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I received another email from pdl I did not apply to today?

Date: Fri, 11/24/2006 - 19:12

Submitted by rmalcolm
on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 19:12

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This is really weird. I closed my account on last friday due to internet pdls attacking my account and then I receive this email today 11/24. I have never applied to this company. I just thought it was weird and would share it.

[quote]Dear,

Thank you for applying to us for a cash advance on October 05, 2006. We truly value your business.

After carefully reviewing your application, we are sorry to advise you that we cannot provide a cash advance to you at this time. If you would like a statement of specific reasons why your application was denied, please contact our credit service manager shown below within 60 days of the date of this letter. We will provide you with the statement of reasons within 30 days after receiving your request.

Customer Support
CashNetUSA
PO Box 547
Lake Bluff, IL 60044

Toll-Free Telephone: (888) 801-9075

If we obtained information from a consumer reporting agency as part of our consideration of your application, its name, address, and toll-free telephone number is shown below. The reporting agency played no part in our decision and is unable to supply specific reasons why we have denied credit to you. You have a right under the Fair Credit Reporting Act to know the information contained in your credit file at the consumer reporting agency. You have a right to a free copy of your report from the reporting agency, if you request it no later than 60 days after you receive this notice. In addition, if you find that any information contained in the report you received is inaccurate or incomplete, you have the right to dispute the matter with the reporting agency. You can find out about the information contained in your file (if one was used) by
contacting:

TeleTrack, Inc.
Suite 800
155 Technology Parkway
Norcross, Georgia 30092
Toll-Free Telephone: (800) 729 6981

CL Verify
PO Box 863404
Orlando, FL 32886-3404
support(at)clverify.com

Sincerely,

Customer Support
CashNetUSA
Phone: (888) 801-9075
Fax: (866) 326-5265

Notice: The federal Equal Credit Opportunity Act prohibits creditors from discriminating against credit applicants on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, ****, marital status, age (provided the applicant has the capacity to enter into a binding contract); because all or part of the applicant's income derives from any public assistance program; or because the applicant has in good faith exercised any right under the Consumer Credit Protection Act. The federal agency that administers compliance with this law concerning this creditor is:

Consumer Response Center
Federal Trade Commission
Washington, DC 20580

*** Terms and Conditions Apply ***[/quote]

[color=Red]****Adult term removed - Jason[/color]


Well, at least their denial letters comply with Regulation B.

If you didn't apply, the only thing I can think is that one of your other IPDL filled out an app for you to try to enact some revenge. Maybe they were going to try to get this place to put money into your account, so that it would be there for them to take out...


lrhall41

Submitted by DebtCruncher on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 19:27

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Well with this company you just better be thankful they denied it. lol This is one company that is dirty. What am I saying they are all crooks. KYSIDE38


lrhall41

Submitted by KYSIDE38 on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 20:45

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Yes, I figured so - the strange thing is I think I have a loan through them and I closed my bank account instead of sending me the usual initial email after they can't get any more money they send this to me instead. Hmmm. I am not going to respond - I will just wait and see what happens. I think OK is one of the states that does not tolerate internet payday loans (harsher rules or something like that - still researching)and reporting these companies to the AG office will hopefully be effective.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sat, 11/25/2006 - 09:04

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rmalcolm:

That is true about OK, however CashnetUSA is licensed to do business there. They one of the few internet lenders that I know of who are licensed in most states to do PDL's. Since they are licensed, they do have to follow your state laws and if you default with them, you are subject to a lawsuit to recover the debt. If you have a delinquent account with them, you should call them to make arrangements to take care of it.


lrhall41

Submitted by Rach on Sat, 11/25/2006 - 09:07

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kyside--this is just the slander that i was referring to in previous posts. you are calling people crooks and dirty. can you substantiate your claim. how about someone sue you for that type of activity?

oh Vikas, why don't you just edit out that post like you have all of the previous ones that don't provide a way to scam companies????


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sat, 11/25/2006 - 09:25

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Guest, that's not fair. A lot of people here have gone rounds with these PDL companies. Kyside can indeed substantiate her claim. Is breaking all of the lending laws and operating unlicensed not thievery? Is threatening people with arrest and scaring them half senseless not dirty?

Vikas does not go around deleting posts. As a matter of fact, he supports everyone's opinion. It's when posts are foul and offensive or personally hurtful that they get deleted. You are always welcome here, please keep your criticism constructive.


lrhall41

Submitted by finsfan13 on Sat, 11/25/2006 - 10:03

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[quote=Guest]oh vikas, why don't you just edit out that post like you have all of the previous ones that don't provide a way to scam companies???? [/quote]

Hi Guest, my question to you...

Can you deny the fact that most people are not getting scammed by companies doing illegal business? Do you favor them?

Can you justify and assure people that every company we often talk about in this forum is 100% legit? People conclude based on their experiences. Why shouldn't the freedom of speech be there and as long as it is business related?

