NO more sagging pants...

As a mom who raised has been through teenage years three times the boys are 25,23,and 18. I am all for the sagging pants fine. I despise the whole sagging pants thing. I would take my kids clothes shopping and make sure the clothes fit, then they would get their friends to take them to exchange them. The 25 and 23 yr old still wear that garbage. Baggy is one thing, falling off your backside is another.

I have always hated that look!!!! My nephew was into that and mys sis allowed it...I am very thankful my son was/is very conservative and never liked that...would have been a fight!!

I, also, hate that look. I know my son likes his pants a little big but baggy and falling off are 2 diff things! I would NOT allow my son to walk out of my house looking like that... Thanks goodness he also doesn't push it.
Also, our public schools wear uniforms to school and some of the kids wear their uniforms like this also. I mean, c'mon, i know the parents bought these pants, don't u see that they're 10 sizes too big??
I refuse to let my son walk out the door for school without a belt on, (which is a school dress code rule btw) So how do these parents NOT see this?
Well, no more here! It's a $250 fine for first offense!
Ang

I hate that look and recently found out where it really came from. If youth toady knew about it I doubt they would be wearing their pants like that.

In prision men wore their pants like that when they are ready for a mate.

I too dislike this look and would be upset if my boys wanted to dress with their butts hanging out. It is not allowed per the dress code in the school system, and they are pretty strict until the kids get into 12th grade. But is it really right to impose a fine on how someone dresses? What about plumbers? :lol:

Well it's considered indecent. They tried to get partial nudity in there too but it wouldn't hold up in court so they went with indecent exposure. And btw, this goes for girls too! If the pants are too low and showing under garments they also can be fined!
Ang

LOL @ plumbers!
U added that after i already posted my above post!
But i'm lol!
:lol:
Ang

We live in a small farm town so the most we see are some midriffs showing on girls. Or the occasional heavy metal dressers with odd colored hair and some face piercings.

FYI- didn't know that about the pants :lol: That is really crazy that a town would do that- I'm all for it- can't stand the look.

Luckily my sons didn't want that- it wouldn't have been allowed anyway!

I was at wally world picking up a prescription for my mom yesterday, and the boy-about 19, was doing the baggy pants thing.

He also had big holes in them, so I stood there for an hour looking at his underware :lol: The hole was so big you could see all of his underware on one side- pretty disgusting. Don't know why they think this looks cool! It just looks like they are really poor and can't aford new clothes to me- but I'm old- so what do I know!!..KAren

They do that here too. I wish my town would start fining people for it, but they would have to fine 3/4 of the town. One nurse I work with has told them to either pull up their pants or leave the floor. They grumble about it but they do it. The worst is the ones that don't wear underwear underneath. Gross!

I hate that look. Thank god my son does not like that style. I see a lot of that down here in Miami. They think they look cool with all the undies showing and the girls with low low cut jeans and you can see that back of their g-string showing disgusting!

None of our schools or near by towns schools, allow them to be worn to school..KAren

But as long as they wear basketball shorts over their boxers, they won't be subject to police harassment, right? If this is not the case, then I'd love to see this end up in appeals court.

I am all for banning this in schools; I'd love to see uniforms instituted in every public school.

LOL!!

Interesting, hearing someone who is pro uniforms for public schools. The elementary schools in my son's district are voting on unies. I don't want them...I am all for individuality, and think uniforms can squelch that.

When they where those clothes, like that, I wonder how they have respect for themselves much less anyone else.

luke

I think uniforms are the best things they've doen in our schools in a very long time! It has actually affected attendence and grades! My son has worn uniforms for all of his school career. He's in 10th grade now!
Uniforms make life SO much easier!
Ang

I agree, uniforms gives sturcture, and still allows for individuality.


Luke

I don't like the uniforms. I think it helps strip kids of the creativity. It is the parents job to make sure theyr kids are appropriately attired.

But creativity is not just in ur dress, it's in ur heart, ur soul and ur mind!! Our school systems have benefited tremendously since uniforms were implemented! Also it's SO much easier for both the kids and the parents!! They already know each day what they will be wearing the next day and also it's not as strict as private schools. U do get a choice of diff color pants and shirts. Pants are navy blue, black or kahki and shirts are red, white or blue.
My son is SO used to wearing them he doesn't mind at all.
Ang

How you dress expresses your feelings without a word being said. It expresses your attitude twards life, how confident you are in yourself. If the entire world wore a uniform to work each day I may agree but they don't.

