pay day loan hell

Rgardner
Please calm down, Listen and follow the advice that these great people give you. They have all been where we are , and know how we feel. Since I have found this forum, I have learned how not to be depressed and fullof panic.I listen and learn, and follow all advice.You are in the right place. this site and these people are a gift

I am in a PDL nightmare. I had to close my old bank account and have opened a new one, but have had threats from Westbury Ventures that they will search a data bank and get into my new account. I am worried that they can do this, does anyone know if they can legally do this? Please help!!!!!

Fom what i have read from other posts, westbury is great at making threats. I am not sure if they can do that, but i dont know for sure. Someone will be along soon , who can better guide. Calm dowm, you are in the right place for help

janine, what state are you in?

From what I learned from state's legal aide department legally they can not do that, (I got the same threatening email) the only way they could even attempt to get any $ out of your account is if they have your routing number and account number or new account. Hopefully you have closed that account and opened a new one up at a totally different bank. Do not apply for anymore PDL's that is a sure fire way of protecting yourself from any other unauthorized ACH's.

ladybug

Lady
what she is afraid of is that they threatened to get into a bank data base and find her new bank info.
I wonder if they can do that. If its that easy why dont they all do it?????

Regarding AIP, I faxed/sent letters, complained to all the agencies people here told me (BBB, FTC, California Dept of Corp.). So far they are trying to tell me that paying a total of $1157 in "fees" doesn't apply to the principal...CRAP! So, we'll see. Keep you guys posted...THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP EVERYONE!!

There is a thread on here from the other day where goudah was posting regarding this same issue. I would google search this site for westbury ventures and see if the posts come up regarding what goudah stated.

I just received an email from the BBB and they said that I WILL be getting a refund from AIP in the mail. Well I guess I will have to wait and see. It would really come in handy because my husband is laid off and my parents lost a lot in the great flood of 2007 in Findlay, Ohio. So I would give them some cash to help out with the little stuff. Anything is better than nothing. It is sso noce to finally be able to breath again. Thank You all for ALL the help and the support. I have managed to get PIF for some of my PDL.

Oh! That sucks! I have a friend in Findlay too.

You should be getting the refund from AIP. They are usually very good about that sort of thing.

Rgardner1-can you sign up for the site so I can send you a pm? I know of some resources in Findlay that may be able to help your parents out also!!

GFSIL -$200.00
GFS-$200.00
paydayloan.com-$200.00
tendollarpaydayloan.com-$200.00
These are some of the loans I taken out by internet, some I had to close out my bank acct. because they continue to try to withdraw fund that were not able.

I sent some information about my problem and I've looked on this site and found many helpful things. I still want to know what the laws are for Nevada as that is where I live I have about 9 pay day loans now. Help I can't get out of the box.

dove, here are the Nevada state pdl laws for you:(just select your state),

http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/paydayloan/explain-pdls-laws.html

How do I contact you for advice and what information do you need? Thank you in advance.

Embarrassed, there is no need to be!!!!We have all been there, and there is light at the end of the tunnel. Please start your own thread, and tell us what you want help with. We will respond with the info you need to send us.
It will be easier once you start your thread, so info is not getting mixed up

Both my husband and I have each been involved with
Cashland, Advance American, and First American Cash Advance since approximately August of 2005. We used to have perfect credit with them as we continued to pay back and renew each payday. As everyone else knows this just dug our debt hole deeper. We both now have good jobs and want to get our finances in order and not pay out these huge fees. Our plan was to close our checking account and just pay them each back in payments. Both Advance America and First American has accepted our terms of repayment and there is not a problem. Cashland however, is another story. My husband owes 587.86 and I still owe about 300.00. We have made consistant payments, however the Cashland Collection Dept. Reps have continually called and really made some awful threats and have not been real nice to say the least. They have called me at work and kept me on the phone for almost 10 minutes at a time. I finally just said, this conversation is over, have a nice day. Last evening the guy told me that they were going to garnish my husband's wages and we would not have any money. That was after I told him that we were late paying our house payment due to the large lump sum we paid on my Cashland debt last week. Please help me if you can. This is physically making me ill. We are trying so hard. Thanks again.

I just sent a message and forgot to put my name and subject. It started out with Both my husband and I.... and the last says, We are trying so hard. Thanks again. Please reply and let me know that you received it. Thank you again.

Can you please start ypur own thread. It is getting too confusing. Go to Pay day loan help
click on new topic, and start from there.

I HAVE BEEN PAYING ON A PAYDAY LOAN FOR OVER A YEAR. HOW CAN I GET OUT OF THIS??? THE COMPANYS NAME IS EMERALD MARKETING. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!! :evil:

i have about 10 payday loans which I have been paying the finance fees each week so I can payoff other ones which i have now set up payments on. I have put a debit freeze on my account on my checking acct. I have opened another account for other bills and have not given this one to any of them. What would be the next step to go? I am from washington and so would like to know the pdl laws in my state.

Thank you!

Hi kmil780750r,
You should start your own thread in the PDL section, that way you would get more help. First we need to know the company name, how much the loan was for and how much you have paid to date. I am posting the info for WA from Goudah, its pretty straightforward, but someone with a little more experience should be along to help out.

From there depending on if the companies are legal or not, you would want to file complaints for the illegal companies with the BBB, FTC & banking department for WA. You also need to send them a cease & desist letter revoking your electronic withdrawl authorization, revoking your authorization to contact references and any wage assignments that you may have signed. Here are the laws:

Quote:
Washington State Information

Legal Status: Legal (Lender must have a small loan endorsement to their check casher license in order to make payday loans)

Citation:
Wash. Rev. Code Ann. ???? 31.45.010 et seq.

