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Suing on a time barred debt is illegal

Date: Mon, 03/01/2010 - 05:18

Submitted by pokertramp
on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 05:18

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It IS also a violation of the FDCPA. Here are a few cases that discuss this. It is also against state law as well not to mention Frivolous litigation. If they file a lawsuit knowing full well it can't be filed, knowing the debt is time barred but they file a lawsuit anyway. it is frivolous. I have heard one person on here state it is not a violation of the FDCPA when it clearly states they cannot take action that connot legally be taken and also it is false, deceptive, or misleading.


Kimber v. Fed. Fin. Corp., 668 F. Supp. 1480 (M.D. Ala. 1987)

Shorty v. Capital One Bank, 90 F. Supp. 2d 1330 (D.N.M. 2000)

Goins v. JBC & Assoc., 352 F. Supp. 2d 262 No. 05-3970 (D. Conn. 2005)


Here is the text from one of those cases.

363 F.Supp.2d 345

Gilbert J. GERVAIS, Plaintiff,
v.
RIDDLE & ASSOCIATES, P.C., Defendant.

No. 3:03 CV 2102(PCD).

United States District Court, D. Connecticut.

March 31, 2005.

Zenas Zelotes, Groton, CT, for Plaintiff.

David S. Samuels, Jason Marc Kuselias, Robinson & Cole, Hartford, CT, for Defendant.

RULING ON CROSS-MOTIONS FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT AND PLAINTIFF'S MOTION FOR CONDITIONAL CERTIFICATION

DORSEY, District Judge.

Plaintiff and Defendant cross-move for summary judgment. Plaintiff also moves


for conditional certification to the Connecticut Supreme Court. For the reasons stated herein, Defendant's motion for summary judgment is denied, Plaintiff's motion for summary judgement is granted, and Plaintiff's motion for conditional certification is denied.

I. Background1

Defendant Riddle & Associates, P.C. ("Riddle") is a professional corporation organized under the laws of Utah and operates as a law firm specializing in consumer debt collection.

Plaintiff Gilbert J. Gervais had a credit card issued by MBNA American. He ceased making payments and defaulted on this account in the amount of $8,115.92, not including interest. The most recent activity on the MBNA account was in September 1993. Defendant waived interest of more than ten years on the amount owed.

In November 2003, Capital Acquisitions and Management Company, Inc. ("CAMCO") retained Defendant to recover on Plaintiff's past due account. Plaintiff's account was originally owed to MBNA, but now it is owed to and owned by CAMCO. On November 7, 2003, Defendant sent Plaintiff a collection letter seeking payment on the debt and offering a discount for prompt payment. Defendant's President, Jesse L. Riddle, who is an attorney, personally drafted and approved the language and template used in this letter. From mid-November until the end of November, Defendant attempted unsuccessfully to contact Plaintiff by telephone eleven times, leaving several messages instead. The messages generally stated

Hello. This is the law firm of Riddle & Associates at 1-800-225-5050 with a message regarding an important legal matter. Please call our office at 1-800-225-5050 and refer to reference number [].

The last message was left on or about November 30, 2003. Plaintiff did not return any of these messages, nor did Defendant ever speak directly with Plaintiff, At no time did Plaintiff ever dispute the debt, either in writing or orally.

At the time the letter was sent to Plaintiff, Defendant was authorized and licensed as a "Consumer Collection Agency" by and through the Banking Commissioner, of the State of Connecticut, Department of Banking, license no. 9166, to collect debts under the name "Riddle & Associates, P.C."

On or about December 4, 2003, Defendant was contacted by Plaintiff's attorney Zenas Zelotes who claimed, on behalf of Plaintiff, that Defendant's collections efforts violated the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Zelotes threatened to bring suit. Defendant immediately ceased all further collection activity. Over the course of the next several days, Defendant told Attorney Zelotes that its collection actions complied with the FDCPA, provided him with relevant case law, and told him that any suit would be frivolous.

