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Submitted by on Thu, 08/07/2008 - 09:47
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Can anyone get me some advice about Oak View Law Group? I know they are credited with BBB, but everytime I call I get a foreign sounding man that I cannot understand answering the phone. I need to sign up for some kind of debt relief and thought this company may be able to help me out. I am so leery of signing through the internet and giving out personal information. I live in Ky and cannot find a local debt settlement office anywhere.


Sorry, Goudah, I didn't realize that telling him to go ahead and do what he keeps implying he can do would be interpreted as an attack. Or if it was the word, troll, that was considered to be an attack, I've certainly seen others on this forum use that word often, so I didn't realize that it would be considered as an attack either.


Submitted by alias1958 on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 12:49

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What is going on here is simple, such figures as mobile and others have leisure to name all the debt settlement companies they want, with out a single name they place on here being deleted. They refer people to debt settlement companies they say are legit, have great BBB rating, etc.

I have never once seen a post by Mobile that specifically advertised a single business including OVLG. If he was going to advertise I suspect it would be for his own business or place of employment and not OVLG. If someone specifically asks about a company then he and others may or may not respond about the company in question and of course one of the responses is going to be XYZ company has a good or bad standing with the BBB depending on that companies status. I personally think the BBB is kind of bogus but giving the BBB standing is still valid until someone actually changes the way the BBB works.


Submitted by DOLLARSandSINCE on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 12:50

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If you want to give advise to people do not mention any names, forbid that kind of garbage from going on. tell people to check with their state and local officials. Maybe if some peole here stopped endorsing certain companies and agencies this discussion would not be going on.

Please make it mandatory not to mention company names, if these people want to continue to work on their referrals have them do it privately!

While I agree that specific companies should not be promoted I do not agree with the mandatory removal of all company names. For example, if someone comes on and asks about a company like U.S. National Bank then many of us will gladly tell you it is garbage.


Submitted by DOLLARSandSINCE on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 12:57

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Also, I've read a lot of Mobile's posts. I've never had the impression that he promotes only one company. He answers questions about specific companies when someone asks about them. He also sometimes lists three or four different companies that he says have good ratings with the BBB (I'm also not a real BBB fan because as a business owner, I know that you have to pay them to be listed; nevertheless, as Dollars pointed out, it is currently a standard that many people use), and are members of TASC or USOBA. When he lists those three or four companies, I'm pretty sure he always tells the person to do their own research and to only use those companies as a possible starting point. I'm not sure that really qualifies as advertising, rather than as speaking from experience.

Could it be that our name-changing poster (a self-admitted attorney) is upset because his name isn't being mentioned? Or maybe it isn't being mentioned positively?


Submitted by alias1958 on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 13:26

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Interesting to see through all these posts, ....which members have open minds and which ones are completely brainwashed. I may not be finding any good companies to go with on this site but I sure am finding some bad ones not to go with. I just find it interesting that there appears to be a few people that are questioning some of the ethics involved in large forums such as this. As can be seen by some of the members that have been around for a while, they are very defensive because they have dedicated a lot of time and energy helping people on this site. It is obvious that none of them have ever even contemplated the possibility that the site may occasionally inflict harm on some versus help.
The questions regarding who owns this site and how they make their money may not be pertinent unless there are some conflicts of interest, some kick backs, some ethic violations or other inproprieties but these are just conjecture.
Still...... they bring up some interesting questions that most members wouldn't care to know about and yet, all guests .......should know about.


Submitted by on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 13:39

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I see a lot of people that have been around this site for quite a while trying to defend something that they aren't even sure about, themselves


I think what people have been defending is this forum, which has helped them and helped many others, and I think that is something that they are pretty sure about.

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so before all of you old timers jump on people with some legitimate questions (not agendas)


If you read all of the posts in the various threads, and under various names, that have been posted by this person over the past few days, it's pretty apparent that there is an agenda. Also, he has jumped on many of the members and "old timers" here, in his various threads, so he's not the innocent victim that he portrays himself to be.

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I'm not really looking for positive feedback because who's to say where it is coming from. I am trying to rule out those with negative input.


I agree completely, except that I would also add that you don't really know where the negative input is coming from either. The bottom line is that this site allows both positive information and negative information to be posted about companies, based on people's experiences (or claim of experiences) with them. It is still up to each individual person to do their own homework and reach their own conclusions about what would best serve their needs in their particular situation.

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It is obvious that none of them have ever even contemplated the possibility that the site may occasionally inflict harm on some versus help.


Again, I would have to point out that each person should be responsible for doing their own homework and evaluating their own situation. All that anyone on this site can do is give advice to the best of their ability, based on their own experiences. As would be the case with advice elsewhere as well, each person has to decide if that advice works for them in their situation, just as they would if they were getting advice from their mother, friend, neighbor, etc. I, for one, would certainly never take any advice from someone on the internet strictly at face value without doing any other research or checking.