But lots do.... lots of employees wear uniforms! And i guess it's just how each person interprets it... i personally LOVE uniforms!
Ang

I am a counselor and we often tell the adolescents where sagging came from to try to deter them from "sagging." We don't allow it in our groups and the alternative schools don't allow it in our area. Public schools aren't supposed to allow it but it isn't strictly enforced. I remember when I was in school we had one teacher who would make the boys leave if their shirts weren't tucked in properly. Times sure have changed, haven't they?

The kids here also have to have their shirts tucked in and also belts on! If u forget ur belt they have rope u can use as replacement!
;)
Ang

That is AWESOME. I love it! Kids have gotten sooo out of control in our area. I live in a relative small (but quickly growing town) and we have been having problems with gangs lately. In fact, there have been several gang related shootings in the past couple of months. Sadly, the kids doing the shooting are babies (13, 14, 15 years old). One gang member's grandmother was shot and it was terrifying to see the look in that kids eye. Stone cold is all I can say. And forget about them not retaliating. Structure HAS to be enforced. I'm all for maintaining control and for discipline with them because these days, in my town, they will NOT think twice about seriously hurting someone.

fyi--WOW!!!!!!it's the quote parent's job to quote----- make sure the children are appropriately attired? Hello!!!!!! what about people who are broke and can't afford to dress their kids in the accepted norm?!!!!!that is the reason of why school uniforms were approved across America in first place!!!!! you must have a total huge grip of money with no regard to others ---because here in CA the USA where I live--children on a daily basis were being robbed and beaten up because of their $100+ tennis shoes they HAD to have because t.v. told them so---a dress code in no way shape or form is bad!!!!!!and here in Ca ---expressing your feelings with colors you wear sagging pants etc--is what forced the dress code in the first place to save children's lives!!!HELLO!!!!!!!!!--yah expression could have been a wonderful thing that worked--if only people would have taught their children from the 1980's till now--that they can't blame everything ---what has gone wrong in everyone they have known lives is everyone elses' fault---this expression thing is another bull crap way to try and make up for inferior parental feeling about obligations---call me crazy FYI! but the way things are these days---kids should have the right to express themselves and do what they want and act how they want and dress how they want when their parents are monetarily in charge-but --when they are in federal paid for school and parent are on welfare etc programs --they need rules and should follow rules--especially since parents have a hard time these days teaching them!!!!express yourself? by dressing? no>? express yourself by making a real difference and stop whining about the people who don't very simply give in? !!!!!!!!! thanks!!!!!

Hankyspanky42,

Even though I am not a moderator I still have a comment; I respect FYI's opinion, just as much as I do yours. Please try not to be rude in your replies. We are all here together to help each other and to embrace each other if need be. Please try to relax and breath before you type. Love and..........

All the Best,
Luke

Everytime I see a kid dressed like that I can't help but think, "If we made them dress like that, they would throw a fit!"

Hey FYI, bet if half them knew that, they would not be wearing them, LOL.

I think we need to be careful here- everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and to be able to express that-without judgement or blame.

My sons are about as old as most of you. I don't know what the accepted norm is, but my boys were raised that this is what we can afford, like it or not. They dressed the way they could express themselves, and very cheaply too!!

As parents, we do the best we can with what we have to work with, does that make us inferior parents-think not. It simply means everyone is doing the best they can for that given day.

I too work with juveniles in the legal system. Know what almost all of them say is wrong with their lives? That they feel accepted, loved and valued in their gangs. So, as parents, we have to instill this at a young age, and that they belong, otherwise, they will find somewhere they do belong.

And everyone who has posted and has children here- is doing that! I hear alot of love and acceptance about your lives and children!

AHHHH-got to get off this soapbox! Did counseling at 2am, and was back up at 7am doing it agin- is hard to turn off sometimes..KAren :oops: sorry!

