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Official communication with the lawyer representing MMG/RMP

Submitted by Vikas on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 02:07
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A lawyer who represents Risk Management Partners/Miracle Management Group has sent a legal notice to debt consolidation Care. It is regarding a thread in DebtCC forum. They have asked us to impose some restrictions on the forum-

  • Remove aggressive posts and personal information.
  • Ban members who have posted against employees and staffs of MMG/RMP.
  • Revoke the power of posting in forum without getting registered.
  • Lastly, they have asked for the identity of the members who have made such posts which simply against our Privacy Policy.

First letter to us:


Our response:


Members, we need your feedback here.

Regards
Vikas


I feel like it is very irresponsible of the DCC website to leave such malicious posts in existence, if in fact that is the case. Did DCC remove any of the posts that were mentioned in the letter? I personally read through the MMG thread from time to time and find it to be nothing but negative, malicious posts against a company that has not yet had its day in court. I have had no dealings with the group so I am not speaking in support of them. In fact, if what is said in the thread is true, then what they did was atrocious. That said, I realize that when posters make negative and threatening comments, they are probably just venting and do not mean anything by it, but what they are doing is completely inappropriate and unproductive. Therefore, the responsible thing to do would be to remove the posts; it doesn't matter that they are opinions or not. (remember "I pay my bills"?)

As far as disclosing the identity of the members making the posts, in my opinion, absolutely not unless it comes to a point where those records are subpoenaed.

Removing the posts or locking the thread altogether should offer some protection for DCC if this law firm is in fact seriously considering legal action. It would be a shame if this site ever got shut down (I see it help so many), but as with any other forum I have visited and been a member of, malicious posts and disclosure of personal info. are strictly prohibited and it is true that most cannot post without first becoming a member.

Sorry to be so long winded...


Submitted by Rach on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 08:07

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Did you happen to read through all the letters? Freedom of Speech? The only thing that could be considered an attack, would be the one speaking of the child. The rest is from the members, and of which they are all entitled to say what they'd like. It's kind of like protesting. As long as I'm away from the business, I can stand with my sign on the sidewalk for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Regards
Mike


Submitted by Teleport on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 08:12

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Mikey,

I did read carefully through all the letters and I am college educated so I am familiar with Freedom of Speech. (You had absolutely no reason to be nasty about it)

Freedom of speech does not mean that you can make personal attacks on people; i.e. making threats, contract out on the owners, etc. When that line is crossed it becomes assault and I'm sure there were some slanderous posts made as well. I'm sure that MMG's attorneys could use what is on the site and have it shut down or fined or restricted if they care to take on the fight. I love this forum and would hate to see anything happen to make it no longer accessible.

Vikas asked for an opinion and I gave it.


Submitted by Rach on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 08:20

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I was in no way being nasty about it. I'm sorry you took it that way. I'm just trying to give you a clear example about what DCC is trying to do. The post that Miracle is claiming to exist has not been brought to anyones attention yet. If such post exist, why not tell us where it's at?

Regards
Mike


Submitted by Teleport on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 08:24

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Vikas clearly asked in his letter for Gerity/MMG to point out the offensive posts. I don't know if they sent the second letter out before they received Vikas's letter, or if they're choosing to ignore it and trying to make Vikas out to be a bad guy.

The posters in that thread have had thousands of dollars taken from them, and they understandibly want it back. Stress can make a monster out of someone, can't it? I'm not standing up for anyone who threatens someone's life or threatens harm.

I'm willing to help clean up that thread if needed. But I need to know where to start.


Submitted by Jessi on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 08:41

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I think you're right Jess. This company appears to be in so much trouble, that this is the only thing they can allegedly complain about.
I've read every one of those posts, and I feel for those people that have enveloped the trust of this company and now have lost their money.
If they have nothing to worry about, why then have they enlisted lawyer for help? Just because of a few negative posts? Any legit company wouldn't come on here and post, nor would they send letters to DebtCC.
This is a forum for debt management for cryin out loud.
I'll have to agree with a few things Rach posted, there's no reason posters on here should be personally attacking anyone or making bodily threats. It's understandable that they're upset and possibly regretted posting such things.
Vikas...you do what you've got to do. We are humble in your presence and this site has done alot more good than harm.
Just my opinion.


Submitted by erzeke1 on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 09:29

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I Think the company got caught with their pants down,so to speak. Now they have to do something to try to get their business back in the positive light to get new customers. I read all the threads and I,too, think it was alot of really frustrated people venting. While I do not condone violence of any kind,I think alot of this talk is just that.Vikas,I am behind you and DCC,let me know if I can help....Karen


Submitted by Bossy4455 on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 10:07

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I have been following the situation regarding MMG and I think they are on damage control. I have seen nothing more than people stating their situation and how to go about getting their money back. Some have gotten refunds and some have gotten refunds that have bounced. I agree with Bossy, I too think it is all talk to get people to quit exposing their company for what it really is.


Submitted by Not so Lucky on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 10:49

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Vikas;
I agree whole heartedly with your response. I also feel that some of the post in that particular forum may have gone too far at times. over the coming weekend I will go through that thread and see if I can find any offending posts as described by their attorney.

Shortly after the Threat from Riscuity in which they alleged ( but failed to conclusively prove) personal information (name or officers, spouses/ children's name and status, home addresses and phone numbers) was posted, we as a community seemed to agree that that type of information has no place in the forum, and in the future should be moderated.

Given the current overall legal situation the MMG appears to be in (as they are now also facing trial in New Mexico), this forum should be the least of their worries.


Submitted by LCW on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 18:55

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I agree with your response also vikas. It's interesting that he doesn't have time to go through all 150 pages of the thread but he does seem to know about the postings, so who is going through it trying to hide. I, for one, am very glad that I have never been mixed up with that company because if I was and I found or knew about this forum I am sure I would feel the same emotion that some of the posting bear. I feel very bad for those people who have lost thousands of dollars to a couple of people who may have started out to help others but turned it into a "circus." Some of those people I'm sure have lost everything. Keep up the good work around here, we all appreciate the hard work you do!

Sue


Submitted by CycloneFan on Wed, 07/26/2006 - 19:57

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Just in case you are not aware...The FBI is investigating this matter currently. Here is the contact info: Investigative Case Number: 196E-DL-105187
Agency: Federal Bureau of Investigation
Investigative Case Status: Under Investigation
Contact Person: Norma Gonzalez



Phone # (817) 989-3337

Phone # 1-866-365-4968 tell them you have not been assigned to this case as of yet but YOU ARE A VICTIM AS WELL!


Submitted by on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 20:56

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i'm an unregistered guest hiding behind the valances of my shaddowed identity, anyway..has anything materialized from these threat letters? Any more follow up or threats from other agencies? But I must say I wasn't around when these threads were formed, however; threats against individuals in any form should not be taken lightly. Please take an affirmative approach in keeping us all safe-and yes that includes the scumbag debt collectors who probably do not deserve it! Thankyou to everyone who works endlessly in the forums, you're advise and compassion is invaluable to us wh really need it. Bless you gentleman and ladies :)


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