What does this mean..please help
Date: Tue, 11/28/2006 - 12:42
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RE: Correspondence received on November 27, 2006 concerning Dear , I am writing in reference to your correspondence received on November 27, 2006. Please be advised that GECC, Inc., dba Cash Direct Express is as follows: 1. Cash Direct Express is a lender licensed under the laws of Delaware 2. Cash Direct Express is not conducting business in the State of Indiana. 3. Cash Direct Express does not maintain a location in the Sate of Indiana. As was specifically stated in your loan agreement, the loan was provided in accordance with the Laws that govern licensed lenders in the Sate of Delaware. The choice of venue was stated in your loan agreement as the State of Delaware. Our physical location is in the State of Delaware. The loan was approved and funded in the State of Delaware. In addition, we also received your request regarding revocation of the authorization given for us to debit you account. We provide alternative payment methods for your convenience if you would like to avoid the automatically scheduled debits from occurring. You are able to send money order payments via certified mail to: 300 Creek View Road Suite 204 Newark, DE 19711 This payment must be received by us at least 3 business days prior to your scheduled due date in order to prevent an attempted debit from the account we have on file. You may also send your payments via Western Union Quick Collect. Our Western Union information is as follows: Pay to: Government Employees Credit CTR Inc. Code City: GECC State: DE Account no: Your social security number or current loan number Once completed, please call and provide one of our representatives with the Money Transfer Control Number you receive so we can verify the transaction. A Western Union payment must be received at least 1 full business day prior to your scheduled due date in order to prevent an attempted debit from the account we have on file. In the event you choose not to take advantage of one of these alternate methods, please be advised that all standard payment procedures will be followed in accordance with your contract provisions. I hope this has answered all of your inquires. If you should have any additional questions or concerns please contact our office at your earliest convenience. Thank you, Customer Relations Department Government Employees Credit Center Processing Center 300 Creek View Rd Newark, DE 19711 1 (866) 432-2562) |
This company isn't lincensed in the state of IN. So do I just send back my same letter again??
That is their standard letter. I received the same one and they
That is their standard letter. I received the same one and they were also not licensed in DE..
what does this mean
Hello this means that they are saying you are under their state law. Just like every other payday company also says. They are goverend by your state laws. WV ias suing these people they are in the 14 that are now being sued. KYSIDE38
So should I just send my letter right back to them?
So should I just send my letter right back to them?
Unless you are a resident of the State of Delaware, they must be
Unless you are a resident of the State of Delaware, they must be licensed in your state. I am assuming you are in Indiana? I just found an awesome article on Indiana and Payday lenders. Sounds like your Attorney General is really cracking down and will be very interested in their response.
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Indiana targets payday loans By Andrew Conte, Post staff reporter After watching lawmakers in Ohio and other states take on the payday loan industry, Indiana officials are making their first moves toward chasing them out of the Hoosier state. The industry amounts to little more than loan sharking because it violates the state's prohibition against exorbitant interest rates, the Indiana attorney general's office ruled in a recent non-binding opinion. Payday lenders would effectively be banned from operating in Indiana if that opinion withstands a court challenge filed by the industry Tuesday. All outstanding loans could be voided and fees collected by the lenders could be refunded. Industry representatives, however, deny that they are engaging in anything illegal. ''The rules have changed,'' said Mark Tarpey, consumer credit director at the Indiana Department of Financial Institutions. ''We asked the attorney general for a ruling because of the considerable questions from the media, customers and small claims judges about what's going on.'' A four-part investigation of payday lenders by The Post last year has led to state legislative hearings in Ohio and the adoption of national standards by the industry itself. Those self-imposed regulations were released Monday and exceed most state laws. Twenty-three states, including Ohio and Kentucky, have specific rules that permit payday lending under some type of