Goodbye to my debt cc friends

You are right Karen!
When did this happen? Do you guys think it was a gradual thing? I never saw it coming. I'm definitely going to do my part, though. We can't lose anyone else.

I agree with you Fins!

YEAH!! I agree with you too, Steelers.

YEAH! I agree with you too!

Boo-ya!! We are in agreement! we are UNIFIED!

Tammy I been out of touch recently here,but I am saddened to see you leaving.You were one of the tough mods that helped me learn how to be a modearator and you also taught me quite a lot in collections.

Cajun - glad to see ya!

Ok, so I havent been able to log on from home...but either way....I have been sitting here readng these posts and to tell ya the truth..I am rather insulted. I understant that "old timers" are the ones who know how to deal with situations and such but some of these posts have made it seem like those of us who are trying to help others when you "old timers" are away, are worthless. I have felt this way for several weeks, reading over some of these posts and to be honest, I think that I have done a good job trying to offer advice esp with what I have learned from the PDL mess from the "old timers" but seeing as how none of that matters, I suppose I won't post anymore because I apparently have nothing of value to imput!

PLEASE don't feel that way. I'm so sorry if you feel worthless- it's your place too.
It seems like all of us, the old-timers and the newcomers all feel the same way, doesn't it? This is getting absolutely crazy. Listen, it has nothing to do with being new..Or old. This is not North and South, dammit, we should not be divided!
If I ever offended you or anyone else, please accept my apology. If I've ever made you feel unwelcome, I'm sorry about that too. I mean it. There is so much frustration and tension here- we CAN all coexist. We need to all recognize each others talents and support each other. This board wouldn't be as big and great as it is without new people, more people, more perspective.
I don't know what else to say..I am sincere when I say I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Please don't stay away from here..And new people..It's not you guys that we refer to when we talk about taking the board back. There was some bad stuff happening around the holidays, and things escalated. I think there is a lot of confusion and misunderstanding. Please, we can't lose anyone else..We need you here. Feel free to pm me if you want to vent about it.

I think the point is this....... People need to STOP going around and correcting others because they feel the need for attention or superiority. Plain and simple, stop going around and correcting people. I've seen people on here responding to somebody's posts stating their experience and the response reads "YOU ARE WRONG". Give me a freaking break. It really ticks me off to see new people coming on here and running off those who have been here so long, and running them off because they keep getting corrected for NOTHING. Some people come on here and post as if their words are holy and everybody else is wrong.

Hell, I got corrected by somebody because I said I agree with Fins! Give me a freaking break already. I think I know who I agree with and that doesn't need correcting.

someone corrected you for agreeing with me??? Wow.

Steelers, you're right. There have been some bad manners around here lately. But that doesn't sum up the "new people". It's only been a few..And they don't post very often..Who have made us feel this way. There are some..Sassy, Leah, Moondanzer(among others) who have been an asset. And anyway, they're not even new anymore.
I think that's where a lot of this confusion happened. There have been some verbal attacks..In pm and on the board..Against a group of us. We're tired of it, and want to fight back. Plain and simple. We want to get this board back to how it was. All the people here, old and new, who are answering posts and helping, are the ones who are going to bring it back. I don't know why it happened..I suspect it all stems from Doug Danger and Beauty, but we can't have an old/new war. Obviously I was new once, and Steelers was new, and so was everyone else..And we never had problems..So there is no reason for there to be any now.
It will all work out.

I don't know who you are referring to but I know myself I have never told anybody they are wrong and I never would because what the heck do I know? I never claimed to be holier than anyone. I just want to be a part of this forum and help people like I have been helped by so many, and hopefully make some new friends along the way. Maybe the people that are doing this need to be called out because I think that others are getting caught up in all of this and getting hurt and wanting to leave because of all this hostility that is going around towards the new people. If I have offended anyone in any way, call me out. I would want to know if I was pissing people off or acting like a know it all. All I try to be is a caring person to everyone here.

Sassy, you know how I feel.
You have never been anything but an asset here..Like most people. Dude, you've been here almost 2 months..That's a lifetime in debtcc world!
I have absolutely no beef with any new people. Most of them know more than I do. No one else has any beef that I know of either. I don't know how it got to be like this. I wish we could be more specific about what has really made us mad, but I suspect that it would cause more damage than good. Y'all would be surprised..Because any of you reading this right now..You're not the one.

