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Date: Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:02

Submitted by anonymous
on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:02

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I am being sued for $9000, I sent a letter to the debt collector who purchased the debt from another debt collector asking him to verify the debt he replied by sending me a piece of paper that has the name of the original creditor and the amount that I owe, I am not sure if this good enough, what do you think guys? Now his attorney filed a lawsuit against me. They want me to pay either $ 750 a month or $7500 in cash which I don’t have right now. I tried to get a lawyer and he wants to charge me $2000 to take my case. From economic stand point, should I call the Debt Collector and try to negotiate again or get a lawyer and see if he can fight it in court. Any suggestions would be helpful,

Thanks


Get a lawyer, but look at NACA.net and get a lawyer who knows FCRA and fdcpa. You can defend yourself, but you will need to do lots of research. Basically what they sen't doesn't even come close to validation. At court you can force them to validate by requesting it in discovery, then when they can't provide it, you motion to get the case dismissed with prejudice AND countersue for violations...they already violated by not validating properly and taking you to court.


lrhall41

Submitted by goldenbast on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:57

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ok, some thoughts

first, this lawyer, is he representing himself, or is he representing the CA you have previously been dealing with? This is important for many reasons--for example, you asked for validation from the CA. If this attorney is a collection attorney and the debt is now his, then you would have to ask for validation from him now. Validation must be requested from each new owner of the debt if it passes hands. A lot of lawyers are collectors as well, so this is a good possibility.

Next, the order of events. Did they serve you with the summons before or after you requested validation? If the same creditor still owns the debt, and you asked for validation before they filed a lawsuit, then the lawsuit is not legal. fdcpa does not allow a CA to continue any collection efforts once they have received a DV request, until they have satisfied that request. I hope you still have copies of your DV letter, proof that they received it, and their letter in response--it is all evidence if this is the case.

If they started the lawsuit before you asked for validation, then you need to file a motion for discovery in court and demand proper validation that way. If they cannot provide it, then as golden said, request dismissal with prejudice. "with prejudice" is important-it means that they cannot sue you over this debt ever again.

But I just wanted to point that out--this is not an automatic case of FDCPA violations. It depends on who actually owns this debt still and what order the events happened in. Can you clarify these for us? The paperwork you have about the lawsuit will name the plaintiff--if it is the same as the attorney's office, then the attorney owns the debt. If it is the same as the collector you sent that DV request to, then they still own it.


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 14:03

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The attorney doesn't own the debt they representing the debt collector who purchased the debt from another debt collector. the original creditor charged off the account. I sent the validation letter to the debt collector first and he replied by sending me the original creditor name and the amount I owe. His attorney sent me a letter asking to pay or I can dispute it withing 30 days and they will suspend collection until they validate, so I did send the attorney a DV letter anyway and they didn't validate, two weeks later I recieved the courts papers. how do I file for discovery is there a format I have to follow and when, I have to answer the court by monday or the lawsuit. Thanks


lrhall41

Submitted by on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 04:11

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OK, reed--when you sent the attorney the DV letter, did you send it certified mail return receipt?
Please tell me you did.....if so, you will have the green card that the USPS sends to you as proof that they got this letter from you.
If you have this, you need to use it as grounds for dismissal of the entire case, because if they got a DV letter from you and then filed a complaint in court without answering the DV first, they just illegally filed suit. Federal law does not allow any debt collector to take any collection action against you once they get a DV letter from you--until they have satisfied your DV request. You will need the green card from that letter and a copy of the letter itself.
If you have these items, then in your answer to the court, you must make mention of this. Basically, after you answer the paragraphs in plaintiff's complaint, you then type a paragraph that will read something like this:
[quote][/quote]
Sorry to make that so long, when I get onto something I can drag it out sometimes....
But you get the idea. Also, if you sent these letters by CMRR, you will also want to include a copy of the letter you sent to the CA as well as the card from USPS on that one. I really hope you sent them that way. Otherwise, you will have a hard time proving that you sent those DV letters. Unless, of course, the response letter you got from the CA actually mentions the DV letter you sent them. Something like "in response to your request", for example. If something like that is on there, you will be able to show that you requested it, the CA never provided it, and then continued to act anyways.


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 08:03

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Skydiver, Thank you for your reply, I sent the DV letter to the Debt Collector certified mail and they did reply to my Letter but like I said it only had the amount and the original creditor that was there validation, for the attorney I sent them DV letter via express mail and I have the tracking number and checked on USPS website that it was received and they denied they received when I called them, but I was told that the attorney who is representing the debt collector does not have to validate. But the reason I sent the attorney the DV letter because they told me by writting they will validate if I requested and they will suspend collection. what do you think.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 08:42

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here's the thing--the attorney's office lied to you if they told you that they do not have to validate. The fdcpa, in section 803, makes it clear that this attorney is in fact a debt collector by definition, and therefore is subject to all the laws in the same way. This is why they sent you the letter with the disclaimer on it about "if you dispute within 30 days" because the same federal law requires them to disclose that to you. They are lying--its what lawyers are good at.