No problem Karen as i always tell my grown children, i'm sorry for some of the things i've done but i only did the best i knew how at the time! We ALL love our children and want the best for them... Sure never meant this to turn in to anything more than just a chat about a new law!
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Ang

There's no problem Ang! It's good to have discussions and different points of view- makes one think! But it has to be done in a civil discussion!!

Got to run- gotta take my new baby to the park-for some reason she won't go in the yard, so we drive to the park a few blocks away!!I need to do it fast- have been on the 'puter this morning!!

hey guys didn't mean to get so emotional and sound like in attack mode I know everyone here is trying to help but sometimes comments (even though only opinions) don't make sense--Luke thanks for the love you have always shown--you are such a sweetheart!!--and I will not attack so fiercely in whatever future post I may make --but I live in a suburb close to Los Angeles Ca --the housing market brought a surge of out of towners into our community--and brought with them--more gang violence--deaths/drive by shootings/vandalism --children being beaten up and harassed --this all evolved in our sleepy community-- before a gang task force could regroup and effectively start responding to new problems --if you actually understand the reasons behind a school dress code--it is not to suppress one's right of expression or individuality--it is not to turn our children into carbon copies of what we as adult's think they should be--it is simply one more thing we can do (in today's world)to help save our children's lives and to help keep them from being beaten up and being picked on and to help save them the embarrassment if they can't afford the designer or trendy clothes everyone else is wearing--so many parents I have spoken to think that uniforms are a Godsend !! but of course--other people think it might suppress a right to expression !-- and hey sorry if I got so defensive--but there are two sides to every story and I feel so strongly about this that I responded with anger and disbelief!!! And until you live in a town, county, or state where you personally know of innocent children who have been harmed, beaten up, picked on etc. because they had the wrong clothes on at school or were wearing the clothes that other children wanted to steal from them--or simply think they are being cool by emulating gang member clothing ---I pray that you will never have to experience my feelings of anger regarding what used to be such a trivial matter--we all have opinions and I didn't intend to seem so mean-I'm not gonna ruin your little group "click of friends" anymore --so--post- be happy and I'll keep my offensive opinions to myself! (at least on this site when I know I might offending someone's friend)--wow face to face is so much better to discuss your true feelings!especially when you have very strong feelings on subject---anyways peace sorry my reality check was so harsh!!!! but I'm not apologizing for the way I feel --just the way I angrily made my reply! :D

I understand Hankyspanky42, my prayers are with you and your family.

Luke

I'm sorry if you feel that we have a click of friends. I consider everone on this site, all 90,000, to be my friend, unless you tell me otherwise.

I do understand about violence-deal with the violence everyday-gang members too. I live where there is at least 2 killings a day- most of them kids killing kids.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion-whether I agree or not, or understand it. I was simply saying that this is the Pub, where active discussions are, which is good. But if we start to personally single out someone, we can't do that. It's like I was explaining to a client,who is a gang memeber, you become what you are pointing at. In other words, I become less open minded and understanding when I point out how close minded and not understanding you are. Everyone can express their views.

I hope you re-consider about leaving this forum It is to help people, and give them acceptance and understandng..Karen ok- I'm not posting- I get on a soapbox too much!!

