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Lieberman Michaels and Kelly! A collector of the worst kind!

Date: Mon, 07/20/2009 - 10:00

Submitted by Frogpatch
on Mon, 07/20/2009 - 10:00

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They refer to themselves as a "legal outsourcing" firm! They leave messages using terms like "actions against your social security number and drivers license!" "Pending charges!" And any other creative scare tactics they can contrive! A voice message will say "filed with the firm of..." In an attempt to sound like a law firm! The collector will say they are not covered by the FDCPA because they are not a third party collector! Yes they are! They ran an add recently all over for collectors for a new business in Buffalo NY who has "the collector in mind! Payday experience preferred." If you have been contacted by these lowlifes ignore their threats! They will not file charges in the court in your state! They are junk debt buyers of old payday loans! Here is an Expose about them that will help you! http://tinyurl.com/limike Thanks to all you who read it Because of you it made the first page of Google to help anyone searching out info on these thugs!


I would think that with that message anyone could successfully sue them for the FDCPA violation, since they are blatant lies. Well - it can *possibly* be true (driver's license) in *some* states (I have found 1) but only *if* the debt is a car loan.

But no one has filed a suit against them yet. Even more, I couldn't find anything at all about them except this post and the hubpages article. I couldn't even find the job listing!

Just another scam, perhaps?


lrhall41

Submitted by Chrys Henderson on Thu, 08/13/2009 - 04:43

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These thugs contacted me today.... at work no less. This idiot was rambling on about how they are filing a check fraud case against me in court and are going to hold my drivers license in 24 hours. Lucky me... I am well aware of my rights and the more I let this guy know that, the more immature and pissed off he became. I let him know that I was NOT to be contacted at work and he then proceeded to call my office another 7 times in a period of 9 minutes... all of which I have documented. He was yelling at me telling me he needed to speak to my supervisor and that he was contacting my HR dept to attach wages (funny because you have to win a judgement against someone to do that)... I couldn't believe the things that he was saying... I informed him that all calls in our office are recorded so he started calling and hanging up... The worst part is I paid this stupid loan 3 years ago and dont owe anything. I was contacted about a year ago at home about this and when I requested verification of the debt, I recieved nothing. I haven't heard anything again about it until today... I have filed a complaint with the California Dept of Corporations and am going to contact the FTC and the ATT GEN NY. The sad part is that there are so many people out there that these scare tactics work on!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Mon, 08/31/2009 - 23:27

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I let him know that I was NOT to be contacted at work and he then proceeded to call my office another 7 times in a period of 9 minutes... all of which I have documented
Sue them for the FDCPA violation and collect your $1,000.

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he was contacting my HR dept to attach wages (funny because you have to win a judgement against someone to do that)
Actually they can ask them to do it voluntarily. Many companies will not do it without a court order, but many will.

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I paid this stupid loan 3 years ago and dont owe anything.
Send them a Cease & Desist letter.


lrhall41

Submitted by Chrys Henderson on Mon, 08/31/2009 - 23:46

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Google them and read my article! Get an attorney and go after them. It is 1000.00 per violation and they will settle out of court for less! Unless they just let it go by default and refuse to pay. My attorney stopped them dead in their tracks. It frogpatch! I forgot to sign in!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 11:51

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This hubpages article received over 90 hits in 24 hours yesterday, mostly from Google! They seem to spike on Thursdays. One person posted a comment about harassment and LMK posted all of her personal info including cell phone and credit history to the public right after! Fortunately it was deleted! Then they posted another really nasty Budd Hibbs referral but the Mods deleted it apparently. These people have to be stopped! In case you missed it. http://tinyurl.com/limike


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Submitted by Frogpatch on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 10:34

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Everything that has been said about them is true and repeated by several others identically! I wonder why they are so pissed off. I guess they must be losing some commissions! Poor babies! You break the law, you pay! Mike Stone was even dumb enough to leave a voice message with his name and an illegal threat!


lrhall41

Submitted by Frogpatch on Fri, 09/11/2009 - 11:52

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Here is a recent comment about them just to substantiate whats been said.

