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Negotiating A Settlement with a CA

Date: Sun, 07/27/2008 - 13:23

Submitted by NASCAR_Devil
on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 13:23

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In my opinion, hardly anything can be accomplished with a debt collector by mail. They just are not geared to negotiate by mail and 99% will simply refuse.

I know that lots of posters on this forum repeat the mantra "STAY OFF THE PHONE - NEVER TALK TO A DEBT COLLECTOR". I agree with that for the most part especially if they catch you off guard. The reality is though, in order to negotiate a settlement, the phone is an excellent tool.

Now, in fairness, collectors are trained to talk on the phone -- you are not. But, this is not brain surgery. All you need is a plan that will allow you to control the conversation.

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How to negotiate a settlement:

1. Plan your call and set your goals before calling. Set your goals for the communication prior to beginning the conversation. What do you what to accomplish? If you want a payment plan, the collector is going to need to know your financial info to be able to justify it to his boss. If you want a settlement, the collector will have to know why one is justified.

When you have your goal for the conversation in mind, you can anticipate what the collector will want to know or ask. This will allow you to steer the conversation and guide it toward what you want. If the collector calls and you aren't ready – tell him that you need a minute and pull your thoughts together.

2. Organize Your Thoughts. You know what your goal is. Ex: You want to settle for 50%, start negotiations @ 25%. Now, set up a logical progression for the call. Keep the conversations moving toward your’ goal. Don't introduce distractions and don't follow the side path the collector will layout for you. But above all remember, if you don't know what you are going to say, you probably won't say what you want.

3. Make no solid agreement on your first phone call.

4. Talk to the collector. That doesn't mean allow them to berate, insult or harass you. If you are being mistreated on the phone, tell them how you are feeling and if they don't change their tune – END the call. However, that also means don't threaten, insult or yell at the collector either. If the conversation goes bad – just hang up. An argument will not help you.

That said, if the collector doesn't know your situation, he can't go to bat for you with his manager (collectors have very little authority to make a deal and anything significant you are asking for will require higher approval -- perhaps several levels higher). And if you don't communicate well, he won't. You need to provide the supporting information for the goal you set in step one. If you can only pay $25 a month, you will have to justify that to the collector. If you can't make it sound reasonable, it isn't going fly. But remember, the collector works on commission. If you make the payment plan reasonable and support your goal with facts and figures regarding your economic position, he will likely take the deal and move on to the next account.


5. Make sure you have the money to pay an agreed settlement immediately

6. Sit at a table with a notepad. Take notes of everything being said. (The collector will I promise you). If you are able, record the conversation. If you are in a 2 party state, you will need to inform the other party of the recording.

7. When you are talking to the collector, describe where the funds to settle is coming from (for example, the money you will be paying this is with is being given to you by your wife's uncle or something like that -- he has offered you $x - with x being your starting point in the negotiations).

8. Remember X is all the money you have to work with on this call. If the negotiation goes higher and you hit your goal tell them you have to have it in writing so you can bring it to your uncle and ask for more.

9. Make no promise to pay without the written settlement agreement. Don't pay or make a promise to pay on the first call.

10. Remember you are dealing with trained negotiators. If the collector becomes excited or you feel is getting abusive simply say, "Obviously we both want to take care of this, but I feel you and I aren't communicating well. May please speak with your supervisor?"


11. Relax. Inhale. You have just been through a stressful situation. And, it is the collector's job to make it a more stressful if you aren't paying. After you hang up with the collector don't talk to your family for at least 10 minutes. Just pause and remember, nobody is going to die over this. While it is important, don't let a debt destroy your relationship with your family. You will not get the result you wanted in one call – most times


12. It will take more than one call to do this right. You will need to take copious notes and make sure you get the names of who you talk to.

13. If you are concerned that you will not be able to handle the negotiation yourself, there are professional negotiators -- just stay away from the internet settlement companies unless you enjoy putting all your money in a pile and setting it on fire. An ethical settlement professional will work for a percentage of what they save you and will not want any money in advance of results that satisfy you.

Keep track of your calls, who you talked to and about what. You cannot take too many notes while you are opening the lines of communication and negotiating a debt.


A final thought. As I said above, the collector you get on the phone has virtually no authority. Sometimes, he is constrained by factors beyond his control (limits imposed by the original creditor or by the business plan of the CA). If after going through the above steps and the collector says "no", don't automatically assume he is playing with you. Wait two weeks and try again. It that does not work try again during the last 2 or 3 days of a month on the end of a calendar quarter when goals and commissions become intense motivators for the collector and the CA.

If, after working your plan through several cycles without results, then perhaps you re-evaluate or give up. Sometimes it is just a bridge too far for reasons beyond your control.


Great post!

