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Date: Sat, 04/22/2006 - 21:23

Submitted by anonymous
on Sat, 04/22/2006 - 21:23

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Have been rsearching Texas law tonight...and think I might have a way to get some of my PDLs to cancel my debt owed...might not end up needing T&C afterall. Here's what I found in the Texas Code:

Texas appears to have an interest cap of 48% apr + a $10 loan fee per loan. Also saw a statute regarding "alternate interest" on cash advances >$100. It states that a $10 acquisition fee is allowed + an installment handling charge of $4/month per $100 loaned.

I have paid WAY more interst in this. How do you think I should proceed? I am more than willing to write a letter and FAX it to the PDL folks and see how they respond.

My PDLs are all with internet lenders...most are based in Utah and Delaware, which coincidentally have NO cap on finance charges!


Did some more research...it appears that Texas law DOES require all lenders "doing business" in the state to be licensed. The consequences of doing business w/out a license is pretty steep too :)! I am a licensed attorney who got into my payday loan hole after graduation when I was unable to secure a full-time job right away.

I am making great money now, but after the fees are paid and my bills are paid...I'm barely having anything leftover. I just want it done with once and for all. Contracted w/T&C, but may actually get some of them to cancel my debt b/c of the non-licensure AND the fact that they have charged WAY over the Texas interest cap!!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 04/23/2006 - 08:00

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wendy, don't feel bad there are many of us here that have gotten into the same situation. No one is immune if they get to the point that there is no alternative.

Many members here have been able to get loans forgiven, though the lender says they are on the "do not loan" list. Oh hurt me lol. It bears repeating though to make sure you get a written statement from the lender to verify an email or spoken agreement, because underhanded pdl have come back and tried to collect from people after saying the loan was paid in full. And also, in case they sell the loan to a collection agency later.

Good luck!


lrhall41

Submitted by set4sail on Sun, 04/23/2006 - 10:37

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Thanks...my PDL issues are my secret shame...no one knows about them other than on here. Not my family, not my friends. It's just so embarassing to let people know how out-of-control your finances have gotten. Just knowing I'm not the only one in this boat has made me feel so much better!

Here's what I found out about Texas law from a quick internet search. The Texas Office of Consumer Credit Commissioned cracked down last year and instituted the following regulations:

Quote:

(1) All PDL companies are to be licensed in order to loan in Texas. Further, a person must not, "use any device, subterfuge, or pretense to evade application of this section."

(2) There is a cap on interest. LICENSED PDL companies may charge a $10 upfront fee, plus $4 per $100 loaned per MONTH.

Also, a loan contract may provide for an admin fee of $20 for a loan of $1K or less. This refinance fee can only be charged once per 180-day period.

(3) Loans that rollover more than twice MUST be turned into declining balance loans with a set repayment schedule.

Maximum loan term for a cash advance >$100 = one month for each multiple of $20.

(4) A lender MAY NOT take as security for a loan an ASSIGNMENT OF WAGE!!!

Penalties and Remedies available per Texas Finance Code Chapter 305:

(1) For charging interest in excess of what is allowed = 3X the amount computed by subtracting the amount of interest allowed by law from total interested charged OR $2K or 20% of the amount of principal (whichever is less).

(2) Also...a creditor who charges and receives interest that is GREATER THAN TWICE THE AMOUNT allowed is liable to obligor for (A) principal amount on which the interest is charged/received AND (B) interest and all other amounts charged/received.

This info is from the Consumers Union website and provisions of the Texas Commerce Code.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 04/23/2006 - 12:51

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Texas provides more information on remedies. VA law just states that civil action can be taken by the consumer if a lender violates VA law. May be able to recover actual and punitive damages.

I was looking it up for someone else last night, and IN law states that the violating company can be made to pay the consumer $1000 per violation. I like that straightforward statement, like the TX law.


lrhall41

Submitted by set4sail on Sun, 04/23/2006 - 13:02

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Big surprise...none of them are licensed in Texas. So...according to my thinking, these are invalid contracts b/c the PDL companies I have loans with are not licensed to lend in Texas. Think I'll send out a letter or two and see what the response is. Plus...even they WERE licensed in Texas, they totally are in violation of the interest rate cap.

Anyone think I have a shot at getting some of my loans marked PAID IN FULL? I hope they put me on a DO NOT LOAN list b/c I NEVER want to see a PDL again in my life!! I know that some people here have had luck w/GW Financial and Cashnet 500, two of my lenders!!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 04/23/2006 - 16:30

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From the Texas AG's office bulletins:

(1) A usurious contract is NOT ENFORCEABLE under TX law!! So, if a PDL lender does not follow TX law, it would appear that the contract is immediately void.

(2) There is a 10% cap on short-term loan interest...unless the lender is licensed.

The more I search, the better the news seems to get :)!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 04/23/2006 - 19:51

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Crystal,

Are you also a Texas resident?

Here's a sample letter from Polly's blog that you can use as a basis for your own letter.

http://pollyandsay.yesdebtfree.org/template-letter-for-settlement-with-internet-payday-lenders/

Include your state law citations for licensing and fee limits, and if possible include how much you have borrowed, how much was repaid, and how much would be allowed by your state law.

Good luck! Please pm anyone of us here in the thread and we will be more than happy to help you.

Dana


lrhall41

Submitted by set4sail on Fri, 04/28/2006 - 09:51

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When you say that Texas has a 48% interest cap on loans + $10, are you telling us that the renewal fees that add up to 48% of said loan is all we're obligated to pay? I think I read that PDL lenders in Texas and the person borrowing the money can agree to rollover the loan numerous times. If this is true, does this make the %48 cap null and void? I have 4 loans from store fronts in Texas and at least 2 of 'em have gotten their money back atleast 2X over what I originally borrowed. I defaulted on all 4. One I'm paying back and receiving no hassle. I've paid them the equivilent to what I borrowed. Another I'm still paying on, but it's the second of an original loan that I paid off serveral times over in fees. They are the sister company of another one that just went to collection and the one in collection has been paid off several times over since I opened it in September.
What I'm confused with is interpreting the law. I paid the 2 "sister" companies religiously, but they were the first to threaten me with hot check prosecution. I "ve paid them more than the original balance that Iborrowed in fees as I stated earlier, but I want to see if I can rightfully send them a letter stating that I've paid them far and above what the state allows, but do I have a leg to stand on? The other 2 companies were paid also, but because I'm behind, they're all threatening collection and I just think it's crap to have paid all these people above and beyond the original amount of what they gave me only to have them have the power to further damage my already damaged finacial situation. I've repaid them they're money. Just because, after several months I reached the point to where I couldn't pay 'em, they have the right to even remotely prosecute? If I borrowed 300 in September and defaulted in January after making $90 payments bi-weekly, please tell me that the %48 works in my favor. That's about 9 bi-weekly payments @90, which means about $810 in fees alone without retiring the balance. Do I have a leg to stand on or am I SOL?


lrhall41

Submitted by notell39 on Mon, 05/01/2006 - 23:35

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