OK, so you have proof that they received it--perfect. The tracking information when combined with the receipt will show where you sent it and that they got it. That will work. Now, there is some disagreement as to the timing issue--by that, I mean this...how long after the first letter from the lawyer did they file this complaint with the court? They gave you 30 days to dispute it, but if they filed the suit in court before that 30 days expired, that could work in your favor as well.

Now, you need to gather up all the receipts from sending those letters, all the copies of the letters themselves, and copies fo all the letters they sent to you. Hopefully you still have everything. If you do, let me know, and I will help you write the answer you need to send to the court. It looks like they screwed up big time and you stand a good chance of getting this case dismissed. You want to make sure that you move for dismissal "with prejudice". That means they cannot ever sue you again on this debt. Without prejudice allows them to bring suit again in the future if they dig up more evidence.

Let me know if you have all those receipts/letters. We will go from there.


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 10:06

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Skydiver, Thank you so much for educating me , The lawsuit was filed after the 30 day. I do have all the letters with receipts, and I did get the form from the court to answer the lawsuit by monday. Can you guide what to write in the form, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. for your information I was looking at the district court web site and found ou that this debt collector had filed at least 50 lawsuit in the last year and won all of them by default. this was free information that was provided on the website Interesting?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 11:22

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More than likely the reason why they won those cases is because those people didn't show up in court and so the judge granted a default judgment. Don't let that happen to you. Someone will be along shortly to advise you...maybe send a pm to lawstudent...just a suggestion since you are on such a short time frame.


lrhall41

Submitted by ladybug on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 11:33

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OK, when it comes to a summons, there are going
to be some paragraphs, most likely they will be numbered. It may look
something like this:

??This is just an example, of course, but this is how you handle this part:










OK, when it comes to a
summons, there are going to be some paragraphs, most likely they will
be numbered. It may look something like this:










Quote:

1) Plaintiff asserts that defendant is a resident of XYZ County, State.
2) Plaintiff states that defendant opened a credit card account on or about (whatever date).3) Defendant used this charge account until it was charged off on (date).
4) Plaintiff was assigned ownership of this debt on (date).
5) Defendant currently owes (amount) outstanding, including interest and latefees.



This is just an example, of course, but this is how you handle this part:










Quote:
(if you live in the county they stated)1) Defendant affirms that (he/she) resides in XYZ County, State.
2) Defendant denies the plaintiff's statements in Paragraph 2.
3) Defendant denies the statements made in Paragraph 3.
4) Defendant denies the statements made in Paragraph 4.
5) Defendant denies the statements made in Paragraph 5.
AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE
Defendant hereby moves that this case be dismissed with prejudice,
on the grounds that it was unlawfully filed by the plaintiff and
plaintiff's counsel. On (date), Defendant sent a request for debt
validation to plaintiff. Plaintiff responded with only the name of the
original creditor and the amount then alleged to be owed. Please find
attached defendant's validation request, hereto known as Defendant's
Exhibit A; also attached are the proof of receipt of this letter by
plaintiff, hereto known as Defendant's Exhibit B, and plaintiff's
response as noted above, hereto known as Defendant's Exhibit C. Since
Plaintiff's reply does not constitute legal debt validation, any
further action taken by plaintiff to collect on this debt is unlawful,
as per section 809, Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
Defendant then received a letter from plaintiff's counsel on
(date), hereto attached and known as Defendant's Exhibit D. In response
to this letter, Defendant sent a debt validation request to plaintiff's
counsel, hereto attached and known as Defendant's Exhibit E. Please
also find attached and hereto known as Defendant's Exhibit F, the proof
of receipt by plaintiff's counsel of this validation request. To date,
plaintiff's counsel has not responded to this validation request. This
lawsuit was filed subsequent to both requests for validation.
Plaintiff's counsel most definitely fits the description of "debt
collector" as established by section 803, Fair Debt Collection
Practices Act, and therefore is required to abide by this law.
Plaintiff and plaintiff's counsel are both independently in
violation of section 809, Fair Debt Collection Practices Act by filing
this complaint while ignoring repeated validation requests. Thus,
defendant asks that this case be immediately dismissed with prejudice.

At that time, you can also file a countersuit for fdcpa violations, and
I would recommend doing so. Just so you know, each FDCPA violation
means that they owe you $1,000.00 plus any actual damages. If you
countersue, you can then put them in the hot seat where they belong.














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lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 14:42

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