client care now (but used to be a rep) are similar. LAST POST EVER do not contact me I am not registered.

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Replied on 06-02-2008, 04:41 PM

Haven't checked the board in a long time but now this board is ranked above FDRS'S OWN WEBSITE on google. The stench is rising to the top. So I am looking through all of what is now 20 pages, and I see that the shills can still not keep up with the critics. I know who they are because I USED TO WORK THERE TOO. Everyone who has been suspected of being a shill on here used to work there because everyone there sounds the same! The leader is a paranoid megalomaniac with a Mussolini complex and he is trying to find a group he can brainwash. Now read those last two lines again. The feds are after him. They are about to be sued left and right. This is no joke.

Also, some of the names, like Willy, who works in client care now (but used to be a rep) are similar. LAST POST EVER do not contact me I am not registered.


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Replied on 06-02-2008, 08:03 PM

Thanks helpfulone for the helpful info that only further backs what I have been saying . FDRS is a scam !!!!

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Replied on 06-02-2008, 11:23 PM

mobile, why do you thank "helpfulone for the helpful info..."??? What was so helpful about that rant? All it was was more conjecture and opinion. Please!

And to be honest, I'm surprised at you. First of all, the Minnesota Bar does not WRITE anything. Members might write articles but the bar in incapable of doing so. Was this piece published in a bar journal? If so, which one? To be honest, hat article could have been published by anyone, anywhere. Even by your company, for instance. Plus, if the author really is a lawyer, his writing skills made me thankful he practices in Minnesota.

As you hopefully know by now, I do some research on occasion. I googled "Michael D. Johnson", "Michael D. Johnson Minnesota", "Michael D. Johnson Lawyer". Found a bunch of people by that name.

But I found no one who is an expert in credit/financial law.

I did find one one estate lawyer, but would he have expertise on credit card law. I apologize for not digging deeper but I tend to fade out after digging through 5 or 6 pages of google links and coming up empty, which is what happened here.

The one case cited in your paste job, Alcorn and Allen v. Washington Mutual Bank, had to do with a mortgage, NOT credit debt. Hence, mortgages do not qualify for the fdrs program.

The rest of the article deals with practices that fdrs does not allow. Yet you go on with your missive "company's like FDRS" (check your plural tense vs apostrophe use there).

Research, people. Just dig a little.

And rangersfan, by "rangersfan", I'm guessing you mean the texas rangers, because you sound kind of like them. Never a winning season.

Lets go Jets!!!


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Replied on 06-03-2008, 08:21 AM

Here is another article written exposing the FDRS debt termination scam



How do you like those apples Willy ? Unlike you I actually post on other subjects trying to help other people with debt issues. All you seem to do is just argue in the defense of the scammers at FDRS. You have not made a single other post here to contribute to helping other people with debt problems. NOT ONE. All you do is argue about an industry you know nothing about since you supposedly don`t work for them and also since they supposedly have such super secret way of doing things. Give it a rest. I have done a ton of research on the subject of Debt Termination and there is a reason the FTC doesn`t recognize it as legit. They are telling people to be patriotic by arguing that they didn`t actually owe the debt and they should not repay the banks. The are spouting conspiracy theory garbage. Thats called FRAUD. Thats why the banks don`t like Debt Termination scams because its fraud.They are telling people be unethical and immoral by not attempting to repay what they borrowed. All that does is get them sued. There is no magic pill that you can take to make the debt go away. FDRS preys on desperate people looking for an easy way out.

By the way why would you insult someone who might be a Rangers fan because they are horrible. Besides they may also be a New York Rangers hockey fan. Either way you have no room to talk. Especially when you are a Jets fan. They have only won a single Super Bowl EVER and that was way back in 1969 when Joe Willie Namath was their QB. Their record last year of 4-12 was a joke , just like FDRS.

Oh and by the way the owner of FDRS Mark Cella used to own another company who had a F rating with the BBB called CAREFREE DEBT, INC. and it had registered the dba “Federal debt relief System” until 2007. On 5/22/07, there’s a FDRS dba filing for:

William Kelley (Trustee)
Frank W McGinnis
2915 W. Charleston Blvd. Las Vegas, NV 89147

However, it wasn’t published and is probably void. The reason I’m posting it here is because Kelly and McGinnis are or at least were involved.

On 5/26/07, Mark Cella filed another dba for FDRS:

Mark A Cella
5426 N Dubonnet Ave
San Gabriel, CA 91776 (this appears to be a home address, at least it’s not a private mail service.)

Is it just me is does this seem just a little shady ?