On December 8, 2003 Plaintiff filed this action. Count One alleges that Defendant "willfully and/or negligently" violated the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1692 et seq. ("FDCPA") "by making false, deceptive and/or misleading statements in connection with the collection of a debt, in violation of 15 U.S.C. § 1692e, and/or by using unfair means in attempting to collect a debt, in violation of 15 U.S.C. § 1692f." Count Two alleges that Defendant violated the Connecticut Unfair Trade Practices Act, Conn. Gen. Stat. § 42-110a et seq. ("CUTPA"). Defendant filed a counterclaim requesting a declaratory judgment that (1) seeking voluntary payment on a time-barred debt does not violate the FDCPA (Def. Counterclaim Count One); (2) nothing in Defendant's November 7, 2003 letter or subsequent telephone messages contained a threat of litigation or was a false, misleading, or deceptive statement made or was an unfair means of collecting a debt; (3) it did not violate 15 U.S.C. §§ 1692g, 1692e, or 1692f in pursuing collection efforts during the 30-day dispute period absent receipt of a written dispute from Plaintiff; and (4) its collection efforts did not violate CUTPA. In March 2004 Plaintiff's motion to strike Defendant's counterclaims [Doc. No. 6] was denied [Doc. No. 10].

Now, the parties have filed cross-motions for summary judgment, and Plaintiff has filed a motion for conditional certification.

II. Summary Judgment Standard

A party moving for summary judgment must establish that there are no genuine issues of material fact in dispute and that it is entitled to judgment as a matter of law. Fed. R. Civ. P. 56(c); Anderson v. Liberty Lobby, Inc., 477 U.S. 242, 248, 106 S.Ct. 2505, 91 L.Ed.2d 202 (1986). "A party opposing a properly brought motion for summary judgment bears the burden of going beyond the pleadings, and `designating specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial.'" Amnesty Am. v. Town of W. Hartford, 288 F.3d 467, 470 (2d Cir.2002) (quoting Celotex Corp. v. Catrett, 477 U.S. 317, 324, 106 S.Ct. 2548, 91 L.Ed.2d 265 (1986)). In determining whether a genuine issue has been raised, all ambiguities are resolved and all reasonable inferences are drawn against the moving party. United States v. Diebold, Inc., 369 U.S. 654, 655, 82 S.Ct. 993, 8 L.Ed.2d 176 (1962); Quinn v. Syracuse Model Neighborhood Corp., 613 F.2d 438, 445 (2d Cir.1980). Summary judgment is proper when reasonable minds could not differ as to the import of evidence. Bryant v. Maffucci, 923 F.2d 979, 982 (2d Cir.1991). "Conclusory allegations will not suffice to create a genuine issue." Delaware & H.R. Co. v. Consolidated Rail Corp., 902 F.2d 174, 178 (2d Cir.1990). Determinations as to the weight to accord evidence or credibility assessments of witnesses are improper on a motion for summary judgment as such are within the sole province of the jury. Hayes v. N.Y. City Dep't of Corr., 84 F.3d 614, 619 (2d Cir.1996).

III. Discussion

A. Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Judgment

Plaintiff alleges that: (1)(a) Defendant knew or should have known that the debt was subject to a complete limitations defense; (b) Defendant's communications violated sections 1692e(2)(A), 1692e(5), and 1692e(10) because the least sophisticated debtor might reasonably have interpreted Defendant's collection letter and eleven telephone calls as an implicit threat of suit, when suit was not intended and may reasonably have mislead or confused the least sophisticated debtor as related to the time-barred debt's legal status by impressing upon Plaintiff a false sense of urgency; (2) Defendant impermissibly overshadowed the § 1692g(a) notice by conditioning substantial advertised savings upon its receipt of payment on a date preceding the passing of the § 1692g(a) validation period; (3) Defendant cannot avail itself of the affirmative defense set out in section 1692k; and (5) Defendant violated CUTPA to the extent that it had violated the FDCPA.

1. Plaintiff's Claims under 15 U.S.C. §§ 1692e(2)(A), 1692e(5), and 1692e(10)

The FDCPA establishes a general prohibition against the use of "false, deceptive, or misleading representation or means in connection with the collection of any debt." 15 U.S.C. § 1692e. "Because the list in the sixteen subsections [of § 1692e] is non-exhaustive, a debt collection practice can be a `false, deceptive, or misleading' practice in violation of § 1692e even if it does not fall within any of the subsections of § 1692e." Clomon v. Jackson, 988 F.2d 1314, 1318 (2d Cir.1993). A single violation of § 1692e is sufficient to establish civil liability under the FDCPA. See 15 U.S.C. § 1692k (establishing civil liability for "any debt collector who fails to comply with any provision of this subchapter").

