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Affirmative Defenses and SOL Defense?

Date: Tue, 07/20/2010 - 23:33

Submitted by Angeldove
on Tue, 07/20/2010 - 23:33

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I'm wondering about something. How does it look to answer a summons and deny the debt, yet in your affirmative defenses, use beyond SOL?

It just seems that either you deny the debt or by saying it is beyond SOL, then you're not actually denying the debt - you're just saying you can't be sued because it is time barred.


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Originally Posted by Angeldove
I'm wondering about something. How does it look to answer a summons and deny the debt, yet in your affirmative defenses, use beyond SOL?

It just seems that either you deny the debt or by saying it is beyond SOL, then you're not actually denying the debt - you're just saying you can't be sued because it is time barred.


you answered your own question.if you know it's past SOL,and can prove it then that is how you answer.only deny if you actually either can't recall the debt,or are sure it's not yours.to do what you bought up in the first part of your thread would not be good in my eyes,and would delay a dismissal.not saying it won't happen.but to give mixed signals will prolong the proceedings.


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Submitted by paulmergel on Wed, 07/21/2010 - 13:16

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I am not so sure! I received a debt notification about an old phone bill. It was for over 700.00. I know that no phone company I ever dealt with would let me go that high without suspending service! I found an old bill that was past due from 6 years ago that was for around 79.00. I wrote a letter to validate the debt and also prove it was not time barred. The collector wrote back and said the debt was being returned to the original creditor who was another collection agency. Both defenses applied here. Denying and claiming SOL were not contradictory in this case! Nor would they be in court.
Basically what I was claiming is that I never owed a phone bill of that size and it was beyond statute anyway!


lrhall41

Submitted by Frogpatch on Wed, 07/21/2010 - 13:29

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Originally Posted by frogpatch
I am not so sure! I received a debt notification about an old phone bill. It was for over 700.00. I know that no phone company I ever dealt with would let me go that high without suspending service! I found an old bill that was past due from 6 years ago that was for around 79.00. I wrote a letter to validate the debt and also prove it was not time barred. The collector wrote back and said the debt was being returned to the original creditor who was another collection agency. Both defenses applied here. Denying and claiming SOL were not contradictory in this case! Nor would they be in court.
Basically what I was claiming is that I never owed a phone bill of that size and it was beyond statute anyway!


that is a different animal as you disputed the debt size.angeldove bought up total denial.i also had some friends a couple of years ago with that ezample as well.disputed the amount of the debt.then realized that is past SOL.disputing part of the debt i think is really not a problem,but issuing total denial then claiming it's past SOL might prolong a simple dismissal.not saying it won't be dismissed.just think some judges might question that when they really shouldn't.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Wed, 07/21/2010 - 16:42

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well, keep this in mind, it also depends on what information you have.

Example--I was contacted not too long back by Portfolio about an old phone bill that they claimed I owed. I didnt even live in the state where this account was from at the time they said it originated.....but they did tell me when the account was opened, and when their records show last payment being made. When all was said and done, SOl and denying could both be used in this case....because the SOL claim would have been based strictly upon information provided by the CA itself.


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Wed, 07/21/2010 - 21:45

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Thanks for the replies! I've heard so many people listing their affirmative defenses and including SOL as one, while in their answer - they said that they had no knowledge of the alleged obligation, etc. That's where I just can't quite get it.

I guess maybe in one way, that could be taken that they don't recognize the debt, but in case it is something so old . . . they throw in the SOL as a defense?

I just keep waiting for some judge or the plaintiff's attorney to ask them if they basically are saying the debt is not theirs . . . how can they plead SOL as a defense? At that point, I think I would crawl under the table! LOL! :rolleyes:

On the other hand if you do really recognize the debt, but you know it is beyond SOL - how would you list your defenses?


lrhall41

Submitted by Angeldove on Thu, 07/22/2010 - 14:54

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well, hang on a second....

Is this already in court? If you are in the process of being sued, look on the summons/complaint. Did they list any info about when the account was opened? Heres how I would handle this one...if you think it is past SOL, I would proceed with the standard response of requesting discovery. One of two things will happen, either they wont have documentation and you can move for dismissal with prejudice, or they will have documentation and it will show the age of the debt. At that point, if SOL is past, I would then move for dismissal with prejudice on the grounds of expired SOL. Remember, even if you recognize the debt, you need to force the debt collector to prove their legal right to collect on it, as well as verify the amount as true and correct. The way for you to do this is to make the plaintiff provide the documentation that will prove SOL for you.


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Fri, 07/23/2010 - 03:38

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In magistrate court in my county anyway - they would not let me file for discovery.

And on the summons (the case I'm talking about now is over and was dismissed without prejudice before court time), there was nothing to show when the alleged debt occurred. I guess if it had of gone to court, at some time the plaintiff would have "had" to show some kind of documentation at which point then maybe a discussion about SOL could be entertained? Then again, when you're already at court and you haven't been able to ask for discovery and don't really know what debt they are talking about - you're kinda there empty handed with no back up proof.


lrhall41

Submitted by Angeldove on Fri, 07/23/2010 - 09:29

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