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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:55 am Subject: Dem debates

hey, all. Did anyone see the democrat debates the other night? I'm glad it was civil, but Hillary really wouldn't stop about her health care plan. I totally agree that our current health care system sucks, but I'm not sure about universal health care. Maybe we should really look at how it's working out for those other countries that already have it, and see what problems they have before jumping in ourselves. Like in England...the parliament there had to make a mandate that people would wait no more than 4 hours to see a doctor in the hospital. So, instead, they do this "patient-stacking". That's where they keep people waiting outside in the ambulance for hours, then move them inside. That's when their 4 hour clock starts ticking. Because of this, there was a boy with leukemia that died. His doctor needed an ambulance to transport the boy to another facility, and had to wait 2 hours because all of the ambulances were tied up at hospitals patient-stacking. Because of the wait, the boy died. SAD! Anyway, I just thought it would be interesting to see what others had to say about the debates....

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:00 pm Subject:

I am not a big Michael Moore fan, but watch the movie Sicko. Talks about domestic healthcare and universal healthcare, including in the UK, where I have lived.

Some of the stories about the US healthcare will make you cry....including a little girl who died because Kaiser wouldnt cover her emgergency respiratory care at an ER in another hospital because her mother didnt call to have it approved ahead of time.

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:01 pm Subject:

...but not to go off the original I unfortunately did not see the debates.

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:32 pm Subject:

What did you think of the health care system in the UK when you lived there?

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:34 pm Subject:

Excellent....When I lived in Panama, they also have universal and it was great.

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:39 pm Subject:

Hmm..sounds like I need to do more personal research on all this. Smile

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:48 pm Subject:

When I moved to the US, and acquired medical insurance via my job, major culture shock for me that I couldnt walk into a clinic and get a prescription without red tape.

There are pros and cons to both private and universal.
If you see Sicko, they even go to Cuba on a boat with post 9/11 firefighters and heros that couldnt get all of their ailments covered here in the US. People that ran into the buildings to help.

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:42 am Subject: Yikes!

Not to hijack this thread, but health care is a real hot button issue for me right now! For obvious reasons. I've been without medical insurance for well over a year now.

I really think we all have some tough choices to make this election year, though. I do want to remind everyone that you do need to get out and vote! Not telling you who to vote for, just to get out and vote!

And please, vote the issues. Not for who has the sleaziest campaign add slamming their opponent. Those really gripe my behind! If they presented their stances properly and clearly, they wouldn't need to trash their opponents in order to, hopefully, get more votes.

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:49 am Subject: reply

ron you are on it.get out and vote,sadly i have been keeping up with both parties.it seems that there is a lot of posturing.that is how it goes unfortunatley,i hope no matter who succeeds W,will do right for this great country of ours.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:47 pm Subject:

Keep your eyes open and watch the results of the Ohio and Texas primaries today! I live here in Oregon, so I don't think my vote has much worth, but it's interesting to watch everyone else get the treatment from all of the candidates.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:50 pm Subject:

Swedish, EVERY vote has worth!! Ask President Gore!! Very Happy

I have voted in every election I could from the time I was 18 and I am waaaay older than that now, lol, and everytime I cast my ballot, I am reminded of the women who died to give me this right. This is part of the rent we pay as Americans, to vote and to be up on the issues.
And I do see Healthcare as one of the big issues of this campaign. As someone who works in the business, I think we have one of the best systems in the world, but our access is among the poorest in the freeworld. That's a tragedy.
What we need is a candidate with a viable plan for health care for all Americans and a plan to END PAYDAY LOANS!!!

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:56 pm Subject:

And speaking of Payday Loans, remember one thing: Obama is calling for a cap of 36 percent interest on them, while Clinton doesn't have a position. This is one reason while I will be voting for Obama in November.

not a fan of obama · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:25 am Subject:

hopefully, voting for Obama in November won't be an option.

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:12 am Subject:

i didn't realize that about Obama. I don't think I have ever heard any of the candidates talk about their position on payday loans. That's good to hear that Obama has a platform on it. Hey...even after the voting last night, he's still ahead in delegates. Maybe Oregon will matter this time!

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:25 am Subject: reply

i like obama as well,this coming from a republican who voted republican the last 4 elections.i just want a candidate who doesn't engage in games.

Guest · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:42 pm Subject:

instead a candidate who talks and talks and says nothing. Hot air and celebrity does not equal a leader, nor does it stop a recession, end a war or create jobs. Obama is charasmatic, but does he have what it takes....

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