"They have also called me saying that I owe them $1600.00, and I have committed bank fraud, which they referred to as a class D felony, resulting in the revocation of my drivers license for 3 years, and possible jail time. They have called my Dad and stepmother, who live out of state, and told them I was in trouble with the law for felony bank fraud. WHAT IS GOING ON????"


lrhall41

Submitted by Frogpatch on Fri, 09/18/2009 - 12:01

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just received a call from 716-335-9430 looking for my sister regarding a "fraud charge" and for me to have her or her "legal council" to call them back at 866-703-2121. His name is "John Williams"...how common. I'm really glad I found these postings. I know how to tell my sister or proceed......or not!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 18:58

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I feel stupid I just let them talk me into a payment plan for the next three months. I was told that they had processed papers and that they would be sending them to my county court soon. After reading everyone else's complaints I feel like calling my bank and stopping the automatic withdrawls.


lrhall41

Submitted by vstone6 on Fri, 12/04/2009 - 08:07

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Originally Posted by vstone6
I feel stupid I just let them talk me into a payment plan for the next three months. I was told that they had processed papers and that they would be sending them to my county court soon. After reading everyone else's complaints I feel like calling my bank and stopping the automatic withdrawls.


if you didn't get it writing it doesn't exist.call your bank,and do what you must to stop those payments.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Fri, 12/04/2009 - 08:20

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This wasn't the company in Buffalo that Dateline profiled earlier this year? That was a boiler-room type operation where the collectors were recorded making illegal threats--and sure sounds a lot like this place. I think the owner was a convicted felon? The company's big time "attorney" was shown to be living with Mommy and Daddy and looked like he was about 15.


lrhall41

Submitted by kscornell on Sat, 12/12/2009 - 19:10

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No I don't think so KS! My attorney called them after the first insane call I got and spoke to Mr Kelly who is one of three partners. He was "shocked" that his employee would behave in such a fashion, Yeah right! I am sure it was the same guy who threatened me on Hub Pages, saying "you are going down Froggy you ----" because of my article. Put the firms name in Google and I am still number one! Twenty more hits on Friday from people who will not be paying these scum buckets. I hope my story costs them tens of thousands if it has not already!
Anyone reading this thread do not pay them a dime but get an attorney and sue them!


lrhall41

Submitted by Frogpatch on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 18:56

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Okay, here's the thread I should have posted on yesterday. I also received a call from John Williams or whatever his name is. LOL. Mr. Knolls is the one that threated me though. They're debiting my checking account on 12/24 for 250. I have no idea how to stop it.
I can't close my bank account because I have a 401K loan from my job going into that account the following week. (which I will withdrawl immediately and then close my account..and move over to a credit union).

I'm sorry for posting a new thread about this when this was here. Bet you guys are used to that. = )


