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Sub: #65
Replied on 11-21-2008, 11:31 AM

LOL

Q.1 A. That whole sentence is so wrong and I won't waste my time debating it. Changed correspondence address.......Please.

Q.2 A. Everyone knows sometimes CA's don't follow the law. They find legal loop holes. Just like what CMS is TRYING to do. Give me a break.

Q.3 A. THAT"S the SCAM. YOU are completely unaware of what is going on. But when they come for YOU, YOU won't know it.

Q.4 A. YES it can be done without your knowledge. It happens all the time. If YOU are running away and don't know what's going on....BECAUSE.....YOU changed correspondence address.

Q.5 A. Again why debate a simple fact and common knowledge.

It's not fear tactics genius it's the truth. There is nothing to be scared of. At least that's my view. It's not your life, it's just money. Now there are WAYS for YOU to side step third party CA's but you have to start from day one when they contact you. And It just might cost you some money to do it.

No I have not researched the CMS process extensively. Never said that I did. But the BS you state in statement number 1 is just that. BS. So it makes me wonder about the whole thing if that's the process. All I said is debt elimination does not exist. And it DOESN'T. Now you can peddle whatever BS you want and believe whatever BS you want. I TRULY don't care. But I know what I'm talking about and I know it to be 100% correct.

changed correspondence address.......LOL. What garbage.

So.....tell me in great detail what makes NOVATION legal? I have my Fair Debt Collections Practices Act booklet handy. Tell me the exact laws that permit this. Code #'s and everything. Humor me........please.

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Sub: #66
Replied on 11-21-2008, 12:18 PM

Why can't I find Integrity debt solutions in sunbiz.org? It says that's where they are from.

Why can't I find CMS is Alabama Division of corporations?

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Sub: #67 would like to talk to some of you that are in the process
Replied on 11-25-2008, 07:40 AM

i am in the process as of early Oct. I never recieved anything with a phone number. I have gotten emails back from Terry with answers to my questions. The only concern I have is that there have been no payments to the creditors of the checks I sent with the minimums +43 dollars. It's been about 6 weeks for the first few cards I sent down. I am still getting phone calls from one creditor.

I also got a certified letter from this creditor stating that they are going to proceed with legal action if I don't bring my account to date by 11/23/2008. Obviously I have not done so according to CMS. Should I be worried? The account balance on this personal loan is $9,000. Any advice?

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Sub: #68
Replied on 11-25-2008, 05:41 PM

Yes......you should be very worried. Quit paying them and ask for a refund. Report them to the FTC, BBB and the AG. debt elimination does not exist. Get your accounts up to date and start from there. The money you gave them you could have given to your creditors.

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Sub: #69 Refund and Legal Proceedings CMS
Replied on 12-01-2008, 04:39 AM

fresh1347,

Any updates? When is the pre trial meetings, court dates? I am figuring it has been a week since the deadline date given on your certified letter and if they were that anxious to start legal proceedings they would of already notified you?

I think 6 weeks past due on an account is extreme to start legal proceedings, they must be on the forefront of these companies becoming more aggressive. Ask Tom321, but I thought industry standard was 6 months at the point they usually charge the account and at that point decide either to sue or sell the account to a CA?

Did you take Tom321 advice, did you get your refund and report them? Did CMS refund you, what did they say?
I was going to enroll with CMS but Tom 321 seems to be an expert in this field and has me worried about enrolling?

The best to you and goodluck

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Sub: #70
Replied on 12-01-2008, 06:35 AM

Well...I'm not an expert in this field but thanks for thinking that.=) I just took the time to look up what is really going on in this industry. You can too by just surfing the net to find answers to your questions. The net is a beautiful thing in that regards. If you look up debt elimination on the net you will see EVERYONE say that it does not exist. The CMS plan is so flawed and complete over hyped theories.

But yes fresh1347, what happened? And what did you decide to do?

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Sub: #71 Tom321 is awesome
Replied on 12-01-2008, 07:43 AM

Tom321,

I really would like to go with these guys though, but you know what they about too good to be true. Where on the internet did you find info that the CMS plan is flawed or even about the financial industry in general? I am trying to do my own due diligence and maybe find a true path to take.

Anyway, thanks for your immense amount of info in previous post and your time.
One last question, who was the consumer lawyer you retained I would love to speak with someone on the forefront of this industry.

Thanks again,

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Sub: #72
Replied on 12-01-2008, 09:00 AM

This is how I started. First get the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act booklet and read it from front to back to get an idea of what they can and can not do. Then any question you want to know type it in the google box and go. Your answer will show up on the page somewhere. It takes a lot of time and effort. I spent hours looking up this stuff. Mostly for what pertained to me.