Submitted by alias1958 on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 13:54

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You can't punish an entire group based on the actions of one person or some bad posts. We all have off days too so sometimes people that generally give good help might ocassionally give not so good help. You will find that you will get the same results no matter where you go I suspect. Also there is no requirement or benefit of being a "member". Anybody can post here and it takes nothing more than a simple anonymous yahoo email address to sign up. Basically there is no difference between a "member" and a "guest" other than supplying some random email which is all I supplied when I signed up over a year ago. Nobody knows anything about me here other than my screen name and maybe a few tidbits I have posted at random. Anybody could supply that random email address and start putting up trash and be a member at least until they get booted I suppose and even then they could come back over and over again with either a new email or just as a guest. I somehow think you already know that though.


Submitted by DOLLARSandSINCE on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 14:02

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Punishment's really not my gig, least of all against those here who are sincere, of which I'm certain there are many. (It's problematic, of course, knowing who they are online.) Whatever happens to the bad actors--and in the end that's up to prosecutors--the basic idea behind this community was and is useful and even pretty cool.

Hence the best of this community will not only survive, but come to fulfull a higher function. It can't do otherwise once stripped of the shady referrals, kickbacks, non-existent "law firms" and the like. Until then, and as I write this, there are people here ripping off debtors while pretending to help them, and that's not right. Some of you have already begun to see this, which is gratifying. There will be much more to see in the coming days.

The facts, to return to OVLG, are quite plain: OVLG is a "law firm" in name only. Ladies and gentlemen, if you saw a licensed lawyer doing what OVLG is, the screaming in here would be deafening. [samebox:d06d0e2ed1="OVLG"]OVLG is a law firm and if you have any doubt then you can visit our site https://www.oakviewlaw.com/ for details. You can also go through our list of attorneys and shareholders https://www.oakviewlaw.com/attorneys/index.html[/samebox:d06d0e2ed1] These deceptions and self-dealing can not be defended merely because Vikas or Polly or someone else you think you know endorses it. Regardless who's doing it or how well you think you know them, it's just plain wrong and illegal to deceive and ripoff debtors in need, and it must be stopped.

Goodnight and best wishes.

* Changes made as per TOS.


Submitted by on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 21:24

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Wow, I think that was stated pretty clearly. If there is an agenda here, I think it must have something to do with justice and right and wrong. Things aren't always as they appear to be and it is nice to see that some people care enough to bring things to the attention of others.


Submitted by on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 07:24

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First, the name switching is quite annoying so from here on out I will refer to you as Calawyer since that is what you started this entire bombardment as even though you are not really a lawyer. Maybe you should open your eyes a bit wider Calawyer and take a look at the debt industry as a whole. The entire debt industry is a rip off in general starting with the banks and filtering all the way down. Why do you think our economy is so sluggish right now? Now these forums are open to any praise and any criticisms of any companies that do business in the debt industry. I have seen 1000's of posts on this forum were users have been abused by numerous companies and are now coming here seeking help in dealing with said companies and fielding their complaints. If it is a slime ball company then you will find nobody here defending it probably. If you have a complaint against OVLG then make it known without putting it in a cipher. If others agree or disagree with your complaint I am sure they will voice their opinions as well. If you have hard evidence of them breaking some laws then take it to the AG because posting it here without some link to a case will certainly get you no where. I personally know very little about OVLG other than what I have come across on these boards which has been very little to this point. Generally that means the company is doing an ok job since nobody is complaining but apprently you have some great insight that no other person has.


Submitted by DOLLARSandSINCE on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 08:40

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debtconsolidationcare.com/pollyandsay/exciting-project.html

I am still a little confused with the above post. I am not sure what affiliation, Vikas, has to do with this site but it is clear from polly's thread, that she introduced Oak View Law Group to the forum last year through this thread and stated that Vikas would be a paralegal with the group. It also sounds like he is the one that started the new debt settlement law group? [samebox:32b0e98bd8="Vikas"]I have not started any thread introducing OVLG till date. Yes, I did work as a paralegal in OVLG. I have not started any debt settlement law group till date.[/samebox:32b0e98bd8]
I think the point some are trying to make, is the ethics involved in this forum introducing a new company that has ties to this forum in some shape or form. It is also nice to know that some of these so called law firms or groups that specialize in debt settlement possibly might not actually have any attorneys at all that ever see anyone's file. [samebox:32b0e98bd8="OVLG"]To see our list of attorneys, please visit our link https://www.oakviewlaw.com/attorneys/index.html[/samebox:32b0e98bd8]I don't know the answers but I do agree that it would be nice to know what is going on behind the scenes in some of these forums. Personally, I think that some of them dupe a lot of innocent people into volunteering their time to assist a lot of desperate people with their financial woes while the forum makes a lot of money in referals, kickbacks, etc.. I am not saying that this forum does any of this, but in light of some of the questions raised and some possible improprieties in the system, I for one am very interested in getting some answers as should anyone else that is looking for answers to financial advice. Just my thoughts..........


Submitted by on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 09:24

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In my opinion, aside from Polly's post about the new project they were working on, very little is said about Oak view on this board. In fact, they also do pdl settlement, and when people mention them as a possible choice, they are advised to do it on their own.

Also, as far as the site getting kickbacks, well, they all do. But - This site actually uses part of that money to give back to the people that post here. No other site pays it's posters. So while they are making money from referrals, they are giving some of it back.