However, my own little success story, I was able to settle with one of my JDB's via mail for a $12k balance for 60% in 36 payments! They emailed me the settlement agreement and in the agreement, they also agreed to delete it from the credit reports once it was paid off AND with the settlement agreement, the interest has stopped accruing. what a deal!

I am just glad that I didnt have to talk to them.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Thu, 09/04/2008 - 10:33

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Guest,

First of all (I'm new to this) what is a JDB? I like the thought of settling my credit cards for 60% over the next 36 months, which I think my creditors might go for because I haven't paid them in several months now and I'm getting very nervous about what they might do next. I'm scared to death to talk with them because I don't want them to get nasty with me. Did you initiate the arrangements with your creditors or were they calling you? Can you send me your letter that you used to make these arrangements. I would like to give it a try. Did you request that they delete it from your credit reports once it was paid off and that the interest stopped accruing?

I have had lots of luck through this forum with my payday loans, I'm moving on to my credit cards. I really would prefer to not have to go through the debt settlement company and pay the fees. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Tue, 09/09/2008 - 15:05

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The tips were for dealing with CA's and JDB's, not so much the original creditor. Depending on whether or not you are w/in SOL and how close reporting period is to expiring, JDB's are easier to deal with IMHO. If the CA is working for the JDB, they are given a guideline for settlement but they still have to have it approved by the owner of the debt. If you can go straight to the JDB to negotiate, you eliminate the middleman. Since they paid a small percentage for the debt complared to the actual amount, you can generally get them down to 25-35%. They are still making a good profit from that. Just remember that if you are still w/in SOL, it may be best to let sleeping dogs lie. If there are still several years of reporting period remaining, the JDB still has the upper hand because they can continue to report. YMMV


lrhall41

Submitted by NASCAR_Devil on Wed, 09/10/2008 - 08:37

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Nascar, you are the best! Thanks for taking your time and writing this post!

I am in the process of trying to get some rhyme and reason to my debt. I paid off two and I have 5 left. I want to tackle three more before the end of the month.

I spoke too most of them in the past couple of weeks but i think i will wait till the last week of the month and try to pay them off.

However, it is so hard to get them to mail me something. They want the money right then and there! LOL, i know i haven't made a payment in over 4 years but can i get a statement. They laugh when I tell them i need it in writing because i want a paper trail! How rude.

Some offer to fax me something? Is that legit? I don't have a fax machine and I asked them to email but they say that is illegal.....

However, OMNI (the CA of my macy's account) emailed me my information.


lrhall41

Submitted by changetobedebtfree on Wed, 09/17/2008 - 17:53

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NASCARDEVIL..............good stuff here!! Gosh!! Sometimes I feel so 'disorganized' when it comes to debt issues, I don't know where to start. I've gotten a few 'Settlement Offers' in the mail, about past accounts and credit cards. Should I NOT call until I have the money in hand....what they are asking for? What should I do? Settle for what I CAN afford, instead of what they are asking?


lrhall41

Submitted by sdchargers_63 on Wed, 09/17/2008 - 22:41

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Know what ya mean, THOVELY1...feel nervous about trying to settle for less. Also.....have a question about a CA. I had Peak Financial yesterday. They were calling about a debt I have. Here's the crazy thing.............on the debt that Peak says they owe, I am paying ANOTHER CA for this debt. I tried to call the OTHER CA. There was no answer. Anyway.......Global Acceptance owns this certain debt, that I am paying on. However.........Peak Financial says that THEY own it. What do I do?


lrhall41

Submitted by sdchargers_63 on Fri, 09/19/2008 - 09:15

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I have a CA on my case due to Prudential Financial (my former employer in Life Insurance and Investment sales) recapturing commission for contracts that the client(s) didn't keep for over 1-yr.


1) What is best method of obtaining my credit report to check if any derogatory entries have been made as a result of this Prudential commission fiasco? I have a friend that works as the finance director at a local new car dealership. Should I have him pull my reports from the 3 CRAs, or should I do it myself? What will impact my credit least?
Also, would the derogatory remarks already appear on my credit report if this fiasco just begun on Tuesday? In other words, should I wait a week or two more before pulling my credit report in order to check that it is the most accurate and up-to-date report available?

2) Once settlement has been accepted, final check has been cashed, what further steps, if any, do I need to take to make sure that these jokers at Stuart Allen & Associates delete/close my file AND also, that they don't sell it off to junk debt buyers?

Also, once debt is settled, would it be a better time to go after the CA and Prudential (as co-defendant) because they pulled my credit report illegally due to the disputed 'transaction' stemming from recaptured commissions and NOT an actual credit transaction? (i.e., CA won't be able to begrudgingly refuse settlement offer or hit my credit report with more derogatory entries because the case will be closed and settled).