regulation. State Sen. Mark Mallory, D-9th District, and other lawmakers are now considering the creation of an oversight committee that would track lenders and ensure they are complying with the law. Another 16 states explicitly prohibit the industry, and two states have legislation pending that would legalize the practice. But Indiana and seven other states do not have any established rules for the industry at all. Instead, the companies have been allowed to exist because of loopholes in lending laws, and the states have not opposed them. Until now. ''We conclude, generally, that lenders violate Indiana law when they offer supervised loans having finance charges that exceed the annual percentage rates set out in Indiana's consumer credit code,'' Attorney General Jeffrey A. Modisett wrote in his opinion. Indiana has two separate lending laws that could apply to the payday industry and that appear to conflict with each other. One allows lenders to charge a $33 fee for each transaction, while the other limits the annual percentage rate to 36 percent for loans of less than $300. Payday lenders have been charging fees of up to $33 for each loan they issue even though most are for two weeks or less. Because the resulting interest rates far exceed 36 percent when annualized, the attorney general now argues they violate the law. If they top two times the annual percentage rate - as most do - the lenders are considered ''loan sharks'' and may be charged with a felony offense. Industry representatives have been blinking their eyes with disbelief over the opinion. How can an industry with 550 retail outlets and $296 million in business suddenly be considered illegal, they argue. The Department of Financial Institutions not only permitted the lenders but actually licensed and regulated them. Could they be charged with aiding and abetting loan sharks? ''We were somewhat baffled and at the same time it goes without saying that this is of major concern to our industry,'' said Michael Brown, director of the Indiana Defered Deposit Association, which represents payday lenders. ''This would not allow a level of fees that would allow the industry to remain in business.'' On a typical $100 loan, the consumer writes a postdated check to the lender for the loan amount and a fee of up to $33. After two weeks, the borrower must either pay off the debt, allow the company to cash the original check or renew the loan for another two-week period. Because of the short terms of the loans, the fees amount to enormous annualized percentage rates of 300, 500 or even 1,000 percent. Consumer groups have long argued that they permit nothing less than ''legalized loansharking.'' |
cincypost.com/news/2000/payday012700.html
Keep yourself safe! The letter says you opted the venue as DE. I
Keep yourself safe! The letter says you opted the venue as DE. Is that true? IPDL companies must follow the laws of borrowers' state. How is Delaware coming up as the venue you opted in the agreement, since you reside in IN?
Delaware has laws in favor of credit card companies. They don't need to follow the laws of other states if they are licensed in their state. I am not sure if this is effective on IPDL also. Read this
http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/political/extortionate-statute.html
I just did some research according to their letter they are Gove
I just did some research according to their letter they are Goverment Employees Credit Center. And here is what I found (Licenses Expire on December 31st of Each Year
Name
License Number
Street Number
Address
City
State
Zip Code
Branch
Government Employees Credit Center, Inc.
2000018
300
Creekview Drive, Suite 204
Newark
DE
19711
The data was updated on 11/28/2006 )
They are lincensed in the state of DE. But, I am in Idiana. And, I have no copy of a contract. So what do I do? Should I just send back my letter?
Re-send your letter, they have to follow your state's law. Most
Re-send your letter, they have to follow your state's law. Most ipdls state that they only have to follow their state's law.
A business deal without a contract!! This doesn't sound a fair b
A business deal without a contract!! This doesn't sound a fair business by the company. Do you think they are lying when they mention about the contract?
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As was specifically stated in your loan agreement, the loan was provided in accordance with the Laws that govern licensed lenders in the Sate of Delaware |
You need to ask the company for the contract
I just sent them an email for a copy of the loan agreement that
I just sent them an email for a copy of the loan agreement that I signed to be sent to me.
And if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't matter which state you or th
And if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't matter which state you or the business resides in they are to supply the consumer with a written contract.