As far as CMS, I looked up debt elimination on google. I found a ton of info on it. Then look up novation and what it is. But think about this, if this was true wouldn't CMS be the BE ALL AND END ALL of credit problems. Everyone would be doing it. Why settle if you can pull the novation game? CMS would be nationally known by everyone. That's one hell of a trick they are trying. When you learn a little of the ins and outs of the industry you learn to spot BS.

As far as who I talked to. I wouldn't give out any names. These jerks would love to find out who I am. So far they are way off. I'll keep that to myself so I'm not linked to anyone. I don't have or back a horse in this race so I'm completely neutral. One Lawyer and I spoke for a hour on various BS. Just use the internet and put in a consumer lawyer search in your area or state. A whole list of names will come up. Just start calling and ask for a free consultation. They will assist you and ask questions for yourself. Or to make it easier on you use the NACA to find one close to you. I just goolged away and found plenty.

Good luck

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Sub: #73
Replied on 12-01-2008, 09:19 AM

Also, these surrogates and mopes in this site are liars and cheats make no mistake but I still look into the stuff they say. Sometimes I've found that they were telling the truth or variations of the truth. You can also learn that way. Question everything and always look into things for yourself. The only person you can TRULY trust in this world is YOU.

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Sub: #74 Great point...
Replied on 12-01-2008, 09:54 AM

Wow Tom321,

more great advice.

First step, need to contact a consumer lawyer asap

Thanks a million

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Sub: #75 Interested, Concerned
Replied on 12-02-2008, 07:09 AM

Fresh1347, any word? updates?

I am assuming the cc company did not follow through with legal action, at this point. I would think this was a tactic to get you to pay, if this didn't work on to another until eventually they realize further action needs to be taken.

I would think these cc companies have so many deliquent accounts, about 5% of their accounts are toxic (source:MSN moneycentral; Wall Street Journal), they would not have enough resources to proceed with legal proceedings on every account 30-60 days late.

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Sub: #76
Replied on 12-03-2008, 07:56 PM

I'm really glad that I found this conversation... I've been struggling all month with the ethics of these legal gymnastics and from what I'm reading on here, there are just too many red flags. I'm not taking the bait.

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Sub: #77
Replied on 12-05-2008, 04:59 AM

If this was the only conversation you used for due diligence I am not too sure what your other research could of consisted of. This post is only filled with nay sayers without one ounce of proof that CMS is a scam. They write "as if this true", do not understand the program and scream debt elimination does not exist. No debt elimination exists in terms of sending a legal letter, promissory note or what have you presented to the bank. But when you create novation (which in itself is a legal term) and they rack up penalty fees the debt is offset. Not eliminated ....... offset. So if the creditors want to sue, you do not go into court screaming no money lent, money does not exist , I sent them a promissory note that relieved me of my obligations, you state the facts.

The facts are: I sent a cheque that implictly stated that by cashing this cheque you agree and accept the terms and conditions attached. This was sent to the customer care centre, not to the mass mailing payment centre. I cannot be held accountable that the customer care agent did not believe this novation/ assignment to be valid. Therefore counter sue for the penalty fees that have been applied by CMS, which is typically higher than your alleged debt balance.

But you see, creditors see this all before it gets to a trial, when CMS calls them on the penalty fees at the 7-8 month mark, they realize the burden of proof is not absolute.

This is not debt elimination, although it has been promoted as so, your debt is offset by the creditors negligence of their responsibility and performance. If they follow YOUR rules, the debt will be paid eventually. No fraud, no tricks, just an understanding that banks abuse people and threaten to try to make you think they are above the law. The sloppiness in the system and ego is what makes this program work.

These legal gymnastics are a simple dismount compared to the floor routine of deception the banks and lenders have performed on us for years all in the name of profits.

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Sub: #78
Replied on 12-08-2008, 01:57 PM

Right,right,right....the banks have been ripping us off for years so what do we do? Get a credit card, sign a contract, run up a bill, don't pay it. Let it sit and then tell the creditor that I'll pay you on MY terms not yours when I already broke the contract I signed. All because I told you on the back of a check I sent you and you cashed it, therefore making the previous contract I signed with you null & void........LOL.

Is anyone buying this?

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Sub: #79 Who is Tom321?
Replied on 12-09-2008, 10:39 PM

I don't know if this is legit or not, but it seems to me that Tom is spending an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to debunk this. Why is this Tom?

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Sub: #80
Replied on 12-10-2008, 07:15 AM

Perception is subjective. Not a lot of time at all. In fact it's quite minimum.


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