Thanks!!


lrhall41

Submitted by egotypical on Sat, 09/20/2008 - 00:28

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Well.............I'll give everyone an 'update'. I spoke to Global and they said that THEY 'own' the debt and to keep paying them. They ALSO said that Peak Financial doesn't have anything to do with this debt. However......of course, Peak is telling me to no longer pay Global because the debt was 'sold' to them. Geez!! What can I do to figure this out?


lrhall41

Submitted by sdchargers_63 on Sat, 09/20/2008 - 03:39

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Egotypical, you might want to start a new thread and copy your info there since it will probably get lost in this thread. :)

SDchargers, are either of these within the 30 day window to request debt validation? If so, you should request proof of the ownership of the debt. In the meantime, I would tell both of them that you will not pay anything. If either (or both) of them decided to take you to court, then they should have to prove debt ownership at that point.


lrhall41

Submitted by alias1958 on Sat, 09/20/2008 - 09:42

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Well.....acording to Peak, thy have owned the debt since September 10th. However...Global says they never sold the loan to anyone. Do you think I should get my CR and see? I would think if Peak owns it now, it would say on my CR,


lrhall41

Submitted by sdchargers_63 on Mon, 09/22/2008 - 08:55

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WOW...CHANGETODEBTFREE......I'm impressed!! You just say 'I'm gonna do this.' Is IT really that easy...to call CA's and work things out, by yourself? I guess that's ALOT better than going through a company and paying fees....not even knowing if the payments are REALLY going to the OC's. I would like an update on your issue. Thanks.


lrhall41

Submitted by sdchargers_63 on Fri, 09/26/2008 - 08:14

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Hey SDChargers,

it is not as easy as it is to type. LOL. It has been a long time coming for me and GOD willingly i have some money save up.

I called three accounts and got one settle for 70% off. It was a Best Buy account and Capital Management had it. I spoke to a Ms.Hudson and she was really nice and patience. She fax me over an agreement and i gave her payment. I hope this doesn't come back to bite me.


lrhall41

Submitted by changetobedebtfree on Fri, 09/26/2008 - 11:35

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Yea..good for you!! I'm sure it's NOT as easy to do as it is to type it. But.....I think the hardesst thing to do is to save up the money...ya know? You start saving and something happenes that you have to use it. Good grief!! I think I said this in another post....I DID settle with another CA on something (it was a very small amount, though.) It was for an old credit card account. The amount ( with all of the late fees added,etc) was $600.00. It was settled for $300.00. I don't think that's TOO bad.


lrhall41

Submitted by sdchargers_63 on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 02:50

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I guess, CHANGETOBEDEBTFREE, you 'have to do what you have to do.' But....I'm sure you will get things taken care of. Sometimes.....it seems like there's 'no way out.' Living with your parents you can save some money and pay some debts off.


lrhall41

Submitted by sdchargers_63 on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 03:20

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Not always true. Collectors are often granted the ability to offer blanket settlements.....however they will make you think that they cant. They will "claim" to talk to their manager or supervisor, who in fact is the person sitting in the cubbie next to them...this is everyday practice. How much they take as a settlement affects the collectors pocket on commision day as well as the group goal for getting better accounts placed with them. They dont really care about your situation.....they would be all be on proxac if they really cared....but a good collector will let you think they care even though they were probably balancing their check book or doing their nails during your vent.

Again....if you want to settle on an account, always call near the end of the month. If you have the funds available, calling in the last 3-4 days of the month is best. I remember people calling on the last day of the month, faxing settlement offers which included the cost of a Western Union Quick Collect so the money would get their right away. Settlments can happen extremely fast if the collector is motivated....and money motiates them!!


lrhall41

Submitted by SOAPLADY on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 06:42

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SInce your CC's are not in collection, these tips aren't really relevant. Your best bet is to try and contact the hardship departments and see if you can have your interest rate lowered or arrangements to make smaller payments. Most should be willing to work with you but you won't know until you try. The most important thing is to take care of this BEFORE it goes to collections.


lrhall41

Submitted by NASCAR_Devil on Sat, 10/04/2008 - 10:48

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I'm a little lost with the acronyms- SOL? CA (collection agency?) What is a DV? Got the junk debt buyer(JDB)... What is the acronym for the original creditor?

Wamu was great with me- they sent me an offer for 20%, payable over 4 months. One of my Chase accounts was sold to a JDB and they settled for 34%.

However I have an acct in litigation- and they are unwilling to go below 60%. They got me in a bind because they were able to push court paperwork through without ever serving me with a summons. I'm wondering if I should not push my luck and accept the 60% offer. They passed me to another person who then offered more like 80%- even though they had previously agreed to 60% and 2 to 4 weeks to allow me to gather my funds.

Then I have an amex acct and their legal dept will not talk to me about making small payments to help attain some time for me to gather up a reasonable settlement.