The Second Circuit has adopted the objective "least sophisticated consumer" standard for cases under § 1692e. Clomon, 988 F.2d at 1318. "The basic purpose of the least-sophisticated-consumer standard is to ensure that the FDCPA protects all consumers, the gullible as well as the shrewd." Id. At the same time, "in crafting a norm that protects the naive and the credulous the courts have carefully preserved the concept of reasonableness." Id. at 1319. The "least sophisticated consumer" standard simultaneously. "(1) ensures the protection of all consumers, even the naive and the trusting, against deceptive debt collection practices, and (2) protects debt collectors against liability for bizarre or idiosyncratic interpretations of collection notices." Id. at 1320.

a. Statute of Limitations

Plaintiff argues that Defendant knew or should have known that the statute of limitations for collecting on the debt had expired and, thus, improperly threatened legal action that it could not legally take in its communications to Plaintiff. Defendant argues that it did not threaten Plaintiff and that it merely attempted to seek Plaintiff's voluntary payment of his outstanding debt.

"The Statute of Limitations creates a defense to an action." Wells v. Carson, 140 Conn. 474, 476, 101 A.2d 297 (Conn.1953). "It does not erase the debt." Id. Accordingly, a debt collector may seek voluntary payment on a time-barred debt, as long as there is no threat of legal action. Reese v. Arrow Financial Serv., LLC, 202 F.R.D. 83, 92-93 (D.Conn.2001). This Court must therefore assess whether a genuine issue of material fact exists regarding Plaintiff's claim that Defendant's communications threatened legal action.

b. 15 U.S.C. §§ 1692e(5) & (10)

Plaintiff argues generally that "[w]hen an attorney (so held out) attempts to collect a debt, both prima facie and implicit is a threat of suit." (Pl.'s Mem at 6.) He contends that "Defendant's implicit threat of litigation is not ... limited to [its] use of attorney letterhead," and argues that the threat is manifest in the "cumulative effect" of Defendant's language both in the telephone messages and the dunning letter. (Pl.'s Mem. at 14-16.) More specifically, Plaintiff contends that the following constituted both threats of action Defendant did not intend to take and false representations: (1) the attorney letterhead, identifying Defendant as "Attorneys and Counselors at Law"; (2) language in the letter, stating that (a) "Our law firm has been retained to collect from you,"(b) "Our client has agreed to," and (c) "If you want to resolve this matter ... call our law firm at ..."; and (3) language in the recorded telephone messages, stating that "This is the law firm of Riddle & Associates calling you about an important legal matter." (Pl.'s Mem. at 15.)

15 U.S.C. § 1692e generally provides that "[a] debt collector may not use any false, deceptive, or misleading representation or means in connection with the collection of any debt." Subsection (5) prohibits "[t]he threat to take any action that cannot legally be taken or that is not intended to be taken," 15 U.S.C. § 1692e(5), and subsection (10) prohibits "[t]he use of any false representation or deceptive means to collect or attempt to collect any debt...", 15 U.S.C. § 1692e(10). In determining whether a collection letter threatens legal action under § 1692e(5), courts look to whether a debt collection letter indirectly or impliedly states that legal action is underway or contemplated imminently.

Pipiles v. Credit Bureau of Lockport, Inc., 886 F.2d 22, 25-26 (2d Cir.1989), the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit found an implied threat to take legal action in the following statements: "Notice is Hereby Given That This Item Has Already Been Referred For Collection Action"; "We Will At Any Time After 48 Hours Take Action As Necessary And Appropriate to Secure Payment In Full"; and "Pay This Amount If Action Is To Be Stopped." The court explained that, although a close question, "[t]he clear import of the language, taken as a whole, is that [some] type of legal action has already been or is about to be initiated and can be averted from running its course only by payment." Id.

A few years later, Bentley v. Great Lakes Collection Bureau, Inc., 6 F.3d 60, 62 (2d Cir.1993), the Second Circuit again found an implied threat of litigation, notwithstanding the fact that the second of two letters sent to the debtor concluded with the statement that "No legal action has been or is now being taken against you." The first letter stated that "our client has instructed us to proceed with whatever legal means is necessary to enforce collection." A second letter provided in part that "Your delinquent account has been referred to my desk where a decision must be made as to what direction must be taken to enforce collection. Were our client to retain legal counsel in your area, and it was determined that suit should be filed against you, it could result in a judgment." The court concluded that the "least sophisticated consumer" would interpret the language contained in the two letters, on whole, to mean that legal action was authorized, likely and imminent.