Also, you can sign up for the community without getting a referral.


Submitted by goudah2424 on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 10:29

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Goudah beat me to the punch and I agree with him. OVLG is not even close to a hot topic here. I just briefly reviewed the first 3 forums found above. Each forum has roughly 45 threads on the first page. In those 135 posts I saw it mentioned 1 time other than this thread and it wasn't a negative. If they weren't doing their job right over there then it would show up a heck of a lot more than that. Also, it does not take a genius to figure out that this site makes money via referrals. Finally, it is really getting old that you post something Callawyer and then you respond to your own post.


Submitted by DOLLARSandSINCE on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 10:44

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I would think that most of the posters here profit from the knowledge that is posted here. We pay nothing to join, we RECEIVE payments for our posts (questions or answers), and we are required to give nothing in return while we learn how to fix/solve the messes that we caused ourselves.


Submitted by smo65d11 on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 10:45

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Who said I responded to my own post? That wouldn't be ethical..... but trust me, read the other post and read my guest post and they aren't written by the same person..... and I am not that same person..... or the same IP, or affiliated with anyone else on this site, for that matter.
I was just looking to see if there are any legitimate companies doing businesss out there and rather than toss a coin, it is beginning to look like I would be better off learning the ropes and going it on my own.......at least I would only have myself to blame if it gets all screwed up and I can always get an attorney to help in a pinch.


Submitted by on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 11:00

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Regarding anonymity, there's much at stake. "Vikas," "Jason" and others presumably have access to IP addresses and every account. So let's get real: oh, wait, we can????????t. After all, who is Vikas, Jason, Polly, or even you? You can????????t know whether the person using any of these handles today is the same as yesterday. You????????re right to be skeptical of me; please do the same with the other aliases you think you know.

You question whether I have "hard evidence" and profess to know little about OVLG. This is an OVLG thread: have you read it? Pretending to be a law firm, self-dealing and fraud are serious crimes. [samebox:cd30bfab1b="OVLG"]We don't need to pretend as law firm. If you have any doubt then please visit our site for the list of attorneys and shareholders https://www.oakviewlaw.com/attorneys/index.html. [/samebox:cd30bfab1b]Someone here continues to cheat needy debtors with the aid and good will of bona fide members--that means innocently or not, you're helping criminals--and you are so inured that you can't even see it even when it's right there in front of you. Worse: you????????ll fight to keep your eyes averted.

Incredibly, it????????s all OK with you, as long as the fraud is sufficiently well done that the victim doesn????????t even know. Hey, it????????s a rotten industry, get over it. In effect, you'd outlaw the robber but permit the embezzler or pickpocket, so long as there????????s lots of them and they????????re good at what they do. Hey, no complaints, right?

Onward: here????????s a tinyurl link to the street view of 1200 Emerson in Palo Alto, the ???????head office??????? of OVLG, the ???????international law firm??????? ranked and recommended here:

tinyurl[dot]com/5ctype

Both 1200 and 1210 are the same structure, at the SW corner of Emerson and Embarcadero. Remember, Vikas works closely with OVLG (most recently, we're told, as paralegal). He also founded and owns this website.

[samebox:cd30bfab1b="OVLG"]To see the exact locations of our offices please see the map in our site in the "contact us" page. Please visit the link https://www.oakviewlaw.com/contact-us/index.html and scroll down to find the map of our office addresses.[/samebox:cd30bfab1b]

Someone, anyone, please tell me just one thing that rings right or true about this.

Thanks for urging me to speak with the authorities.


Submitted by on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 11:01

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Wow. I'm used to people on Boards having nothing better to do than flame people, but this is a rough one. It does appear there is an agenda here for some reason. I've never seen someone accused of crimes and fraud before by someone just tossing those words around. It's hard to take this thread seriously when it is just nothing more then flaming for whatever reason.


Submitted by on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 11:45

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Just a thought from one who has watched this thread with interest. As a previous poster stated, there is obviously an agenda going on here. I agree with other posters that if there is merit to the innuendos, the person should take it to the authorities. By continuing his smear campaign here, he helps nobody. Also, he obviously craves responses and will respond to himself if nobody else responds. It might be best to just stop responding and let him do something else with his accusations. If the accusations are true and there is something illegal going on, then he should certainly alert the proper authorities, which would be the best way to help the innocent victims that he claims are being duped. If all he can do is keep posting accusations or innuendos here, then it's highly doubtful that he has anything worth responding to.


Submitted by on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 12:38

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See there you go again 3 posts from the same person in a row as Guest, Evidence and WhyNot. What a joke. You have nothing Cal... nothing. This is coming from someone that OVLG isn't even a blip on my radar. I might actually care if they suddenly had a flood of complaints from different users or you had some real evidence and didn't post all the other garbage with it but as it stands now your issue is nothing more than slander against OVLG for whatever reason. It is quite simple. If they are doing something illegal then file a complaint. I suspect you will get just as far with that complaint as the one you are supposed to be filing against me with the CA Bar. Good luck with both....


Submitted by DOLLARSandSINCE on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 13:21

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