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judgement against my daughter

Date: Wed, 10/22/2008 - 13:25

Submitted by tlfroelich
on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 13:25

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Can anyone please help!!!!! When my daughter was 14 she got braces. A couple years later my husband and I lost our jobs and could not make the payments. A judgement was filed against us. When my daughter turned 18 the collection/law office turned around and added her name to the judgement and refiled the judgement. This took place in Minnesota. I now live in North Dakota and am in the process of filing chapter 7 banckruptcy. I found out in North Dakota that it is not legal to file a judgement against a person that had received services when they were a minor. I can't seem to get an answer from Minnesota. My bankruptcy lawyer advised me to contact a lawyer in Minnesota to look into filing a motion to vacate. I did that and the lawyer doesn't know (i've talked to 2) if it is legal in minnesota to do this. The problem now is it is on my daughters credit report as a judgement and her and her husband are trying to get a home loan. This is causing them problems. I have been trying to fight this thing for about five years. I have even offered to reaffirm the debt in my bankruptcy if they will take her name off the judgement. The law in North Dakota is that if a person received services when they were a minor the parent or guardian is responsible for the debt. Even once they turn 18 they do become responsible for the debt as they had no say in the services they received as a minor. The payment agreement/contract was between the minors child and and the service provider. If I have to file a motion to vacate it could cost around 1,000.00. Why should I have to pay for this when it shouldn't have happened in the first place? Or can Minnesota legally do this? Any advice here would be very much appreciated. Thank you.


I can't see how that could be legal in Minnesota either!! As you said, minors have no say in the matter, so how can they possibly be responsible? Minors are not legally even able to enter into a contract! However, the fact that you've spoken with two attorneys who can't answer the question is a concern. Hopefully, someone with knowledge of Minnesota law will come along with some advice! :?


lrhall41

Submitted by alias1958 on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 13:52

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Thank you both for your replies. A big thank you for taking the time to google minors and contracts. That topic seems quite broad to me. When my daughter received services (getting braces) she was 14 years old. The orthodontist at no time discussed what the cost would be or the payment plan with her. Nor did she sign anything. All discussion and signitures were done by me (her mother). So I'm still unsure how she would become legally responsible once she turned 18. She had no idea what getting braces entailed.


lrhall41

Submitted by tlfroelich on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 16:26

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And that's exactly why it doesn't seem like she could be legally responsible. Even IF she could enter into such a contract in Minnesota, SHE didn't enter into the contract. So I still can't see how SHE could be held responsible for the debt. Yes, she did receive the benefit. But if you hadn't paid your bills for her food, lodging, clothing, etc., would that make her responsible for the debts?? :?:

I have a fourteen year old daughter, and I would hate to think that someone is going to come calling on her in four years for the debts that I'm currently unable to pay! :!:


lrhall41

Submitted by alias1958 on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 17:21

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Thank you again for your replies. The original summons never had a Jane Doe on it. It was filed against my husband and myself. When she turned 18 we received judgement papers again and her name had been added. The only thing she has personally been sent were the forms to fill out where she had to list any assets and income. Well at 18 and just going off to college she had none. This whole thing has been very upsetting and I just can't seem to make any headway. Soaplady you suggested I contact the MN AG's office. I thought about that. I think that will be my next step. I did check out there website and I'm not sure how helpful they will be. It clearly states they cannot give any legal advise. It looks like they are basically there for consumer complaints. I would file a complaint but for some reason I can't get an answer if this practice is legal in Minnesota. My ND bankruptcy lawyer thinks it is highly unlikely. At least my attorney in ND knows the state laws here but that doesn't help me in MN. What a mess.


lrhall41

Submitted by tlfroelich on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 06:16

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I'm no expert; however, this all sounds like a buch of poop, the CA is trying to get away with.

Wait a minute, since this was a contract the parents entered into with the orthodontist, while the child was underage. I'm sure there wasn't a clause in the contract that stated they would add your daughter to it when she reached the legal age of 17. I just don't see how they can come back and add her to the judgment when the parents must have been the ones to sign it and not the child.

Do you have a copy of the original contract?

If this were permissible, then a child's name could be added to just about any contract his parents entered into, and once the child turned 18 he could be added to it? So the parents buy a house or a car, and as soon as a child turns 18 he is responsible for the loan too? This is just making no sense to me, at all.

I would not just call your states AG's office, and I would also be sure to send them something in writing, questioning this. I might also suggest for your daughter to dispute this judgment that is on her credit report with the CA/Law Firm is that has their name on it, as well as the CRA's. Tell them to produce a signed agreement for the original debt that shows and underage daughter is responsible for it also, as soon as they reach 18.

I mean think about it, how many children in America would be saddled with debts their parents signed for (like braces or eyeglasses for the kid) and agree to pay, however, defaulted on.

This really sounds like some illegal chicanery the CA is trying to get away with. I would definitely suggest contacting your state's Attorney General's Office for starters.

Keep us posted as to what happens. I'm especially curious of the outcome of this.


lrhall41

Submitted by FloridaRon on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 09:22

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Yep, sounds like a bunch of poop to me too. I just got off the phone with the Minnesota AG's office. The lady I spoke with said this is a case they will take. They had me complete a consumer complaint form and it is now in the mail. What the AG office will do is try mediating and come to a solution. which is I want my daughters name off the judgement and I will pay the balance due. The lady at the AG office wasn't sure whether something like this is legal in MN but will be looking up the statutes. Regardless of whether it is legal or not she stated they would take the case because it was the wrong thing to do. So we will see if they can help. I will keep you posted. Thank you all again and I would still appreciate any comments or info you may have that might help my case. Thank you all.


lrhall41

Submitted by tlfroelich on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 09:45

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