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Verfication Process????

Date: Tue, 04/10/2007 - 14:14

Submitted by anonymous
on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 14:14

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So I received a payday loan from Arrowhead Investments back in December. Unfortunatley, I had some financial emergencies and was unable to pay any of the money back to them. They tried to debit my account but it was returned to them. Today I got an email from Sharon William with Westbury Ventures stating
[quote]"It was recorded that on 4/4/2007 2:00:13 PM, that you called and your case information was provided in which you stated that you would setup payments to prevent further action. You need to reach me immediately or we are prepared to pursue you for the full amount owed plus any fees associated with this action. Thanks."

So then I emailed her back telling her that I would be able to make payments of 50.00 starting on 4/18/2007.

She responded with this email


What does the verification process mean???? And why do I owe 430.00 when the loan amount was 250.00. I have looked at paydayloaninfo.org and I saw the proper interest amounts that are legal for a payday loan. However, I have no idea how to figure it out. Can someone please help me figure out exactly how much I owe this company. I would also like to find out if they are liscened in the state of Texas. PLEASE HELP!!!!


It is a scare tactic commonly used by Arrowhead...How much did yu borrow from them and how much have you paid back? Also, what state are you in? Oh wait i See it now...YOu took out 250(they are not liscensed in the state of Texas.) Let me go look at the laws and I will get back with you in just a minute


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Submitted by Leah on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 14:18

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One-rollovers are not permitted in your state so anything they have taken out should be applied to your principle
two-I am not exactly sure how to calculate based on you laws but my best guess is that you should have to pay back roughly $272 total(contact your state regarding this to be certain). You need to send them a letter revoking their authorization to 1-withdrawal money from your bank accoutn, 2-revoke and voluntary wage assignment you may have signed when getting the loan, and 3-state your laws to them firmly and clearly after verfifying how much they can legally charge you! Send this letter via mail, via certified mail returned receipt, fax and email. I hope this helps


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Submitted by Leah on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 14:23

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I had a loan with arrowhead, I filed a complaint with my attorney generals office, arrowhead faxed me a paid in full letter and an agreement letter to drop my complaint. Tell them you are going to file a complaint with your state attorney generals office and pursue it. That should get their attention.


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Submitted by fedupinpa on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 14:28

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Leah - You are close to the correct amount, but they can add on a $10 max fee. So the legal total is actaully roughly $282. The laws say $10 fee + interest, so I would bet that they add the fee on, then calculate the interest on that total. I would also recommend checking with your state's banking dept to make sure these calculations are correct.


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Submitted by goudah2424 on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 14:33

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The lender has to abide by Texas Law and they have to be liscensed to lend in your state...Once you file a complaint with the AG and they company gets that then they will be more cooperative(PS-they cannot try to take you to court because they are not abiding by texas law nor are the liscensed to lend, that is your advantage!) They will threaten you will all sorts of things_IT IS ALL LIES! you will not go to jail over this!


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Submitted by Leah on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 14:34

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I think it sounds good. My only suggestion would be to change this part:

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If Arrowhead Investment does not abide to the settlement conditions outlined above, I will have no choice but to file a complaint with the Texas Office of the Attorney General, the Attorney General of the state where you are physically located, and the Better Business Bureau.


I think you should just tell them that you are filing the complaints. It's kind of a gray area, but it could be considered extortion to tell a company if you don't mark my loan paid in full, then I'll turn you in. I doubt anyone would ever get in any trouble for saying it, but it's better to be safe then sorry.

Plus, if everyone didn't file complaints just because their issue was settled, then the AG's offices wouldn't know about all the problems, and wouldn't be as motivated to do something about it. Everyone that has a pdl that is operating illegally should file complaints no matter what their outcome is. The more complaints, the more chance that these companies will be shut down for good!


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Submitted by goudah2424 on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 14:50

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So I faxed the letter to Sharon Williams this morning. I just received a call from her stating basically stating that she did not have to abide by anything that was stated in my letter. She basically starting screaming at me telling me that I did not borrow money from the state of Texas so therefore they do not have to abide by Texas state laws. I told her that as stated in my letter, I have every intention of paying the 250.00 plus any legal interest payments. She basically started screaming at me telling me that I owed 430.00 for fees that were accured on the account. I told her that I wanted a breakdown statement of what exactly all the "fees" were. She told me to look at my bank statement because they were all for returned items. I asked her why they were still debiting my account when I sent them a letter revoking my authorization to debit my account. She told me that they don't need my authorization and that all they have to do is show my bank the original contract and then they can continue to debt my account. So I told her not to contact me at work and she said she would continue to contact me at work as many times as she wanted. GRRRRRRR i am so frusturated. I hung up on her and then she called me right back at work and gave me a lecture on how I should not have hung up on her and then she hung up on me!!!!! GGRRRRR What should I do now!