hi Karen and thank you --I DO need to be more open minded on this subject (and others when I think they are SO out of the mix) where people are only speaking opinions rather than experience or ACTUAL knowledge --(I don't yet understand workings of this sight even though I really appreciate all the kind free advice that didn't cost me a cent and left me with such a good feeling of how nice everyone was that I referred several people I have met to this site because of the way I was treated and now I keep coming back)--I think I wrongly assumed that all moderators on this sight have a vast knowledge of what they are commenting on and are highly educated--and that isn't the case--they are only helping others with the knowledge they have accumulated --I have been involved with a family business for over 30 years and have many long term relationships with customers --I am now at the point where am dealing with customers' grandchildren moving out on their own and-- these people from all walks of life tell me they have kept coming back because they KNOW!--I am good people and have always treated them right (and it's not about business it's all about respect and caring)-- of course I don't know you people at all! anyways -I recently cried hugged and prayed with a customer who has purchased merchandise since 1975 from me (I was 15 years old at the time)-- who had just lost her grandson due to a mistaken drive-by shooting when he was getting gas at a station--because he was wearing the wrong color of blue shirt(light blue instead of dark blue the accepted gang territory color)this child was mistaken for a gang member at the wrong place and was mistakenly taken for the enemy--he was 18 years old--and in the wrong place at the wrong time!!! now he was a young black male--my oldest son--white male -- now 20 years old fought with me for three years to have his butt crack hanging out of his pants because it was "cool"--that's what all the kids were wearing--and ya know what?expression is okay and it might be COOL-yes -- It might be cool if they weren't trying to emulate the thugs,drug dealers,gang-bangas across our country --it is not a form of expression that we should allow!! Just wait until someone you know or someone you slightly know --has a child or young adult killed because they dressed in known gang related clothing--see how nice you are when someone says--"These kids should be allowed to express themselves" that's why I was so angry but I have dealt with this and moved on--still I warn if this hasn't hit your city or town yet--dress codes--ban on sagging pants---DOES save children's lives and embarrassment--that's my opinion and I grew up in an environment where we never locked our doors!!! Thanks again Luke! you are the kindest!!!

P.S. Bossy? quote "you become what you are pointing at?" nope in my opinion what you are pointing at is the things you should TRY to avoid at all costs with everything you have ever had instilled in you from whatever upbringing you have been given-- simply because you know they are wrong--a gang member is pointing at who? hopefully an inspiration instead of a downfall--and hopefully someone in their life can effectively inspire them and they won't become whatever you tell them they are pointing at --instead I hope you will start teaching that "your wishbone is your backbone" start living by this-- be true to yourself and stand up for what is wrong!!--I can't believe a counselor for a gang member is telling him or her "you are what you are pointing at" where I come from and have been--they only elude to the life they have known and have been taught and think they are (and they aren't what they are pointing at or think they are destined to be stuck in--)--they simply have to be taught differently---and Bossy- you must be from a different state of mental health and welfare where your line gets through to these gang members--but I challenge you to come to Calif.--and tell me how I am not open minded-having dealt with the real deal!!not bashing--just difference in opinion because we are obviously from different areas of teaching or you would not hold such opinions!!!! peace! love!! joy!!!I hope your gang members you deal with don't evolve into what we are dealing with in this part of the country!! good luck and God Bless!!

If this sounds rude, then I am sorry. When I first came to this website I needed help right away and advise. I was so scared and alone. If I came to this site today for the first time and was reading what has been going on here lately, like above, with all the self bikering, I WOULD HAVE MOVED ON AND FOUND ANOTHER SITE!! Please stop the picking at each other and do what you came here to do, help others!!

Thank you,
Luke

Holy Schmoly!
I didn't mean to start an all out war over saggin pants here!! I'm trying to give everyone the benefit of doubt and obviously this is a very passionate subject for some.... I think we are ALL grown ups here and have our own opinions on such matters but plz let's be respectful to each other even if we dont' agree... Agree to disagree??
Thanks,
Ang

Hey...here's something funny about saggy pants. i was on the streetcar trolley here in town, and was watching a teenager with his pants sagging so much they were below his butt. I could see the Spongebob on his boxers. When he got off the streetcar, his pants fell around his ankles becuase he forgot to hold them up as he walked. He stumbled and almost fell over. Everyone on the streetcar laughed...even the REAL gang members that were on there. It really made my day. :lol:

This is the last time I am responding to this thread. The point I was making was, if you point out someones' flaws, character defects, talk bad about them, saying how they are talking bad, doing bad, etc., you are no better than they are-you stoop to their level.

I have been in the gang task force and Dept. of Corrections for over 13 years- You always teach kids- gangs or not- they don't have to have their destiny set out by others-they set their own. Teaching them accountability, self worth, self esteem, and acceptance by positive role models, is one way not to fall into the trap of getting in with negative peers.

Ther is not going to be any bickering, like Angsaid, we are entitled to express our opinions, experiences, without arguing.

And yes, a good friend of mine had a son murdered, so I know what parents go through by her experience..

This is a thread about sagging pants, for petes sake- I love the one about his pants falling down- always wondered how they kept them up when they walked!!..KAren

Ya know I've had to erase what I was going to write a few times, no make that several times. Because almost every time I've caught myself responding in a way that could inadvertanly make someone feel like I was "attacking" them and they would feel about right.
So I am not going to post it.