lrhall41

Submitted by on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 04:38

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TITLE XXXVI
PAWNBROKERS AND MONEYLENDERS
CHAPTER 399-A
REGULATION OF SMALL LOANS, TITLE LOANS, AND PAYDAY LOANS
Section 399-A:7
399-A:7 Denial, Suspension, or Revocation of Licenses. ???
I. The commissioner may by order, upon due notice and opportunity for a hearing, assess penalties or deny, suspend, or revoke any license or application if it is in the public interest and the applicant, respondent, or licensee, any partner, member, officer or director, any person occupying a similar status or performing similar functions, or any person directly or indirectly controlling the applicant, respondent, or licensee:
(a) Has filed an application for licensing which as of its effective date, or as of any date after filing in the case of an order denying effectiveness, was incomplete in any material respect or contained any statement which was, in light of the circumstances under which it was made, false or misleading with respect to any material fact;
(b) Has made a false or misleading statement to the commissioner or in any reports to the commissioner;
(c) Has made fraudulent misrepresentations, or has circumvented or concealed, through whatever subterfuge or device, any of the material particulars or the nature thereof required to be stated or furnished to a borrower under the provisions of this chapter;
(d) Has failed to supervise its agents, managers, or employees;
(e) Is the subject of an order entered within the past 5 years by this state, any other state, or federal regulator denying, suspending, or revoking licenses or registration;
(f) Is permanently, preliminarily, or temporarily enjoined by any court of competent jurisdiction from engaging in or continuing any conduct or practice involving any aspect of lending or collection activities;
(g) Is not qualified on the basis of such factors as experience, knowledge, and financial integrity;
(h) Has engaged in dishonest or unethical practices in the conduct of the business of making or collecting small loans, payday loans, or title loans;
(i) Has violated this chapter or any rule or order thereunder or has violated applicable federal laws or rules thereunder;
(j) Has made an unsworn falsification under RSA 641:3 to the commissioner; or
(k) Should not be licensed for other good cause shown.
II. The commissioner may issue an order requiring a person to whom any license has been granted or any person under the commissioner's jurisdiction to show cause why the license should not be suspended or revoked or penalties should not be imposed, or both, for violations of this chapter. The order shall give reasonable notice of the opportunity for a hearing, and shall state the reasons for the issuance of the order. The commissioner may by order summarily postpone or suspend any license or application pending final determination of any order to show cause, or other order, or of any other proceeding under this section, provided the commissioner finds that the public interest would be irreparably harmed by delay in issuing such order. Upon the entry of the order, the commissioner shall promptly notify the respondent, applicant, or licensee that the order has been entered and of the reasons for the order and that within 10 calendar days after receipt of a written request the matter will be scheduled for hearing. Valid delivery of such order shall be by hand or certified mail at the last known principal office of the licensee or respondent or to an officer, director, 5 percent or more owner, member, partner, or legal representative of the licensee or respondent. If the person to whom an order to show cause or other order is issued fails to request a hearing within 30 calendar days of receipt or valid delivery of the order and no hearing is ordered by the commissioner, then such person shall be deemed in default, and the order shall, on the thirty-first day, become permanent, and shall remain in full force and effect until and unless later modified or vacated by the commissioner, for good cause shown. A hearing, if requested, shall be scheduled not later than 10 calendar days after the written request for such hearing is received by the commissioner, after which and within 20 calendar days from the date of the hearing the commissioner shall enter an order making such disposition of the matter as the facts require. If the licensee or respondent fails to request a hearing within 30 calendar days of receipt or valid delivery of such order or fails to appear at a hearing after being duly notified, or cannot be located after a reasonable search, such person shall be deemed in default and the proceeding may be decided against the person upon consideration of the order to show cause or other order, the allegations of which may be deemed to be true.
III. If a licensee is a partnership, association, corporation, or entity however organized, it shall be sufficient cause for the suspension or revocation of a license that any officer, director, or trustee of a licensed association or corporation or any member of a licensed partnership has so acted or failed to act on behalf of said licensee as would be cause for suspending or revoking a license to such party as an individual. Each licensee shall be responsible for supervision of its branch offices and for the acts of any or all of its employees while acting as its agent if such licensee, after actual knowledge of such acts, retained the benefits, proceeds, profits, or advantages accruing from such acts or otherwise ratified such acts.
IV. Any license revocation, suspension, or unfavorable action by the department on a license shall comply with the provisions of RSA 541-A. An aggrieved licensee may, pursuant to RSA 541-A and RSA 541, appeal an unfavorable action by the department. The department may take action for immediate suspension of a license, pursuant to RSA 541-A.
V. If the commissioner finds that any licensee or applicant for license is no longer in existence or has ceased to do business as a small loan lender, payday loan lender, or title loan lender, or cannot be located after reasonable search, the commissioner may by order revoke the license, impose penalties, or deny the application. The commissioner may deem abandoned and withdraw any application for licensure made pursuant to this chapter, if any applicant fails to respond in writing within 180 calendar days to a written request from the commissioner requesting a response. Such request shall be sent via certified mail to the last known address of the applicant that is on file with the commissioner.
VI. No revocation, suspension, or surrender of any license shall impair or affect the obligation of any pre-existing lawful contract between the licensee and any obligors, and such contracts and all lawful charges thereon may be collected by the licensee, its successors, and assigns.
Source. 2003, 308:1. 2004, 139:44. 2005, 255:50, 64-66, eff. Sept. 12, 2005.