Ok i know that it is alot of info. But here is a copy of the con
Ok i know that it is alot of info. But here is a copy of the contact that they sent to me. The only thing that i see about delaware law is for abratration (government employees credit center, inc
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300 creek view road, suite 204 Newark, delaware 19811 Voice: 866.432.2562 Fax: 866.432.2736 E-mail: Customerservice(at)cashdirectexpress.com Loan agreement and promissory note In consideration for the loan of the amount financed set forth below in the truth-in-lending disclosures, you promise to pay the total of payments (amount Financed plus finance charge) as set forth in the disclosures, together with all other permitted charges as set forth in this agreement to government employees Credit center, inc (hereinto referred to as gecc or gecc, inc.). Truth-in-lending act information Annual percentage Rate The cost of your credit At a yearly rate Finance charge The dollar amount the Credit will cost you Amount financed The amount of credit Provided to you or on Your behalf Total of payments The amount you will have Paid after you have made All payments as Scheduled 730% $90.00 $300.00 $390.00 Breakdown of amount financed (above) $300.00 sent directly to you $0.00 paid on your account to settle any outstanding balance on previous loans $90.00 fees paid to gecc, inc. For the transfer of the loan proceeds to you Loan options - please complete the following Loan delivery Funds will be sent directly to your bank account via ach. Loan payment Your finance charge of $90.00 is due on 9/22/2006. If you choose to pay your balance in full. You will have 1 payment of $390.00 due on 9/22/2006. Loan amount option You are qualified to borrow a maximum amount of $300.00, however you can borrow less than that and in doing so Pay less interest on the loan. Please let us know if you would like to borrow any amount less than the maximum Prior to electronically signing this document. Further terms and conditions Payments: if payment is not received via certified funds by 1pm eastern time on the business day prior to your payment date, We will debit that payment from your direct deposit account in accordance with the electronic funds transfer Authorization which you have signed and provided to us. In the event that ach debit is the method of payment, gecc, inc. Reserves the right to divide your payment into several debits, at our discretion, so long as the total of all the debits is Equal to the payment amount due. You will receive a disclosure statement outlining the exact payment dates and amounts By electronic mail before your first payment is due. The amounts in the "payment option" section above are for reference Only and the actual payment amounts may differ. Prepayment: you may prepay this loan at any time prior to it being due, and you may be entitled to a refund of any prepaid Finance charge. Period: the term "period", when used in reference to interest calculations, is defined as the time period between your Regularly scheduled pay periods, or any portion thereof, not to exceed 37 calendar days. Interest: interest will be calculated on your account at the rate of %730 per 20 day period per $100.00 of outstanding Principal in the event that your loan extends past the term described in this agreement, interest will continue to accrue On the outstanding principal balance at the aforementioned rate until such time as the outstanding balance is paid in full. Cancellation: you can return the amount financed listed above to us on or before 5:00pm eastern time of the business day Following the day the funds are released to you without incursion of any fee or other charges. Dishonored item fee: a fee of $30.00 (thirty dollars) will be charged to your loan if any payment is returned to us for any Reason. This fee will be added to the balance of your loan. Default: in the event you fail to repay the loan in accordance with the payment schedule above, finance charges will Continue to accrue in accordance with the terms of the original agreement. Renewals: unless borrower has repaid all obligations under this agreement in full, has been sent notice of lender's Intention not to renew this agreement, or has defaulted under this agreement, lender shall automatically renew the due Date of the amount financed until so terminated. If borrower does not choose to have this agreement automatically Renewed, borrower must notify lender 2 business days before the loan is due. If this agreement is renewed, borrower's Account will be debited in the amount of the finance charge due. Interest at the annual percentage rate shown above Will continue to accrue on the unpaid balance during any renewal. If the amount financed is $500.00 or less, lender, as Required by delaware law, will not extend a due date more than four times without entering into another agreement. If Additional renewals are needed you must enter into a workout agreement with lender and reduce the original principal Amount of the loan by $50 until the loan is paid in full. Arbitration: all parties voluntarily agree to have all disputes that arise from or relate in any way to past, present or Future business with gecc, inc., its affiliates, agents, or employees, decided by binding arbitration at the election of any Involved party. Any arbitration will be conducted under the jams financial services arbitration rules and procedures, a Copy of which is available by visiting jamsadr.com or by calling our office at 1-866-gecc-loan. Except as federal Laws may apply, this note shall be governed by and construed in accordance with delaware law. This arbitration clause Shall be governed in accordance with the federal arbitration act, 9 u.s.c. Sections 1-16. Judgment upon the award may be Entered in any court having jurisdiction. If arbitration is chosen, neither party will have the right to go to court, to have A jury trial, to participate as a representative or a member of any class of claimants, or to have your claims Consolidated or joined with other claims. All parties will have very limited rights to pre-trial discovery and appeal. You Fully understand and agree that the choice of law for resolving any disputes is delaware law, the choice of jurisdiction Is the state of delaware, and the choice of venue is new castle county, delaware. With my signature below i certify that i am aware regulation 5.2218/2231.003 of delaware state banking code (a copy of which Can be obtained by visiting geccloan.com/law.html or by calling 1-866-gecc-loan which has been made available To me as per delaware law. I further certify that i have read, understood, and agree to the terms set forth in this Agreement. This note represents the final agreement governing the terms and conditions of this loan, there are no other Agreements written or oral. Signature:2520 date: 9/6/2006) |
Let me know what you see.