I will never agree that school uniforms are good for public schools. My parents were divorced when I was very young and my father never paid child support. I wore street clothes to school from resales stores, garage sales, fire sales, hand me downs and from discount retailers. I created my own outfits from a plethra of clothes that weren't bought at department stores and I was never picked on at school for what I wore. If I was picked on for anything it was because I had super duper curly hair.

I will always maintain that people express who they are and what they stand and for with their mode of dress. If someone wears their pants around their knees I assume that they are either ready to take on mate or that they are extremely sloppy and couldn't care less about their apperance. It is important for children early on to be taught from their parents and adumts around them how to dress appropriately and why and then learn how to express themselves without offending others and embarassing themselves.

Ever person is entitled to their own opinion and it is ok to disagree with someone else's opinion. It's all about how you carry it out that makes the difference.

BTW- I so did not use spell check.

didn't mean to offend only got intense because people around me are being killed re holly shmoly sagging pants issue--hope no one on this sight ever has to think this is such a serious issue--hope it is just always a fun topic to discuss and dismiss!

The sagging pants has a meaning that most boys don't know. Sagging pants comes from how certain prisoners sag their pants. However, the sagging of the pants is to show that he is someone's '****' or has been 'done' in the ass by another prisoner. He is forced to wear his pants sagging. The kids think that sagging the pants is a gang trait, but it is not. And no, I have never been to jail or prison. :) I know some will say, "how do you know that". Research is how I came across this trend.

[color=Red]****Adult term removed - Jason[/color]

I think this was mentioned by FYI earlier in the post Anthony! And NO i did NOT know this either!
:shock:
Maybe we should share this with the kids today!
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Ang

Did you get my last PM?

Nope, no PM from u!
:(
Ang

Send me one, I'll forward it back to you. My pm must not have come through.

Okie dokie, sent
:D
Ang

probably my last post here people (as several here have encouraged me to boycott sight and stop posting due to all the b.s.) --but I absolutely had to add this after thought to this particular subject of sagging pants before I leave--today was a very sad day for me but I don't think I am different from anyone else who has ever experienced a very sad day--however--the thought of quote "No more sagging pants"somehow kept running through my head--almost 3 years ago I hired a young hispanic man--whom we eventually nicknamed "U" -he was from the minute he introduced himself totally up front with me- that he had been in gangs--and had grown up with family member's teaching him the lifestyle and still living it --he had spent time in juvenile hall--and wanted to prove that he could rise above what people expected him to turn out to be--he asked me for a chance to let him prove that he could do it and promised I wouldn't regret this (I often get accused of being ate-up because I give people chances)--so of course I hired him and this young man was a very hard worker--and actually treated people with more respect than most of our workers--was a joy to be around--then he eventually got into trouble because he was in a car with his cousins who were known registered gang members and they had a stolen firearm in vehicle--he spent 6 months in county jail--and afterwards I took him back on with company because I still believed in this kid who said he had finally learned his lesson --and then I finally had to let him go because he started calling in sick too many times on weekends--today almost 5 months later-- Nov 8 2007 --he is in the obituary column because he got shot participating in a home invasion with gang members who entered home to set it on fire due to a drug deal gone wrong--okay--I'm still sending flowers to his family --this kid has a mom who is hurting terribly right now--this kid grew up in a saggy baggy pants environment and tried to get away from it all because he didn't want to be a part of it--and he died two nights ago before he reached the age of 21--and he might of made some very very bad choices and decisions in his very short life--but I can honestly say that this young man was one of the most respectful and hard working individuals that I have met in a very long time. So I guess it's a different story when you come from the other side of the track and are only trying to express yourself by dressing like the cool thugs--and when you are born into this crap and either have to lay down and be a thug or spend the rest of your life trying to find a way out of it. enuff on this subject but today--saggy baggy pants subject only makes me cry--one of my sales managers' said "Oh my God it could have been your house he invaded!" Maybe-- and then again maybe not--I still sent sympathy card and flowers to his family. and now I wish you all the best that life has to offer cya!