TITLE XXXVI
PAWNBROKERS AND MONEYLENDERS
CHAPTER 399-A
REGULATION OF SMALL LOANS, TITLE LOANS, AND PAYDAY LOANS
Section 399-A:7
399-A:7 Denial, Suspension, or Revocation of Licenses. ???
I. The commissioner may by order, upon due notice and opportunity for a hearing, assess penalties or deny, suspend, or revoke any license or application if it is in the public interest and the applicant, respondent, or licensee, any partner, member, officer or director, any person occupying a similar status or performing similar functions, or any person directly or indirectly controlling the applicant, respondent, or licensee:
(a) Has filed an application for licensing which as of its effective date, or as of any date after filing in the case of an order denying effectiveness, was incomplete in any material respect or contained any statement which was, in light of the circumstances under which it was made, false or misleading with respect to any material fact;
(b) Has made a false or misleading statement to the commissioner or in any reports to the commissioner;
(c) Has made fraudulent misrepresentations, or has circumvented or concealed, through whatever subterfuge or device, any of the material particulars or the nature thereof required to be stated or furnished to a borrower under the provisions of this chapter;
(d) Has failed to supervise its agents, managers, or employees;
(e) Is the subject of an order entered within the past 5 years by this state, any other state, or federal regulator denying, suspending, or revoking licenses or registration;
(f) Is permanently, preliminarily, or temporarily enjoined by any court of competent jurisdiction from engaging in or continuing any conduct or practice involving any aspect of lending or collection activities;
(g) Is not qualified on the basis of such factors as experience, knowledge, and financial integrity;
(h) Has engaged in dishonest or unethical practices in the conduct of the business of making or collecting small loans, payday loans, or title loans;
(i) Has violated this chapter or any rule or order thereunder or has violated applicable federal laws or rules thereunder;
(j) Has made an unsworn falsification under RSA 641:3 to the commissioner; or
(k) Should not be licensed for other good cause shown.
II. The commissioner may issue an order requiring a person to whom any license has been granted or any person under the commissioner's jurisdiction to show cause why the license should not be suspended or revoked or penalties should not be imposed, or both, for violations of this chapter. The order shall give reasonable notice of the opportunity for a hearing, and shall state the reasons for the issuance of the order. The commissioner may by order summarily postpone or suspend any license or application pending final determination of any order to show cause, or other order, or of any other proceeding under this section, provided the commissioner finds that the public interest would be irreparably harmed by delay in issuing such order. Upon the entry of the order, the commissioner shall promptly notify the respondent, applicant, or licensee that the order has been entered and of the reasons for the order and that within 10 calendar days after receipt of a written request the matter will be scheduled for hearing. Valid delivery of such order shall be by hand or certified mail at the last known principal office of the licensee or respondent or to an officer, director, 5 percent or more owner, member, partner, or legal representative of the licensee or respondent. If the person to whom an order to show cause or other order is issued fails to request a hearing within 30 calendar days of receipt or valid delivery of the order and no hearing is ordered by the commissioner, then such person shall be deemed in default, and the order shall, on the thirty-first day, become permanent, and shall remain in full force and effect until and unless later modified or vacated by the commissioner, for good cause shown. A hearing, if requested, shall be scheduled not later than 10 calendar days after the written request for such hearing is received by the commissioner, after which and within 20 calendar days from the date of the hearing the commissioner shall enter an order making such disposition of the matter as the facts require. If the licensee or respondent fails to request a hearing within 30 calendar days of receipt or valid delivery of such order or fails to appear at a hearing after being duly notified, or cannot be located after a reasonable search, such person shall be deemed in default and the proceeding may be decided against the person upon consideration of the order to show cause or other order, the allegations of which may be deemed to be true.
III. If a licensee is a partnership, association, corporation, or entity however organized, it shall be sufficient cause for the suspension or revocation of a license that any officer, director, or trustee of a licensed association or corporation or any member of a licensed partnership has so acted or failed to act on behalf of said licensee as would be cause for suspending or revoking a license to such party as an individual. Each licensee shall be responsible for supervision of its branch offices and for the acts of any or all of its employees while acting as its agent if such licensee, after actual knowledge of such acts, retained the benefits, proceeds, profits, or advantages accruing from such acts or otherwise ratified such acts.
IV. Any license revocation, suspension, or unfavorable action by the department on a license shall comply with the provisions of RSA 541-A. An aggrieved licensee may, pursuant to RSA 541-A and RSA 541, appeal an unfavorable action by the department. The department may take action for immediate suspension of a license, pursuant to RSA 541-A.
V. If the commissioner finds that any licensee or applicant for license is no longer in existence or has ceased to do business as a small loan lender, payday loan lender, or title loan lender, or cannot be located after reasonable search, the commissioner may by order revoke the license, impose penalties, or deny the application. The commissioner may deem abandoned and withdraw any application for licensure made pursuant to this chapter, if any applicant fails to respond in writing within 180 calendar days to a written request from the commissioner requesting a response. Such request shall be sent via certified mail to the last known address of the applicant that is on file with the commissioner.
VI. No revocation, suspension, or surrender of any license shall impair or affect the obligation of any pre-existing lawful contract between the licensee and any obligors, and such contracts and all lawful charges thereon may be collected by the licensee, its successors, and assigns.
Source. 2003, 308:1. 2004, 139:44. 2005, 255:50, 64-66, eff. Sept. 12, 2005.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Fri, 01/08/2010 - 11:24