Steelers: were you referring to me, because I was having a good time agreeing with everyone. It was a little joke. I thought we were all in on the kidding around.

Steelers was not referring to you!!!!!!!!! LOL!!

I too, want anyone that I offend to say it, so that I know if I am coming across the wrong way. I usually only attack collectors.

One word....begins with S, let ya guess what it ends with.

I read the thread, but didn't see who you were talking about.

keep on attacking. I'll say it again..If you're on this thread, you're probably not the problem.

different threads, Anthony.

{{finsfan13}} you are such a sweetheart. Steelers, I saw a thread today that I was completely astounded by and I know who you are referring to. All I can say is OMG I cannot believe anyone would be so freakin rude!!!!! I had to reread it a few times to make sure I was understanding what was being said. If someone talked to me like that I would probably want to leave too!!!! I am completely understanding this all so much better now!

I welcome any corrections to my posts. I am here as a learning experience as well.

I had a talk with Tammy. She is doing ok. She didn't stop posting in this place because of the posts in this forums, but for some other personal reasons, and I think the decision she has taken is right at the moment. We will offer our support and help. She says she loves you all and has made many close friends here. :)

Tammy, please take care of yourself and let me know whatever happens.

Guys, remember one thing. You are PRICELESS. No one can change your image from what you are. Believe in yourself. It's your own personal feeling that makes you feel good or bad. When someone passes a dirty comment, probably because s/he has nothing better to look at and is feeling insulted. You should take pride and think that you are doing right.

Mike,

Thanks for letting us know that you talked to Tammy. I'm sure I will continue our friendship via e-mail. I know she's had so much going on since I first met her. I will keep her in my prayers :-)

Mike, thank you for the update on Tammy - it means a lot to us.

I think the attacks on each other on the site have reached a new all-time low. I think the advice given on another thread (by Mishele or Cajun, can't remember, not enough coffee yet, sorry) was extremely valuable. If you have a problem with someone's advice, try to correct them gently or take it to pm if you feel you can't do it publicly. Don't go on the attack and blatantly tell them they're wrong - it really causes hard feelings.

I so agree with you suebee! Nobody likes to be corrected in a rude way. There are way more diplomatic ways to work things like that out then to be mean about it as I have seen done in another area of the forum.

All I am saying is this: If you read through some of the posts above, it would lead anyone to feel like because they are not "old timers" feel worthless and to be honest, I think I have done a lot to help out esp. because some of you "old timers" have been away for a while. I felt someone had to do it. And I personally don't think that I have ever! verbally attacked anyone saying that they were wrong because for the most part, I don't know if they are wrong. I try my best to give the info that I know and move on.

Leah, I agree with you...I would feel exactly the way you do right now. BUT..Never anywhere did any of us attack any new people. I don't know how the new people thing started, but it's not the issue here. No, you have never verbally attacked anyone, most people haven't. It's really tough when people are getting threatening pms and have people posting under their name.
Obviously, we "old timers" talk amongst ourselves. The issues we talk about have NEVER included new people. We mainly miss the comraderie that used to be here..And we are determined to get that back. A lot of my old friends are gone from here. Tammy emailed me as well, and none of her reasons for leaving include new people. I took a break a few weeks ago, and my reason had nothing to do with new people. Yep, a lot of us have gotten dissalusioned here, but it has nothing to do with YOU. Please believe that. Yes, there are some problem people around here, but none of them are regulars, I assure you..And they're not even new!
I know some people took offense to me saying that WE are the ones responsible for the board being what it is. It's not an insult..We came and we stuck around. a bunch of us..Me, Mishele, Tammy, Polly, Sue, Jessi, Bossy, Erzeke.. were having some serious debt problems at the same time. We all helped each other out, and we all got through them together. We want everyone to work together like that again. This has got to stop...How the hell can any of us accomplish anything if we're always fighting?
So please..Don't leave.

Heres the thing....It would appear that you all don't want any of us newer members in the inner circle...This has all become so clickish I feel as though I am in high school all over again. Some of the posts I am reading through are just juvenile anymore. I do my best and I will continue to try and do my best to help people but its clear that I am an outsider and therefore will no longer try to be a part of anything more. I will not be posting in the pub unless it is to say congrats or my prayers are with you. I mean for crying out loud, the other day we (sass, myself, and Tweety)got yelled out for joking around in the pub where we are supposed to joke! I mean its like whatever! If everytime I do something I am going to have to worry about stepping on someones toes then all I am going to do is answer the questions that I can and move on without saying anything further.

