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Advance America's response to my ACH revocation

Date: Mon, 08/16/2010 - 06:15

Submitted by anonymous
on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 06:15

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At ApplyAdvanceAmerica.com, we understand how important it is to our customers to have access to payday advance funds as soon as possible after an advance is approved. That's why we fund our advances through an electronic funds transfer provided by the automated clearing house ('ACH') network. We also provide for repayment of advances via ACH. Because our advances are single payment advances (that is, we advance a sum of money that is to be repaid in a lump sum), we are permitted to require ACH repayment in accordance with the Federal Electronic Funds Transfer Act ('EFTA').

Under the EFTA, a lender cannot require a consumer to repay a loan by means of preauthorized electronic funds transfers as a condition to approving the consumer's loan. The term 'preauthorized electronic funds transfer' is narrowly defined by the EFTA to mean 'an electronic funds transfer authorized to recur at substantially regular intervals.' As explained by the Federal Reserve Staff in its official commentary to the EFTA, 'Creditors may not require repayment of loans by electronic means on a preauthorized, recurring basis.' 12 C.F.R. 205, Supplement I ???????? Official Staff Commentary, at 10(e) (1) (Loan Payments). As a one-time payment, the repayment of a ApplyAdvanceAmerica.com advance is not encompassed by the EFTA's definition of 'preauthorized electronic funds transfer,' and is therefore permitted under the EFTA.


Are they correct, or are they trying to side-step the rules a bit?


Don't they still have to abide by this (?):


907. Preauthorized transfers
(a) A preauthorized electronic fund transfer from a consumer's account may be authorized by the consumer only in writing, and a copy of such authorization shall be provided to the consumer when made. A consumer may stop payment of a preauthorized electronic fund transfer by notifying the financial institution orally or in writing at any time up to three business days preceding the scheduled date of such transfer. The financial institution may require written confirmation to be provided to it within fourteen days of an oral notification if, when the oral notification is made, the consumer is advised of such requirement and the address to which such confirmation should be sent.
(b) In the case of preauthorized transfers from a consumer's account to the same person which may vary in amount, the financial institution or designated payee shall, prior to each transfer, provide reasonable advance notice to the consumer, in accordance with regulations of the Board, of the amount to be transferred and the scheduled date of the transfer.
[Codified to 15 U.S.C. 1693e]


Re-read their claim:

As a one-time payment, the repayment of a ApplyAdvanceAmerica.com advance is not encompassed by the EFTA's definition of 'preauthorized electronic funds transfer,' and is therefore permitted under the EFTA.

I know I'm not a lawyer, and don't know if a few (or any) frequent these forums, but I need to know if what they are saying is correct. (Either fully, partially, or not at all)


lrhall41

Submitted by on Mon, 08/16/2010 - 06:42

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[QUOTE=Anonymous;735772]Re-read their claim:

As a one-time payment, the repayment of a ApplyAdvanceAmerica.com advance is not encompassed by the EFTA's definition of 'preauthorized electronic funds transfer,' and is therefore permitted under the EFTA.

I know I'm not a lawyer, and don't know if a few (or any) frequent these forums, but I need to know if what they are saying is correct. (Either fully, partially, or not at all)[/QUOTE]
I am forwarding this thread to skydvr, please keep checking back for his reply, he will review this when possible.


lrhall41

Submitted by Shazzers on Wed, 08/18/2010 - 18:56

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Well, the debit from Advance America didn't go through and furthermore the account that I closed with PNC doesn't appear to have been reopened. (At least from what I am able to tell online.)

I don't have any e-mails, voice mails, text messages or other nasty grams from either Sandpoint or Advance America about the missed payments. Advance is legal and I do plan on paying them what I owe. What I didn't understand, or appreciate, was the almost snobbish response they provided me when I stated my intent on revoking ACH debits by them on my account. Neither company has responded directly, or indirectly, to the request to revoke any wage assignment I had with them.


I'm looking forward to having this whole thing behind me and moving on with my life. After I get my own personal issues resolved I'm going to 'return the favor' and offer up help and support to others here. (Seems only fair)


lrhall41

Submitted by on Thu, 08/19/2010 - 06:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymous


. What I didn't understand, or appreciate, was the almost snobbish response they provided me when I stated my intent on revoking ACH debits by them on my account. Neither company has responded directly, or indirectly, to the request to revoke any wage assignment I had with them.



They are trained to be firm, however, many employees push the limit.


lrhall41

Submitted by Shazzers on Sat, 08/21/2010 - 06:15

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