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This man called my Mother and Father's house yesterday making all the same threats that have already been posted on here he even gave my father my social security number! He asked my Dad to pay him half the bill to keep me out of jail. When I contacted him the man was yelling cussing and acting just plain crazy. I got to reading on the internet and found this and more things from frogpatch and just wanted to say Thank you to him!! I wish I would have found a little earlier before he called my work 9 times yesterday but he called this morning and I was armed with info and have not heard anything back yet!!!! SO THANK YOU FROGPATCH!!!!!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Wed, 01/27/2010 - 07:27

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those lmk scumbags conned a relation of mine by disclosing debt info and using all the listed scare tactics mentioned in previous posts to pay them ..it was done through clear violation of federal laws .I would imagine that the rico act has been violated in some form by them in the way they went about it...I am looking into the legals aspects to see if maybe their officers and associates will be doing some federal jail time in the future.it involved a interstate transaction and federal laws were violated.here they are violating the banking laws that they try to scare you into paying with.....contact me frogpatch or anyone else that has had dealings with them so I can compile a good history of their illegal tactics email me at @ [EMAIL="laydownndie@rocketmail.com"]laydownndie@rocketmail.com[/EMAIL] I'd like to compile as many affadavits of their threats and tactics as possible.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Fri, 01/29/2010 - 12:18

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A guy from LMK called me at work today for CMG Group, telling me my driver's license and my husband's will both be revoked in 48 hours, he knew all the cars I own, and starts reading things off of my credit report, he knows everything about me. He wanted to fax my supervisor so my employer would know criminal charges are being filed against me. I told him I need proof I asked for the money and he said they woulld have to subpoena my bank which would cost another $329. This is not the first time I have been harrassed for a payday loan I paid back in full. These people are beyond evil, how do they live with themselves. I feel sorry for the people who fall for their BS.


lrhall41

Submitted by maxman on Fri, 02/19/2010 - 11:10

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