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Replied on 11-21-2008, 07:21 AM
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Keep in mind Just curious that Allegro Law IS HESS KENNEDY as is Americorp so be careful. You are taking a chance with SCAM artists. Make no mistake with that important fact so maybe you should rethink your position. In the end you could lose big.

What are the fees that you are paying?

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Sub: #114 this company is a scam watch out!!!
Replied on 11-21-2008, 08:18 AM
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they really screwed my bank account up. i have 300.00 dollars worth of bank nsf charges because they took out the wrong amount. i would be very afraid.

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just curious, you are beign scammed. What are they charging you for their "debt management"? What are their fees? How much interest are they taking? Can you even answer these questions?

Don't be fooled by their pretty websites either. Ed knows his stuff in web development, he got his start at iBill, he was their internet guy there, until they fired him. He knows how to put up forms for you to enter your personal information, he does it in his sleep.

You want to know what else is fishy? Allegro only corresponds with you over the phone. Why? Why can't they disclose any information (their terms, their contract, their fees) PUBLICLY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

I'll tell you why: because there's NO ACCOUNTABILITY once they get you on the phone! This is exactly what happened to me with Hess Kennedy.

My Story:

I enrolled with HK (Hess Kennedy) in the summer of 2005. My debt was one creidt card to the tune of ~$4500. I went with the first decent looking website I found on the internet (CCCOA), and filled out my info. I was contacted by phone that day by a guy who asked me how much debt I had and told me I could pay it off for $120. He also told me the ONLY FEES would be the first month's payment I made...

He (can't remeber his name now) always contacted me from a CT phone number. I called him on a few occaisions whenever a new debt collector would call me. He would always assure me that, "Hess Kennedy chews up debt collectors, and spits them out! You tell them you're with Hess Kennedy, an international law firm!"

Well I did that for about a year and a half. All the while the calls from the debt collector kept coming, and I kept ignoring.

After having paid HK for two years, I called to find out the status of my account/settlement/whatever. Now in the mean time, I was notified that my "account executor" had changed, to a Sierra F. (I'll be curtious and not post her last name). So I called her, she reviewed my records and said that I had plenty of money in escro, and that she was going to settle my account within the next couple of weeks.

I was very glad to hear that. Well, that same week, a debt collector contacted me, saying they would settle my debt for 33% of what I owed! So I called Sierra back, thinking she would appreciate the offer...

Sierra yelled at me. Told me she never said she was going to settle my account, that I STILL hadn't paid all the FEES to HK. blah blah blah. It was the ugliest phone conversation I ever had.

A few weeks later, I got a letter. My "executor" was once again switched to an Alexandra. lol. Funny, alexandra sounded exactly like sierra on the phone.

By this time, I emailed alexandra, sierra, and every other HK email address I could get. I asked them to show me the account where my money was. I asked them to furnish me a copy of my contract. I asked them to only reply to me by email since there was no accountability of their employees once they got on the phone.

Their reply was always, "Please call (XXX)XXX-XXXX, and we will gladly assist you."

If any of this rings a bell with any of you, perhaps similar things are happening, going on right now with you and the company you chose to deal with. Stop paying them immediately! They are doing NOTHING for you! Please, please, please, I beg you to do the smart thing, do what your gut is telling you, BREAK ALL TIES WITH THESE SCAMMERS!

You know why they always have a lawyer attached to their scam? Because they feed on your feelings toward the debt collectors. Oh yea, the debt collectors are bad, they're violating your rights, blah blah blah. You know what? It only pisses debt collectors off most of the time!

Why bother with a lwayer? Their disclaimers on their websites say plain as day, not to take what's on their site as "legal advice" or "legal cousel". Why? Becasue they're doing NOTHING for you!

Their layers sometimes send out the smoke and mirror letters (at best), to your creditors/collectors with the same consumer rights crap. Big whoop! You don't need some scammer of a lawyer to tell you that! That information is freely available! Yes, you have rights! Yes, you can negotiate directly with your creditors/collectors!

You're better off going to see a fincancial advisor, pay a small consultation fee and have them help you with a budget. That $100 or so would probably go a lot further, and you won't be pissing your creditors off in the process!

And yes, it pisses creditors off. They pissed Chase off so bad, Chase sued them, and won!

Your creditors are just as likely to sue you, keep calling you, etc. They do NOTHING for you!

just curious, you say they negotiated your capitol one down from 195 to 126? You couldv'e done that yourself! You didn't need a "lawyer" to do that for you. So again, how much is allegro charging you to do something you can do yourself?

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Debt 101:

Q. If your accounts have gone to collections, what exactly does that mean?

A. It means your original creditor cut their losses by selling off the account to a "collection farm" likely for a 1/3 of the original debt owed.

Q. What is a "collection farm"?

A. A collection farm is the greater network of "collection agencies." A collection farm is the company who purchased your account from your original collector. The idea is that if you had a card from XYZ Bank, XYZ Bank got some money from the collection farm, thus minimizing what they had to write off at the end of the year. Now the collection farm may have 1 or many "collection agencies" contact you in attempts to collect the debt. These collection agencies work on commision. Remember, your debt was purchased for about 1/3 of the original debt, so anything they get over that is just bonus for them. Different collection agencies have different guidelines that they will follow. One collection agency might only settle for 25% more than the 1/3 of the original debt, another might settle for 10% more. It's up to them.