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Replied on 06-03-2008, 05:39 PM

it was not conjecture and opinion. Check out my previous posts wayyyy near the beginning. It was fact. I used to work there. Dammit Willy you made me repost.
Mobile is on the right track, as well. The point is, the program works, and I KNOW it does, but the company and the people behind it are shady! There are other companies out there that process through these attorneys and others that use this method! Stay away from FDRS and find someone else to do the program for you!

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Replied on 06-03-2008, 09:42 PM

Oye. Helpfulone, you confuse me. You say the program works but advise people to stay away? Yikes!!! NOT very helpful, I would say.

Total U.S. consumer revolving debt reached $904 billion in June 2007, up from $879 billion at the end of 2006 (Source: Federal Reserve).

Now add mortgages and other secured debt (automobile loans, for instance). Please tell me, mobie, where did the banks get that money to loan? From deposits? From cash on hand? The US government has not created that much money.

If you or I tried to make $$ out of thin air like the banks do, we would be in jail.

"How do you like those apples Willy?" Sounds like I touched a raw nerve, mobie. I did notice that you didn’t say anything to defend your last shady post yet you did whine about what I’d said about rangersfan. Strange.

"Unlike you I actually post on other subjects trying to help other people with debt issues. All you seem to do is just argue in the defense of the scammers at FDRS. You have not made a single other post here to contribute to helping other people with debt problems. NOT ONE."
Please pay attention, mobie. I said this before, at least twice –(I'll say it again, v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-ly... just for you) I am not here to offer advice, because I don’t know enough about $$, otherwise I wouldn’t be on this site. I came looking for advice, not clients (like others pushing their company’s solutions [mobie, for instance]).

I saw an ad about this company. It sounded a bit farfetched. So I looked up FDRS on google. I found this forum and this string in that search. I was surprised by the amount of fact-free rants and flying opinions so I did some not-so-deep research into what people were posting. Most if not all of what I read proved that it is easy to be negative without the facts, the way politicians throw out sound bites for people to believe, not matter how false.

“Thats why the banks don`t like Debt Termination scams because its fraud.” Are you serious? If you really are in the credit business, you know better than that.

Banks sell off loans as soon as they feel they are uncollectable. They then write off the loss that they sold it for (tax benefits) and they come out ahead of the game (they’ve usually collected years of interest, rates of which they can legally raise, often for whatever reason they want to- there are plenty of horror stories of this practice).

Here's a fair way to tackle the debt problem: Give people hope that they can pay off their debt. You do this by limiting the interest rates banks can charge (a point or 2 over the rate the Fed charges teh banks), eliminate the deceptive fees banks are allowed to charge, and cut that small print/twisted english crap that banks use. And STOP allowing banks to give credit cards to people who have credit trouble.

The way it is now, the rules favor the big boys with all the money and power. But then again, maybe you like it that way. It's what keeps food on your table.

And leave the JETS alone. They are consistently one of the worst organizations in professional sports, which make them the best at being the worst.


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Replied on 06-03-2008, 10:20 PM

That last post was mine - site said I was logged in on one page but when I went to write/post that, it showed me as "guest".

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Replied on 06-04-2008, 08:13 AM

Here is yet another article discussing how Debt Termination is a scam. Hopefully this will help prevent those of you out there from getting scammed from FDRS. The definition of Fraud = deliberate deception or cheating intended to gain an advantage. When you borrow money from a bank and you try to claim that you don`t owe the money that is fraud. I'll say it again, v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-ly . I used to work in the Credit Card industry and we sued people for fraud when they tried to pull that "no money lent garbage ". If you or I tried to make $$ out of thin air like the banks do, we would be in jail. Uh duh , thats why the banking industry is heavily regulated and you must have a banking license to be allowed to do so. Just like some one could go to jail for practicing law or medicine without a license. Sorry but the law is on the side of the banks whether you conspiracy theorists like it or not. Willy have you even read the contracts for FDRS ? I have.They charge a fee of 30 % of the debt they are handling , plus a $25 dollar monthly fee. Here is the kicker. Approximately 20 % of this service fee amount will be paid upon acceptance into the program service. Gee I wonder why they want most of the fees up front. Ummmm ...could it be because FDRS wants most the money before the client realizes they are being conned out of their hard earned money.


Willy ,I am sorry you don`t believe my last article I posted but yes it was real.
Official Publication of the Minnesota State Bar Association
Vol. 61, No. 3 | March 2004

Here is the website so you can read em and weep.

www2.mnbar.org/benchandbar/2004/march04/internet_scams.htm

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Replied on 06-04-2008, 02:15 PM

OK let me be a little more clear. FDRS does NOT do all of the program themselves! They out source to a network of attorneys that get people out of debt. The attorneys are the ones who are 100% successful. LOOK FOR THEM THEY ARE OUT THERE JUST GOOGLE.


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