Leah -

I'm not sure if I should post this, but you kind of touched on something that I was feeling not long ago.

I kept seeing posts referring to the "old timers", and naming names - when a few of those called "old timers" hadn't been here that much longer than I had. I have to admit, I got a little offended, but once I thought about it, I realized I shouldn't be getting offended by it. It's just a phrase, a way of saying something - just words. Why should I let that bother me? I like the people here, and I know for a fact that not one of them is trying to offend anyone by their use of the phrase "old timers".

I don't think it's clique-ish here. There is a core group of people that have been here longer than most, yes, and they do tend to hang together - no one has ever said you weren't welcome, and I think it's already been stated that no one intended to exclude you.

We always welcome newcomers to the fold - some stay, some don't. I hope you will stay - you have much to offer to the community and you're working towards learning all you can about debt and credit issues as you go along, so you can help others. (As we all are - learning more every day.) That's an honorable undertaking, and you should be proud to be a part of the community! :D

Suebee, you really said it well!
Leah, I'm sorry someone told you not to joke around in pub..That's total BS. That's what pub is for, and believe me, I have really blown up some steam in Pub!! Don't avoid it.
No one has ever said you aren't welcome. I am sorry you feel that way. Why wouldn't you be welcome here?Also, why would you worry about stepping on anyone's toes? No one is in charge of this board, it's community managed. And as long as you're here you are a part of the community.
I'll say it again..I'm sorry you feel this way. I myself am going to make a commitment to make sure no one feels like they don't belong. If I piss you off, I'm sorry, I guess there isn't anything I can do to change that.
Frankly, I'm tired of this thread. There is no old/new war. No one dislikes anyone else. There is room on this board for everyone. As far as the clique thing...Do you have a group of people you talk to more than others? Exactly. We all do. Let's just work together, ok?

Honestly, I really don't talk to a lot of people by pm on here anymore. There are a few I drop lines to every now and then or vice versa. I don't take it personally. I just understand that people are busy. The weather is getting nicer so people want to be outside. I know that I haven't been around much lately but I always think about you guys. I wish you all the best. Leah, I can understand your point. No one is trying to take anything away from anybody. I understand where Fins is coming from because we all fumbled through the pdl mess together. We didn't know anything about state laws but we learned together. We helped each other out by giving pointers to what worked and what didn't work. Polly shed a whole new light on that for us. So I guess a strong bond was formed but I also talk to a lot of new members as well. No one wants anyone to leave or at least I don't. I'm sorry you were jumped in the pub for just joking around. That is what it was it is meant for. Believe me, I have been silly in there as well as vented. Leah, if you ever need anything, feel free to pm me. Even if it's just to vent. What you tell me, stays with me. :-)

Leah,I posted in that topic with you ladies and I do not want to see anyone leave.I got your back for as long as I am here online.

I cannot believe the people I have touched and helped during my time here. I am very proud to have been a member of this board and I will be back someday and start posting again.

Good to see you!! I will miss you,take care,and keep us posted. As far as new or old, we need to drop the labels. I don't consider myself as new, old,or in between. I don't have alot of time to post sometimes-that doesn't mean I am leaving anyone out,just means I am busy!! I have a mom with 18% of her heart left living with me, a grown son that is disabled-yada,yada!! If I have offened anyone-I am sorry. I don't come here to directly poke at anyone or leave them out. I try to welcome all, and help with questions. Even if I am not posting, I am available,just PM me, and I will help or support you. We all have to do our part and try to be part of, instead of apart from..KAren

Well said Karen, I will pray to God that everything is ok with you and your family. You have always been so nice to everyone here. No one can question that you ever judged people here.

Thank you so much for the kind words!! You know, I figure all of us are doing the best we can with what we have. I just put one foot in front of the other every day, and see how I can be of service to others-gets me out of my stuff :lol: ..Karen

We all quarrel when we stay together in a family. There are differences, but that doesn't mean that we get apart from everyone. I always see this in my personal life and family. If one bad thing at the moment can make us to decide about leaving, why not think of all the good times because of which we got together and make a family. Can one bad thing spoil all the good things within us? Remember, one bad day cannot take away all the good times we shared together.