Q. What effect does this have on my credit rating?

A. It has very real and very negative effects on your credit rating.

Q. What should I do?

A. If you're debt has gone to collections, let 1/3 the debt owed be your starting point for negotiations. It's a lot like buying a car at this point. You might not be able to negotiate down to 1/3. These collection agencies want to take a payment, often, they'll take anything, because it's better than nothing, and also it depends on their commission, guidelines, etc. You know how much you can afford. Budget yourself. Paying off your debt should be a top priority, but you can't go broke in the process. Take all your bills into account, what you need to live on, and paying about 1/3 of the original debt owed. Once you have that figure, talk to your creditors/collectors, they will work with you!

This is more sound advice than you will ever get with any debt management/settlement/negotiation company, guranteed!

...and it was free!

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Replied on 11-21-2008, 09:16 AM
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Tom321, did you happen to see my post on John Leaberry of Consel for debt solutions?

Check this out:
wvbar.org/barinfo/general/law%20firm%20pllc%20app.doc

Why would John Leaberry, attorney from West Virginia and attorney for Counsel for Debt Solutions, have a PLLC request notarized in none other than Broward County, FL?

What is the deal with Broward County? It is like the Las Vegas of debt scams?




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Replied on 11-21-2008, 09:33 AM
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Q. If your accounts have gone to collections, what exactly does that mean?

A. It means your original creditor cut their losses by selling off the account to a "collection farm" likely for a 1/3 of the original debt owed.
NO...it means your debt has gone to collections. It does not mean that the OC has sold it. If your reports have the notation "Sold/Transferred to Another Lender" then it has been sold to a junk debt buyer who paid much less than a 3rd of its value.

I would look at SOL before initiating contact with a JDB to negotiate payment. If it's out of statute, you stand a much better chance of negotiating a favorable settlement. If you're still w/in statute, you have no leverage.

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thanks nascar devil, i admittedly know little more than what i posted on these matters.

I think that's what i was trying to say here though, if you look at your credit report you know the difference, right?

I was contacted by multiple collection agencies, but only one company was listed on my credit report. that being the company who bought the account sold by the OC.

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Replied on 11-21-2008, 10:34 AM
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Well guys I am keeping a close eye on my accounts and watching my statements each month which are so far showing that my interest rates have adjusted to what the program said they would and also that my payments are being made.

soHappyNow- I have seen most everything on here about HessKennedy and Tom321 I am keeping a watchful eye on everything and so far things are being paid. Trust me that I am keeping my eyes open. Is is possible though that the debt management is OK? And everyones problems are stemming from the settlement side which is crazy in itself. Alls i know is that i see things ok right now and i have even gotten response letters from My actual creditors letting me know that my proposals have been accepted by my debt management company(have them in a file). I guess i will be a guinea pig until i see things change because i am already signed up. Thank you guys for your thoughts and i will keep you posted.

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Trust me i am not trying to turn around what you all are saying. I am just saying that so far things are going as they said they would and sorry i forgot to mention that they are charging a 59 monthly fee and which even with the fee my monthly payments dropped about a month which was enough help for me. I didnt research before i signed up and now that i am and proposals have been accepted i would hate to redo everything. I will like i said keep my eye open. I mean i dont expect to just stop looking at my statements. Nothing is just a walk away system.
Thanks guys i will keep you posted. I am just hoping that there is some good.

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I truly hope for your sake that everything is fine. Keep records of EVERYTHING! Your initial contract, welcome packet, anything and everything you've been sent in the mail, email correspondance, keep track of your phone calls to these guys (write down the date, time, and summary of what was discussed). That way if anything does go wrong, you have everything you need. Then take your info to the BBB and the AG's office.

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Will Do and i am doing that as you mentioned anyway. I just like to believe that maybe somethings work ok and that people and companies learn there lessons. You can do much better being a good company versus a bad one and get shut down. Like i said though from someone that is currently enrolled with them if anything changes or goes array i will update all this and let everyone know. Until then though everything is going as explained. Keep you updated and once again thanks for insight.

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Who is John Leaberry?

And Just Curious who are you paying? Allegro or the CC itself?

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John Leaberry is the attorney for Counsel for debt solutions. COunsel for Debt Solutions is eerily similar to Hess Kennedy and Allegro in the way their business is set up.

1. Leaberry was taking money from Paul Kizer (back in the mid 80's) who owned like 40 or so coal mining operations in West Virginia. LEaberry at the time sat on the tax, and workers comp boards for coalminers at the time. WEll, Governor Moore was also taking money from Kizer. When a federal investigation started, leaberry sqealed on Moore who served jail time and was disgraced.

2. No record of leaberry between 1990 and 2000.

3. A Daniel Mahanger is listed as the registered agent on Leaberry's new Law Firm (which back Cousnel for Debt Solutions) Leaberry's law firm supposedly operates out of WV, but there is no registered law firm with leaberry's name on it registered in WV.

4. Mahanger registerd leaberry's law firm out of none other than Broward County FL. But there's absolutely no leaberry law firm address in FL either.

5. Just like all of Cherry's business which have an address listed at some apartment complex, Mahanger's LLCs have addresses all listed at private homes.

6. Another name on the registered agent for these guys is a Guy E. Whitesman. Whitesman and Mahanger seem to have some vested interest in real estate and land aquistion in FL. Which makes me wonder how they have time to be involved in debt management.

They are a very strange company, and obviously leaberry is scum. People are complaining about these guys in these forums too. It just has HK written all over it...

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This thread is now the first google hit when you google "Allegro Law", sucks for Allegro! LOL!

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Replied on 11-24-2008, 12:08 PM
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Holy crap soHappyNow, you are digging deep bro......LOL. What did Mr. Cherry have for dinner last night.....LOL.

What else do you have bro?

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Sub: #128 KENNETH BYRNES
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KENNETH BYRNES IS $6.00 AN HOUR TELEMARKETER NOW UNEMPLOYED LOOKING FOR WORK. CAN ANYBODY HELP?




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