Defendant correctly cites to Veillard v. Mednick, 24 F.Supp.2d 863, 867 (N.D.Ill.1998) for the proposition that the mere inference that legal action could be taken because a letter is on law firm letterhead is not sufficient to create FDCPA liability. Indeed, even the mere fact that a debt collection letter comes from an attorney does not vest the communication with an implied threat of legal action. Sturdevant v. Jolas, 942 F.Supp. 426, 430 (D.Wis.1996). "Courts have required more than the fact that a collection letter is from an attorney to find a § 1692e(5) violation." Kapeluschnik v. LeSchack & Grodensky, 96-CV-2399(ERK)(CLP), 1999 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 22883, at *20 (E.D.N.Y. Aug. 26, 1999). Although this is true, "in cases where the likelihood of legal action is not clear from the language, the letter's source can be determinative, especially if it purports to be from an attorney." Jenkins v. Union Corp., 999 F.Supp. 1120, 1137 (N.D.Ill.1998). In this case, the implied threat of litigation is not dependent solely on Defendant's use of law firm letterhead. As a result, in the absence of express language threatening legal action, the source of the letter is a persuasive factor to be considered in conjunction with the statements contained in the collection letters and over the telephone.

Here, Defendant stated to Plaintiff, in eleven recorded telephone messages, that their law firm was calling regarding an
important legal matter. In addition, Defendant's collection letter stated that "our law firm has been retained to collect from you," and that should Plaintiff "want to resolve this matter ... call our law firm." (Pl.'s Mem. at 15.) This Court is persuaded that the accretion of references, both within the letter and accompanying letterhead, and in the telephone messages, would indicate to the "least sophisticated consumer" that "[t]he clear import of the language, taken as a whole, is that [some] type of legal action has already been or is about to be initiated and can be averted from running its course only by payment." See Pipiles, 886 F.2d at 26.


pokertramp,

the problem with your entire argument is that you are trying to apply a "cut-and-dried" mentality to court. you simply cannot.

Case in point--every day in this country, debt collectors obtain judgments against consumers. Every day. Increasingly, these judgments are over old debts. If it was simply not legal for a debt collector to file such a lawsuit, then the court itself would not allow it to happen. Period. You do not take into account the fact-FACT-that "expiration of SOL" is an ACTIVE-ONLY defense. This means, if a debt collector sued you tomorrow over a debt from, say, 20 years ago, and you did not know enough to invoke SOL in your defense, THEY WOULD STILL WIN. The court CANNOT automatically invoke SOL for you. If it were illegal for them to do so, the court could not allow it to happen.

Likewise, if you are sued, and you appear in court, and you mention nothing about SOL, you would have one seriously hard time later, trying to vacate a judgment on the grounds of SOL. Like I said, court isnt a "cut-and-dried" place. And you are not applying that reality to this discussion. MANY rules of procedure and other statutes in court are ONLY applicable when you INVOKE them. Another great example is the hearsay rule. ABC debt collector takes you to court, and provides as proof of your obligation an affidavit from one of their employees, stating that they have "first-hand knowledge" of the debt. If you do not object on grounds of hearsay, the judge is REQUIRED BY LAW TO ALLOW IT.

here's the problem with your thinking on this one. A debt collector threatens to file a lawsuit against you. THEY CAN LEGALLY DO SO. In America, you can file a lawsuit against anyone for damn near anything. Does the lawsuit have any merit? Doesnt matter--all they threatened to do was FILE ONE. and they can legally file that suit all they want--and they do, every day. A friend of my dad, when I was younger, was involved in a car accident. He filed a lawsuit against FORD MOTOR COMPANY, because they built the truck that the other guy was driving! Can he legally file that lawsuit in civil district court? You bet he can...and he did. Did it have any merit at all? NOPE, not a shred. NONE. But did that make it illegal for him to do so? Of course it didnt.

Now, if your target is the attorney that represented the debt collector, then YES, you have something you can do. You can file a complaint with the bar association against that attorney for filing a frivolous lawsuit. But as it is often said on this very forum time and time again, debt collectors do not sue anyone. THE LAWYER DOES. So even if youre going to complain about a frivolous lawsuit, youre barking up the wrong tree to begin with.