About editing the posts - they are done when there is a personal attack, insult, individual abuse and use of profane language. If it????????s ever done, don't worry, it will be edited.

Everyone has the right to give an overview and say what is right, but not at the cost of insulting others. Isn't it fair?

Regards
Vikas


lrhall41

Submitted by Vikas on Sat, 11/25/2006 - 13:33

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of course you all agree with each other.
from Vikas's post:
About editing the posts - they are done when there is a personal attack, insult, individual abuse and use of profane language. If it????????s ever done, don't worry, it will be edited.

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so what do you do when you and your people post insults, attacks and abuse about these companies? i will reassert my previous claim that you want your cake and eat it too. you continue to allow slanderous comments about companies here and continue to do nothing about it. can you tell me why that is? i noticed the sections that someone posted about someone being a snake that were friendly to your cause were quickly deleted. why did you do that?

as for kyside, how does an AG complaint or action by an AG truly substantiate anything. if you read a post in these forums by DENNIS WILLIAMS, you will see that there is substantial case precedent to prohibit a state from enforcing their laws on out of state lenders. how is that fact or proof just because kyside found a bleeding heart in the WV AG's office? really this is about taking responsibility for your actions, both on this site and when you take out a loan. oh gosh, i know i didn't read my contract but that shouldn't matter now that i don't want to pay it back. how does that carry any common sense? CAN YOU ALL TELL ME HOW THAT WORKS?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 11/26/2006 - 08:27

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HERE IS HIS EMAIL THAT HE SENT TO ONE OF YOUR "MEMBERS":

Quote:

Frankly, I fail to understand your conclusion that because of an exception in a New Mexico bill that never passed into law, the choice of law clause of your contract, the Restatement Second of Conflicts of Law and literally hundreds of state and federal court decisions on contract formation do not apply. But, by all means proceed with whomever you wish. Please feel free to provide Mr. Edmondson with my contact information (which appears below) to expedite the handling of your complaint.



The appropriate form for the Oklahoma AG?s office may be found at W W W DOT DOT ConsumerComplaint!OpenPage. Unfortunately, Mr. Edmondson?s web site does not support online filing. For your convenience, I am attaching a .pdf file of the Oklahoma consumer complaint form. You simply need to print this, fill it out and mail it to Mr. Edmonson?s office.



Ambassador Financial Services, Inc. d/b/a Nationwide Cash operates from offices in Espa????????, New Mexico, where it is licensed to make unsecured consumer loans under New Mexico?s Small Loan Act of 1955. (As it existed at the time your loan was made and continues to exist today, rather than as it might have been modified if the Lundstrom bill passed.) It is regulated by the Financial Institutions Division of the New Mexico Regulation and Licensing Department, which conducts annual onsite audit of its operations and portfolio.



When a potential customer completes an Ambassador loan application that application is received ? either electronically or physically ? at my client?s headquarters. There, Ambassador does its underwriting. If preliminarily approved, the customer is sent a loan note and related documents for physical or electronic signature. Once received, Ambassador personnel verify information provided by the customer. If all checks out, the Company accepts the agreement, thus creating a binding contract. Loan proceeds are then disbursed from its accounts at a New Mexico bank, and repayment by the consumer is made to the same account.



In contrast, it has no employees, agents, facilities or accounts in your state. In fact, it?s only connection with your state is that you made a loan application via the internet at its New Mexico headquarters.



In summary, even if the choice-of-law clause in the loan agreement were absent or invalid, these are New Mexico loans. This is because all of the critical elements that comprise a loan transactions ? domicile of at least one party, analysis of the application, the final act necessary for contract formation, disbursement and repayment ? all occur in New Mexico. See Shannon-Vail Five, Inc. v. Bunch, 270 F.3d 1207 (9th Cir. 2001); Restat 2d of Conflict of Laws, ?? 187, 188, 195, 203.



Under the U.S. Constitution, no state can require an entity operating entirely in another state to submit to its licensing schemes or substantive laws. As the U.S. Supreme Court held:



?The ?Commerce Clause . . . precludes the application of a state statute to commerce that takes place wholly outside of the State's borders, whether or not the commerce has effects within the State,? Edgar v. MITE Corp., 457 U.S. 624, 642-643 (1982) (plurality opinion). Second, a statute that directly controls commerce occurring wholly outside the boundaries of a State exceeds the inherent limits of the enacting State's authority and is invalid regardless of whether the statute's extraterritorial reach was intended by the legislature. The critical inquiry is whether the practical effect of the regulation is to control conduct beyond the boundaries of the State. Third, the practical effect of the statute must be evaluated not only by considering the consequences of the statute itself, but also by considering how the challenged statute may interact with the legitimate regulatory regimes of other States and what effect would arise if not one, but many or every, State adopted similar legislation. Generally speaking, the Commerce Clause protects against inconsistent legislation arising from the projection of one state regulatory regime into the jurisdiction of another State.?



