what is governing law

Hello Guest, we would need to know what state you are in and the name of the PDL company. Also please let us know how much you have borrowed and how much you have paid back including interest, fees, rollovers etc.

I am going to assume this is an internet loan since you state that lender and borrower are in two different locations.

The above post was me Kfstaff24. Sorry I was not logged in.

I am in Kentucky. The loan is through CityView. I have paid 360 on a 400 loan. Their contract says I agree to go by the laws of the state they are in and not where I am. Is that a legal statement?

Hi Guest,

Here is some info for Kentucky. Pdl's are illegal and they can't sue you. Your law's govern, not theirs...
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Emails to and from the banking dept:

To Whom It May Concern:

I have a question regarding internet payday lenders. I have visited the Department of Financial Institutions site and found some information. However, I am still a little confused.

I understand that storefront payday lenders are legal in the state of Kentucky and have printed out the laws applying to them. However, there is nothing regarding internet payday lenders.

I did a search on the site to see if some internet payday lenders were licensed in Kentucky. No results came up for any of them. If the case is that an internet payday lender is not licensed in the state of Kentucky, what then?

Internet payday lenders are claiming they do not have to comply with Kentucky state law. They claim they comply with the law in which they are located.

If they are not licensed in the state of Kentucky to fund loans, are they not in violation of some sort of law?

Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. At the very least, it might clear up my confusion.

Thank you so much for your attention in this.

Response:

Internet payday lending is illegal in Kentucky.

Chris Thompson
Compliance Branch Manager

Reply:

I have emailed before regarding internet payday lending and received the reply that internet payday lending is illegal in Kentucky. Thank you for that information.

I now have another question. If an agency is attempting to collect on an internet loan - which was illegally funded - does the collection agency need to be licensed in the state of Kentucky? Is this even a legal debt to collect on?

Thank you for any information you can give.

Response:

I am not sure who if anyone licenses collection agencies. This Office does not consider it a legal debt as the entity was not licensed to do business in Kentucky. Chris Thompson
Compliance Branch Manager

Reply:

I have viewed our state pay day law and understand that a store front pay day loan company can collect one NSF fee if your check is returned by your financial institution.

However, I have a question. How many times can a pay day loan company run the check through to your financial institution?

I have a pay day loan company that I am working on setting up a repayment plan; however, they keep running the check through my financial institution every week.

I was under the assumption that pay day loan companies may run the check through only once; however, I could be misunderstanding.

Could you please clairfy for me how many times a store front pay day loan company can run your check through your financial institution? I would like to be sure this company is following the law.

Thank you in advance for any answers/advice.

Response:

There is nothing in the check casher statute that prohibits the number of times a pay day loan company can run the check through; however, it is my understanding that banking law on allows a bank to do it only twice.

Chris Thompson
Compliance Branch Manager

I've looked more into this, to see exactly why internet lending is "illegal" in KY

Ms. :

We have an Administrative Regulation in Kentucky 808 KAR 9:040 Limitation on electronic fund transfer from customers accounts that states: ???????In connection with a deferred deposit transaction, a license shall deposit or present for payment a customer????????s actual check to the customer????????s bank or other financial institution unless that check is redeemed or bought back by the customer.???????

This prevents Internet payday loans in Kentucky and any company that may be offering loans in Kentucky is doing so illegally. If you have any additional questions feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

Rodney Gabbard

What does this mean?

A legal lender must hold a check from the customer.

Storefronts can charge you 15% of the face value of the check.

Rollovers are not allowed.


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So, my laws govern even though I agreed to the statement that says I agree to go by theirs? I'm getting ready to send them a ach revocation letter and want an address to mail the remaining 40 to them via money order.

Yes, they are supposed to go by the laws for the state the borrower lives in. In your case, PDL's are illegal in Kentucky and they should not have lent to you at all.

That is correct. Your personal acceptance cannot "trump" local laws in this case.

I would not mail them any money until you reach an agreement with them. JMO