As for the text you posted above, thats a court's opinion, and to be honest, its a horrible opinion. And before you say anything, I am not a debt collector, nor am I on their side. But LETS GET REAL here.....the lawyer clearly stated that they were hired to COLLECT the debt, NOTHING was said or implied in any fashion about a lawsuit. The same lawyer also provided a correct case law example that proved that communication merely coming from an attorney's office does not at all imply lawsuit.

At the end of the day, what we have here is the fact that the FDCPA itself does not make any determination as to what exactly falls under "deceptive practices". It only states that a debt collector cannot threaten to take action that "they cannot legally take". And I have just shown you how they are legally allowed to file those lawsuits even if they are past the SOL. The legality, as it were, is left to be decided during the proceedings of the case, it is not a cut-and-dried certainty. Answer these two questions and you will see the point--

1-if it truly were illegal for them to file those lawsuits, then why are the courts in EVERY STATE IN THIS COUNTRY routinely allowing those cases to be not only filed, but heard?

2-Further, why are all of those judges REQUIRED BY LAW to allow those cases to proceed unless the defendant specifically invokes SOL?


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 17:39

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It's not the court's responsibility to ascertain all the facts of a case before allowing it to be filed, it is the plaintiff and their attorney. Knowingly suing someone on a time barred debt is frivolous.....Debt collectors know they cannot sue on a time barred debt but choose to anyway. They do this to hopefully get a default judgment and a consumer that does not know their rights.



for your second question, again, It's not the court's responsibility to ascertain all the facts of a case before allowing it to be filed.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt144.shtm

Here is a little more info for you. One part states:

Most courts that have addressed the issue have ruled that the FDCPA does not prohibit debt collectors from trying to collect time-barred debts, as long as they do not sue or threaten to sue you for the debt. If a debt collector sues you to collect a time-barred debt, you can have the suit dismissed by letting the court or judge know the debt is, indeed, time-barred.

So with them suing on a time barred debt, it is now prohibited, thus a violation of the FDCPA.


lrhall41

Submitted by pokertramp on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 19:00

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what you just posted does NOT, repeat, NOT say it is a violation of the FDCPA. What it DOES say is that you can get the suit dropped by invoking SOL as your defense! There isnt one word there that says "this violates our FDCPA statutes". Not one! I already covered that.

Again, let's look at what happens in courtrooms in this country every day. A debt collector sues someone in a state with SOL of 6 years. They state in their complaint that the defendant opened the account 13 years ago and then stopped making payments one year later. BY DEFAULT, then, the court ALREADY knows that the debt is well past the SOL. But they CANNOT, by LAW, throw the case out on their own, they MUST proceed and see if the defendant responds or not. And here's the kicker--the court, KNOWING that SOL has expired, MUST find for the plaintiff anyways if the defendant doesnt respond, or if the defendant does not use SOL or otherwise show cause why the plaintiff is wrong. This is LAW, and like I said, it happens every day. Dont believe me? Take a stroll around our forum here, and look at all the posts from people who get sued by CA's and their attorneys where they even list the dates, thus proving that SOL is long gone.

So, once more, I submit to you that the court system is not what you think it is. They are bound to follow the law, and the law provides an action for defense should a debt collector bring suit on a time-barred debt. Re-read the FTC quote you posted, there isnt anything in there at all that says "if a debt collector sues you on a time-barred debt, you can countersue because it is an 1 for them to do so". Remember this--even in federal district court, when a debt collector brings a suit on a time-barred debt, they are NOT ALLOWED to dismiss the case even when they know it's past SOL....until the defendant uses SOL in their defense.

EDIT--you are also incorrect about the court's responsibility. For example, a court will typically throw out a motion or pleading if it isnt in the format that the rules of civil procedure require. They dont wait for the other party to validate or refute what was contained in such motions! In other words, the court is bound by the law. How do you think the judge has any authority in his/her courtroom? The judge has the authority to deem a case as frivolous without the need to rely on the other party. They get that authority from the law! They are bound to uphold those laws in their courts. They do not have the right to skip over the law at will. The lawsuit is easily established as past the SOL the moment the plaintiff states in their complaint the dates of default. From that moment on, why does the judge need to rely on the defendant to illustrate it if what youre saying is true?


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 19:15

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Okay here is a recent lawsuit from this month...

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/03/prweb3657014.htm

Boca Raton resident Steven J. Pincus incurred legal fees in excess of $100,000.00 dollars defending an alleged credit card debt of $800.00 dollars. Pincus later sued the debt collector in federal court for filing a time-barred lawsuit, a violation of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. The debt collector settled the matter for $120,000.00 dollars on February 15, 2010.


lrhall41

Submitted by pokertramp on Tue, 03/02/2010 - 07:03

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what part of "court isnt cut-and-dried" do you not get?