Loan Terms:
Maximum Loan Amount: $700
Loan Term: Max: 45 days
Maximum Finance Rate and Fees: 15%: first $500; 10%: remaining portion of the loan in excess of $500 up to the $700 maximum
Finance Charge for 14-day $100 loan: $15
apr for 14-day $100 loan: 390%

Debt Limits:
Maximum Number of Outstanding Loans at One Time: A company cannot hold a check or checks in an aggregate face amount of more than $700 plus allowable fees from any one borrower at any one time.
Rollovers Permitted: None (cannot repay loan with proceeds of another)
Cooling-off Period:
Repayment Plan: A company and a borrower may voluntarily enter a payment plan at any time. A borrower, however, has a right to convert a small loan to a statutory payment plan after four successive loans and prior to default on the last loan.

Collection Limits:
Collection Fees: $25 NSF fee (one time per instrument); collection costs (excluding attorney's fees, interest and damages)
Criminal Action: Prohibited

Where to Complain, Get Information:
Regulator: Washington Department of Financial Institutions
Address: Division of Consumer Services, PO Box 41200 Olympia WA 98504
Phone: (360) 902-8700
Fax: (360) 725-7827
Regulatory Contact: Chuck Cross,, Director of Consumer Services


Emails to and from the DFI:

From: James Rogersen [mailto:james.rogersen@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 5:08 PM
To: Bortner, Deb (DFI)
Subject: Payday Loan Information



Good Afternoon,

My name is James Rogersen. I have extensive knowledge about some of the internet lenders preying on Washington consumers. I write extensively about them at usapaydayloan.net. My main question, however, is whether or not it is legal for an out of state licensed payday lender to lend to Washington residents without having a Washington license. A response would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,
James Rogersen

Reply:

Subject: RE: Payday Loan Information
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:54:38 -0700
From: "Leslie, Berri L (DFI)" Add Mobile Alert
To: "James Rogersen"

Good morning,

Thank you for your question. Yes, to lend money to Washington residents an entity, even out of state, must be licensed.

Berri Leslie, Program Manager

Administration and Licensing

Department of Financial Institutions

Division of Consumer Services

(360) 725-7839

(360) 664-2258 (Fax)

What does this mean?

Internet companies must be licensed by WA and follow WA law.

Specific rates may be charged.

No rollovers are allowed.

Unlicensed lenders cannot collect on the loans.

Thanks to James for providing this info

Some banks will not close or freeze your account, in this case ask the bank manager to fill out a Compromise Authorization form and fax to their Fraud department. You have to open a new account the same time you fill the form out, explain to the bank the position you are in, and they will assist you.

Good luck, you are not alone!

Have you gone to your bank/credit union for a personal line of credit?

I also am in deep trouble with payday loans. I went to my bank after reading your advice, but they won't close my account because it is in overdraft. They also said that everytime these people try to get their money it would reopen the account. They suggested that I get the account back to zero and they would close the account and move my money to a new account. However, when I pressed them, they said it would still be a problem if the companies kept debiting my account. So I went to my company and stopped the direct deposit. Next payday I will get a paper check and can pay my rent and utilities first, then use any thing left to try to pay for some of the overdraft charges. It won't pay it all and I still will need to make arrangements to pay them, some very new, and some older. I really don't know what to do. I live in Texas. My loans are with Cashnet Usa, GECC, Vince enterprises, paycheck today, cash direct express, good time cash, Magnum cash,

I know Magnum is illegal.
I think Vince is as well.

There may be an issue with CashNet USA. They practice as a CSO but I know their bond expired in Texas but I am still not sure if that makes them illegal.

You can check the Texas database to see if they are legal but you have to check both the payday one and the CSO one.

CSO database.

Payday database.

Make sure you use the wildcard in the CSO one. You can read about how to at the bottom of the page.

If they are a CSO they do not follow the payday loan laws.

Is this a legit company? I can repay the payday loan within 60 days, that's not a problem, but I am afraid to give anyone my bank account information. They need it to do an auto deposit when you are qualified for the PDL, and presumably take money from that same account on agreed days to repay them. Do they abuse the bank account information and take more than agreed upon? Are there any online companies that you can trust? Are honorable and legit? Please reply ASAP I'm really in a bind!!! By the way, I'm in Washington state, if that matters. Thanks.

Considering their contact information is a gmail account, there is no phone number or address to contact them and when you try to leave a pop up comes up asking you are you sure you don't want the cash, I am going to definalty illegal and unlicensed.

I just want to thank this website and everyone else for putting in their input. After reading things on this website I took action and sent an ACH revocation letter to the companies that I have loans with. I also called the Texas Secretary of the State and the Office of Consumer Credit Commissioner & found out that they are not registered nor are they licensed to do business in the state of Texas. I received an e-amil today from one of the companies (Loan Point USA) that states.....

Thank you for your email to Customer Service at Loan Point USA. Congratulations! The company has marked your loan as paid in full. According to our records, your loan balance is now zero. If you need further assistance regarding this matter, please contact Customer Service. The office hours are Monday thru Thursday; 8am to 7 pm, Friday; 8am to 6pm Mountain Standard time.

I was so happy I wanted to cry!! This is a great victory one down 3 to go!!!! With loan point usa I had overpaid what I borrowed by $200.00. I told them they could keep my $200.00 if they would consider my loan paid in full!!

Thank you for all the help!! I plan to keep working on the rest!!

Glad we could help. Best of luck to you :wink:

Do you have to set up a new account at a different bank? I checked with my bank and after closing my current account, they assured me no one could get at my new account without the account information.