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Submitted by on Wed, 04/11/2007 - 08:17

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Daisy,this is why you must involve your attorney general in these matters. You are just a debtor to them,basically a pion in their eyes. An Attorney General swings a mighty big club and no one in the business world likes to anger them. Go ahead and ignore the twit at the pdl office and file your complaint with the AG office detailing everything that has happened including the phonecall where she says they don't need permission to go in your money.


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Submitted by cajunbulldog on Wed, 04/11/2007 - 08:31

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Make sure that you forward the information about your conversation with her to your attorney general. It is highly illegal to contact someone at work when they have told you not to. I would send them another letter and in the meantime can you stop taking her calls? Also send a copy of the letter by email and certified mail. You do not have to take her abusive phone calls and if you cannot avoid answering the phone at work, I would simply tell her, "I cannot accept these phone calls at work and it is illegal for you to continue contacting me after I have told you this." Then hang up.


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Submitted by Sassnlucy on Wed, 04/11/2007 - 08:34

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Why didn't you call the company, they do offer settlements based on payments made and alternate arrangements. If you don't call then they aren't aware of the problem before hand and they sell your debt. Once they sell it someone else is in control of collecting it.
Arrowhead Investment

866-355-7308


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Submitted by on Tue, 05/01/2007 - 10:20

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I was able to get my account marked paid in full -- this woman is the same woman who threatened me and was very rude; however, once they found out that I contracted my state's AG, they started moving very quickly to take care of my account. Just stay with in. They will cave and do the right thing with your overpaid account.

The best,
Sarah


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Submitted by Sarah R. on Tue, 05/01/2007 - 11:22

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They finally caved in immediately with me too once they found out I filed a complaint with the AG. I can't discuss the terms pursuant to the agreement but it was what I had asked for all along. Unfortunately it has to get to this point. They would not help me out or work with me at all until it came to the point that I filed a complaint.


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Submitted by Sassnlucy on Tue, 05/01/2007 - 11:41

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Hey guest, if you read above, the poster did contact them by letter, fax, and email. Apparently they wanted to deal in written communication only in which I cannot blame them. This company has told me one thing on the phone and then the next day harassing me for a total different amount. If these companies would be honest it would not be a problem to speak to them on the phone but when they are going to lie and use illegal tactics to make people pay then everyone should only communicate with them in writing, otherwise they do not have a leg to stand on. When you talk to them on the phone it is your word against theirs and I guarantee you that they are told there is a problem in the written communication so yes they do know there is a problem, they just refuse to listen.


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Submitted by Sassnlucy on Tue, 05/01/2007 - 11:49

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We always tell the posters to go with their state Attorney General or their dept of Financial Institutions.From past experiences with these companies,our posters have had major problems with these type of companies since they seem to believe they are above the law. I too cannot say all that I know without violating confidence of certain members.


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Submitted by cajunbulldog on Tue, 05/01/2007 - 15:09

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Hi, A while ago, I took out a loan from Aarowhead Investments. I know it is paid in full, however, I am double checking my checking account records. But then all of a sudden a Ronald Renyolds from LTS Management and said that on my bank account it would appear as Westbury Ventures. In the meantime I closed the account for other reasons. He will not stop e-mailing. Today I asked him to tell me how much I actually owe, this was his response: "No???????Are you serious! You think your going to lie to me for the fourth time. Do you not know that immediate action will be taken against you for defrauding this company in excess of $3679. So, too bad. This is what was recently sent to your employer etc. Your time has expired."
So I asked him for the number to his superfisor and he stated "You may have the number to the county of New Castle DE, Cecil MD, St Lawrence NY and Essex NJ, So you can confess and make your statement to them of defrauding this company. And they are aware of both names you are using (Childs & Lorenzo). And can you read below of my position with this company. So, if you need anything you need to call me."
Each of the areas he mentioned are places where I lived before, which I didn't put on the application as it didn't ask. Also, I was married, that's where Lorenzo comes from, but I have been divorced for 5 years and haven't used that name either.
I live in Delaware and the original loan amount was $250. Can you tell me what their status is in Delaware, for instance are they licensed in Delaware.
Thank you.

I'm not sure how this works, but my email is email address removed as per forum rules - Mike thanks again.


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Submitted by on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 12:45

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