Look, I am not going to sit here and argue this back and forth with you all day long. You can show me case after case, and at the end of the day it does not change the fact that there are ten cases that courts KNOWINGLY ALLOW, and even award judgments when they KNOW the SOL has passed, to every one you can come up with.

Like I said, court is not what you think it is. What you see in one place does not mean it will be the same in another, or even the same in that same place. I could cite cases all day long, but all you need to do is look at this forum, and if you did you would find plenty of cases where people were sued past the SOL and the court was required by law to find for the debt collector. I dont like it, but thats the way we see it go time and time again. Man, even your quoting of the FTC website stated that a consumer's remedy for this is to motion for the judgment to be vacated, it did NOT say to sue under their own law!

I'm done going back and forth over this. Some things in court are HIGHLY subjective. It is NOT at all black and white. Spend some time dealing with civil court yourself, and I dont mean one case, and you will easily see what I am getting at. And when the FTC itself, the organization that's responsible for upholding the very law youre talking about, doesnt list this as an offense you can sue for under the FDCPA, that tells me that it is still very much within the gray area at best. Did I say it was right? Did I say I liked the fact that CA's do that? NO, I sure didnt, so get up off me already for pointing out the simple truth.


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Tue, 03/02/2010 - 18:32

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Forget it, it is obvious you have no idea on what you are talking about and nothing will get into your head. How you can sit there and say it is not a violation of the FDCPA is just crazy.

It is not up to the courts to monitor every single case that gets filed in a court house. It is up to the plaintiff to know what they are filing and a defendant to either hire an attorney or know how to fight a case themselves. Just because a few judges know it is time barred does not mean it is not a violation of the FDCPA.


lrhall41

Submitted by pokertramp on Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:08

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Also just so you know, The FTC cannot tell a consumer to sue, they do not have the right to say that. The only thing the FTC can so it make laws and outine the remidie of what can happen if the law is violated. Read the FDCPA and you will see nothing stated saying a consumer should sue a debt collector if they violate the FDCPA.


lrhall41

Submitted by pokertramp on Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokertramp
Also just so you know, The FTC cannot tell a consumer to sue, they do not have the right to say that. The only thing the FTC can so it make laws and outine the remidie of what can happen if the law is violated. Read the FDCPA and you will see nothing stated saying a consumer should sue a debt collector if they violate the FDCPA.


two things stand out on this one.....

First:
Quote:
The FTC cannot tell a consumer to sue, they do not have the right to say that. The only thing the FTC can so it make laws and outine the remidie of what can happen if the law is violated.


And what exactly did I just tell you in my previous post about the remedy THEY stated a consumer has available if a debt collector sues for a past-SOL debt? Thats the same thing I just told you! Think about it....

Second:
Quote:
Read the FDCPA and you will see nothing stated saying a consumer should sue a debt collector if they violate the FDCPA.


For one thing, I never said the FTC tells a consumer when they should sue. Where you get that from is anyone's guess. For another, as already shown, they DO state what REMEDY is available, and they do this within the FDCPA itself. In case youre still trying to question where I get this info from, perhaps you should go back and read section 813.

But hey, I'm just telling you what is true about the courts, the FTC's official statement on the matter, and so on. You posted things yourself from good sources, and when the FTC's quote that you posted proves what I am saying, there's no need for you to act like a spoiled brat about it. You tried to make a point. I questioned your point in a couple of threads. You then tried to make this personal by making a thread that was clearly aimed at me and what I have said. You didnt succeed on any of the above. If you really feel that your best option is to 'take your ball and go home', then perhaps you can rejoin us once you've grown up past such ridiculous behavior. We're all supposed to be adults here. I certainly didnt try to single you out and then act like that.....at the end of the day we are all supposed to be on the same side here, and my only issue is with information that could mislead others here. Stop taking this so personally, and stop trying to make it a personal issue for anyone here. You didnt need to make such an emphasizing thread like this, but you chose to. Perhaps you should have kept it about the information instead taking it like I personally jumped up your back side about something. There wasnt a single time here that I EVER singled you out when I questioned this info in those posts, so stop trying to single me out with this thread.


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Tue, 03/02/2010 - 21:01

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