I can't blame the credit card company's for their efforts- if I were them I'd be pissed about defaulted debt too.

I made some huge mistakes which caused my debt status- I feel awful about it. My overall cc debt was over 90k. My net worth is 300k negative...

I'm obviously worried about garnished wages. Man I wish I wasn't such an idiot and prevented myself from getting into this bad of shape.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 15:33

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SOL = Statute of Limitations
OC = Original Creditor

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They got me in a bind because they were able to push court paperwork through without ever serving me with a summons


How? You have to be served. If service was improper, you have grounds to file a Motion to Vacate due to improper service. More details please.[/samebox]


lrhall41

Submitted by NASCAR_Devil on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 15:47

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I'll try to describe this breifly.

Chase sent me a letter saying I would be sued. Next thing I got in the mail was a letter from chase about 2.5 months later which was a copy of the form sent to the court requesting an entry into default/clerks judgment


lrhall41

Submitted by on Wed, 01/07/2009 - 17:57

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I'll try to describe this breifly.

Chase sent me a letter saying I would be sued. Next thing I got in the mail was a letter from Chase about 2.5 months later which was a copy of the form sent to the court requesting an entry into default/clerks judgment. So through research I find that this letter basically means that I failed to respond to the summons, and it was a petition to win the judgment by default.

So, I went to the court and copied my records. Therien was proof of service- The proof of service indicated the agent went to my home 3 times (no answer) and that on the 4th attempt they served a resident (my girlfriend.) It also indicated that they sent me the documents via certified mail.

I know it sounds like a lie- but my girlfriend was never served and I received no certified mail.

I contacted my attorney. He stated that that technique was somewhat common. He said that I could file a motion due to improper service... However he recommended that I try to settle instead- here was his rational:

1. If I file a motion, this forces Chase's hand to additional legal action. They will, as entitled, add their legal fees to my account.
2. Eventually, even after a motion, Chase will ultimately win the judgment as I do owe them this debt. So by filing a motion, I will essentially just add additional legal fees to my 16k debt...

He also indicated that he use to work for a major cc company as the prosecuting attorney for this type of thing.

A final note- I'm really concerned that I may have blown my chance with the creditor to settle at 60% (9600) because after offering them 37% (6000) they countered with (14,000+) Probably playing hardball, especially since they seem to now have a judgment against me.

I'm a bit unclear though... My attorney said that to finalize the judgment, Chase has to file for the superior court to have a hearing to approve the judgment. Chase's legal office tells me that this is not the case. The court records on my case are somewhat ambiguous so I'm unclear as to whether or not I have a judgment.

I'm hoping that 1. I don't have a judgment yet. 2. I can settle the account. 3. Without having the judgment finalized, I can request proof of case dismisal from Chase (with the local superior court) and not have a judgment on my records.

Thanks for your input.

Regarding acronyms- still missed DV, SOS


lrhall41

Submitted by on Wed, 01/07/2009 - 18:10

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Another side note- If I filed a motion to vacate, in court, it would be my word versus a document from a process server stating that I was properly served. Which is more believable to a judge? And if it were decided in my favor, wouldn't that just buy some time before they sued for a judgment again?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Thu, 01/08/2009 - 09:38

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Well,

Long story short- I spent a lot of time arguing on the phone, requesting the original settlement offer of 60%. Though they said it was not possible (and they did indeed win a judgment against me,) I finally got them to allow a settlement for 10,000 (just $400 more than the original offer.) Much better than 14000.

I tried to get them to agree to remove the charge off from my credit report and I don't know whether or not the judgment won will show up on my credit report and how it will report...

They basically indicated that those items are decided 30 to 90 days down the road and would not agree to remove the charge off. It will probably report charge off satisfied or something to that effect.

Well, 4 cards down, 4 to go. Somebody shoot me.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 15:10

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I also like to do everything in writing. While any actual agreement MUST be in writing, I have always tried to get agents to deal with me by letter or email....without much success I might add. In fact, because of my insistence, I think I have probably mess things up to some degree, with the banks just sending the accounts straight to a CA. My reasoning has always been that because of our disabilities (both my wife and I), we take several narcotic medications and it is very difficult to maintain a coherent phone conversation (my wife can't do it at all). No one was terribly interested in that fact. However, I have kept decent records of my requests, including all of the letters that I wrote. I have always assumed, if worse comes to worse and I have to stand before a judge, that it is good to be able to show that I made the effort, regardless of the outcome.

I think things would be a little different if I had been more receptive to phone conversations, even though the conversations that did take place are terribly disjointed and pointless. In the end, it just made me believe that the people on the other end of the calls had no real interest in anything except getting me to write a check, while I was more interested in making a deal.


lrhall41

Submitted by clovisca1949 on Sat, 04/25/2009 - 22:40

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