Please help I see where is says (this note shall be governed by
Please help I see where is says (this note shall be governed by and construed in accordance with delaware law.) So does this mean that Since I borrowed 300.00 and Have paid $420.00 that I still owe them whatever they say I owe them? Please help I am so confused.
Ok here is the latest information that they sent me. And my resp
Ok here is the latest information that they sent me. And my response to them from the previous email. Do I continue to send them these emails? ( We have received your request regarding revocation of the authorization given for us to debit you account.
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Ms. you applied to Cash Direct Express. Via the Internet you loan was opened in the state of Delaware. The funds for this loan were sent from a Bank In Delaware. We are licensed under Delaware Law. This is where we do business over the Internet. We continue to abide by the terms of the contract. We provide alternative payment methods for your convenience if you would like to avoid the automatically scheduled debits from occurring. You are able to send money order payments via certified mail to: 300 Creek View Road Suite 204 Newark, DE 19711 This payment must be received by us at least 3 business days prior to your scheduled due date in order to prevent an attempted debit from the account we have on file. You may also send your payments via Western Union Quick Collect. Our Western Union information is as follows: Pay to: Government Employees Credit CTR Inc. Code City: GECC State: DE Account no: Your social security number or current loan number Once completed, please call and provide one of our representatives with the Money Transfer Control Number you receive so we can verify the transaction. A Western Union payment must be received at least 1 full business day prior to your scheduled due date in order to prevent an attempted debit from the account we have on file. In the event you choose not to take advantage of one of these alternate methods, please be advised that all standard payment collection procedures will be followed in accordance with your contract provisions. If you should have any other additional questions please email us at customerservice(at)cashdirectexpress.com or contact us at 1 (866) 432-2562 Mon-Fri from 8:30am to 5:00pm ET. Thank you, Customer Relations Cash Direct Express --Original Message-- From: Date: 11/29/2006 1:18:39 PM To: customerservice(at)cashdirectexpress.com Subject: RE: Cash Direct Express To Whom It May Concern: After reviewing your contract only laws of arbitration for the state of Delaware is what was agreed upon. Also, your company must be licensed in the in which the customer resides in order to "lend" money to a customer. Again, please see the information I have submitted below.) |
Any resolution to this letter? i have the same problem with GECC
Any resolution to this letter? i have the same problem with GECC and would like to know the outcome.
I would hold to your guns on this and remember: they can tell yo
I would hold to your guns on this and remember: they can tell you anything they want, but the upshot is they are doing business in your state and as such, MUST be licensed in your state and follow the laws. Anything else is an illegal practice.
Have you tried telling them that you are sending your complaints
Have you tried telling them that you are sending your complaints/questions/inquiries to your AG and their AG to get a legal ruling on the decision. That might make them think twice before sending their stupid emails.
Another thing these characters claim is they are able to "Import
Another thing these characters claim is they are able to "Import"fees and interest rates they seem fit.
In order for them to do that is if they have a presents in the borrowers state. Office,Branch,etc.
They also need to be licensed in said state by the commission of Banks.
end in sight....
I sent one email to GECC letting them know they were not legally allowed to lend to Iowa residents and that if my account was not shown as paid in full and a refund received within 10 business days, I would be contacting the Iowa Attorney General, the Iowa Department of Banking and the Better Business Bureau.
I received an email back from them within three days stating that although they do not agree with my accusations, it is in both parties best interest to consider my account paid in full.
I followed up by asking them to send a letter to my home address. She agreed to do so. I am now working on getting my refund from them. Not sure if that will happen, but you can bet I am going to try!
The girl I worked with was Tracy Watson and was very pleasant and helpful.....so far :)
Good luck!