Healy v. Beer Inst., 491 U.S. 324, 336-337 (1989)



In recent years, a phenomenon has come about in which litigants and even regulators attempt to substitute their home state?s laws for those of the lender?s state. Usually, they justify their intrusions into other states on the basis that some out-of-state businesses operate interactive websites. However, this position is based on a misreading and misapplication of Zippo Manufacturing Company v. Zippo Dot Com, Inc., 952 F.Supp. 1119 (W.D.Pa 1997)



Zippo is a case about in personam jurisdiction. If a customer in State X can conduct an interstate transaction from his desktop computer, he should not need to travel to raise a dispute. He can bring his claims in his home state?s court. Zippo is about convenience and fairness in private litigation. Period. Nothing in the Zippo opinion determines which state?s substantive law applies to a transaction, let alone address the issue of prescriptive or regulatory jurisidiction. These questions were never raised by the litigants. Nor should they have been. The issue had already been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. See Healy, supra;



Simply, a state?s legislative and executive powers are co-extensive with its territory. It cannot simply reach across borders. Sandberg v. McDonald, 248 U.S. 185 (1918); American Banana Co. v. United Fruit Co., 213 U.S. 347 (1909). And while the temptation to do so is understandable in the Internet age, the law remains the law. As one federal judge caustically wrote:



?California has discovered the Internet. Because Californian consumers can read sites posted by foreign brokers, the state says that "someone offering real-estate services on the Internet without a California license could avoid California regulation if they put barriers in place to avoid doing brokerage business with Californians, including a web page legend that their services are unavailable to Californians." That says that a national broker cannot deal with Californians. Imagine the usefulness -- to brokers and consumers -- of a web page or newspaper advertisement that had disclaimers and rights notices from 50 states, District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. At least now the Canal Zone can be omitted.?



Stroman Realty, Inc. v. Antt, 2005 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 16048 (D. Tex. 2005)



In Stroman, Florida and California attempted to impose their license requirements and consumer protection laws upon a Texas broker who advertised nationally, including via direct mail and internet. The court thoroughly chastised the two states for violating the interstate commerce clause and enjoined them from enforcing their laws in violation of Stroman?s constitutional rights.



The Stroman court also addressed the states? attempt to pervert in personam jurisdiction into prescriptive jurisdiction:



?Florida and California insist that they must be able to exercise jurisdiction over Stroman in their states. They may be able to sue him, depending on the facts of the case, irrespective of his licensure. Without submitting to their licensing laws, Stroman consents to jurisdiction in states where it conducts continuous and systematic business; where it does occasional, episodic, modest business, jurisdiction would depend. These states want to have jurisdiction over out-of-state businesses automatically, gratuitously as a price of admission to their markets -- an interstate tariff that costs outsiders their rights.?



In light of the foregoing, your state has no authority to regulate my client?s activities, all of which occur in New Mexico. We therefore expect you to meet your obligations under your loan agreement.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 11/26/2006 - 08:31

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Quote:

I noticed the sections that someone posted about someone being a snake that were friendly to your cause were quickly deleted. Why did you do that?


I'm not sure what post you are talking about. Maybe you can provide a link? There have been several abusive posts recently, I imagine this was one of them. I don't know what "cause" you are talking about, either. This board is not a big conspiracy, it's a place where we help each others. The mods and admin don't delete things at our whim, either. If it's clean and non-abusive, it stays. Period.

I really, really hate BS. Like I said before, you and your opinion are always welcome here. But please know the truth about deleting posts.


lrhall41

Submitted by finsfan13 on Sun, 11/26/2006 - 12:10

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Guest, I will respond to your reply. These companies are ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!! in my state. I have every right to say what I did. Also they should be ILLEGAL in every state. Ever herad of first amendment? Sue me if you can I am stating my state law. These people are predators . Why do they call it predatory lending? I would like to say that my AG does have a bleeding heart I guess. He is a decent human being more than I can say for you. He dont like to see people scammed out of hard earned money!!!!!! By ILLEGAL companies. Also if they are so up and up how come so many are folding? Check your AP news of what is happening in this state. With more to Come!!! So yopu can tell whatever company you work for. KYSIDE38


lrhall41

Submitted by KYSIDE38 on Sun, 11/26/2006 - 15:22

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Guest, Kyside is right. The difference on deleting posts is, when we talk about a company, we have something to back us up on what we say,experience. The posts that are deleted, are the nasty, name calling attacks that are personally on another person for what they say. You want to be able to say what you think or know, why can't others do the same?..Karen


lrhall41

Submitted by Bossy4455 on Sun, 11/26/2006 - 15:34

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guys, once again he "guest" works for payday loan company and is tick off about their company going down for doing illegal business...thats all.

i wouldn't be surprised if guest worked fo Nationwidecash, because he/she brings Dennis Williams into all the comments made, who knows if these people are upset because Dennis is now working in our favor not theirs.


lrhall41

Submitted by drowingindebt on Sun, 11/26/2006 - 16:31

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