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Whats the point?

Date: Fri, 06/20/2008 - 21:39

Submitted by anonymous
on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 21:39

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I am a Massachusetts debtor. I am sick and tired of these debt collectors and mostly these debt collector attorneys.

I complained to the Attorney general, division of banks, secretary of state, board of bar overseers. I should
complain to the governor because he is the only person left. I went to the NACA and called every attorney asking for help and none of them will.

I am judgment proof right now so they can't get anything out of me but I don't mention this to the people I have contacted.

I called the Board of Bar overseers on attorney misconduct. He falsely advertises his law firm on the internet saying he has many attorneys working for him when he doesn't list who they are. He uses an AOL e-mail address, says he is experienced in debt collection and follows the fdcpa to a T.

He is a scumbag attorney I got 2 letters from his law firm threatening to sue me. The letters are not signed by an attorney but the BBO says I am wrong and that a debt collector can sign on an attorney letter head.
I told her she is wrong and she said I wasted her time and need to review the laws better. I hung up on her.

Can anyone clarify that for me? Also is it just my state who has crooked a$$holes who have all the laws implemented but fail to enforce them?


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I am a Massachusetts debtor. I am sick and tired of these debt collectors and mostly these debt collector attorneys.


And yet, you haven't sent a CND letter?

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I complained to the Attorney general, division of banks, secretary of state, board of bar overseers. I should
complain to the governor because he is the only person left. I went to the NACA and called every attorney asking for help and none of them will.

Perhaps no one wants to take a weak/non-existent claim.

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I am judgment proof right now so they can't get anything out of me but I don't mention this to the people I have contacted.


This statement provides reinforcement to my second response. If you truly had a case, an attorney would be asking for a retainer up front.

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I called the Board of Bar overseers on attorney misconduct. He falsely advertises his law firm on the internet saying he has many attorneys working for him when he doesn't list who they are. He uses an AOL e-mail address, says he is experienced in debt collection and follows the fdcpa to a T.

You clearly do not understand what "false advertising" is. "Many attorneys" could very well include attorneys to whom he outsources work. "Follows the FDCPA to a T" could mean that he????????s never lost an FDCPA suit. Perhaps the most important point of all: you are not his client.

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He is a scumbag attorney I got 2 letters from his law firm threatening to sue me. The letters are not signed by an attorney but the BBO says I am wrong and that a debt collector can sign on an attorney letter head.
I told her she is wrong and she said I wasted her time and need to review the laws better. I hung up on her.
Can anyone clarify that for me?

Well???????if the collector is an employee of the law firm, then there is no reason that the firm????????s letterhead couldn????????t be used.
True/false: you are the same guest who did not understand why an attorney did not need a license to collect, even though a letter from the state of Mass. Specifically referenced the attorney at law exclusion?

Also, auto-penned signatures are not a violation of the law???????insofar as I can tell, the violation is that an outside collection agency was mailing letters signed by an attorney--when the attorney failed to exercise his/her minimum duties as an attorney when reviewing the account. You have not proved that this is the case, and the operative word is proof (going out on a limb here, but it just might have something to do with the concept known as due process).

It is highly likely that you did indeed waste her time, and hanging up on her probably saved her valuable time. I seriously doubt that anyone on this forum is more qualified to provide elucidation than an attorney who practices law in your own state.
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Also is it just my state who has crooked a$$holes who have all the laws implemented but fail to enforce them?


At the minimum, one of three things is going on in your situation:
    You are too emotionally involved to exercise critical thinking, or,
    you are grasping at straws looking for a payout from an attorney or collector, or,
    you have not yet communicated a clear violation of the law to someone capable of rendering a valid legal opinion.

I don????????t know which one it is, and I don????????t really care. Your ability to conceptualize the law is fatally flawed. IMHO, you should file BK and let it go.


lrhall41

Submitted by Morningstar on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 23:39

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I am giving you a sample of Cease and Desist Letter which you can send to the collector: -

[quote]Date

Your Name
Address
City, State Zip


Debt Collector????????s Name
Address
City, State Zip

Re: Account Number

Dear Debt Collector:

Pursuant to my rights under federal debt collection laws, I am requesting that you cease and desist communication with me, as well as my family and friends, in relation to this and all other alleged debts you claim I owe.

You are hereby notified that if you do not comply with this request, I will immediately file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission and the [your state here] Attorney General????????s office. Civil and criminal claims will be pursued.
Sincerely,

Your Name[/quote]


You can also go through the sample letters of this community in the link: - http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/letters/ .


lrhall41

Submitted by phoenix on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 01:23

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You might have misunderstood me morningstar.
It says clearly in the laws that a debt collector cannot collect directly or in directly or receive payment without a debt collectors license. The last company who tried to sue me dropped the lawsuit because I warned them about this.

This debt collector now has no problem breaking the law and the courts are allowing them to even though I have the laws in my hand to show the judge and he wouldn't even look at them, he said he didn't believe me. I have documented everything and spent countless hours reviewing everything.

OK as far as signing an attorney letterhead, The facsimile signature is not a licensed attorney, this name is probably a fake name and threatens me with legal action and telling me I will have to pay his attorney fees and court costs if I don't call him and make a payment NOW. this was over-shadowing my 30 day right to dispute.

1692e(3) The false representation or implication that any individual is an attorney or that any communication is from an attorney.

As far as a weak claim, most people are getting off to easy in this state. people can drag race down a street while on drugs and hit a innocent bystander at 90 mph. Do you know what that person got for a sentence? about 1.5 years in prison. He should of had 20 years but got a reduced sentence.
The innocent person is dead and that is a life sentence.

There have been rapes, shootings, stabbings and all these people get off too easy or the laws are not enforced to look for them and prosecute them.

I am not looking for a payout I could care less about money as I don't have much of it and still get by. I am looking for these damn liberals to get off their a$$ and do their job. The governor buys $12,000 curtains, gives his wifes friend a $72,000 secretary. He already had a car provided but had to have a new Cadillac but what about enforcing the laws?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 05:10

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You might have misunderstood me morningstar.
It says clearly in the laws that a debt collector cannot collect directly or in directly or receive payment without a debt collectors license. The last company who tried to sue me dropped the lawsuit because I warned them about this.
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guest, please review this particular statute--part of Massachusetts state law:
MGL chapter 93, section 24:

with all due respect, I am not from MA, and so I dont know the laws there. But it took me only about a minute to find this information and it comes directly from the MA attorney general's website. In a nutshell, what you have shown does not include any violation of MA state law. This is probably why the court doesnt listen to your argument....because you arent making a legitimate point in the process.
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OK as far as signing an attorney letterhead, The facsimile signature is not a licensed attorney, this name is probably a fake name and threatens me with legal action and telling me I will have to pay his attorney fees and court costs if I don't call him and make a payment NOW. this was over-shadowing my 30 day right to dispute.
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Is it overshadowing? If so, then thats a federal law issue, and thats what you need to be stating. I dont have enough information to be able to say that it is or it isnt because you have not included any such info in your posts. If you give us some details we would be happy to help you sort it out.
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1692e(3) The false representation or implication that any individual is an attorney or that any communication is from an attorney.
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Again, who specifically represented themselves as an attorney? you have a signature on a letter--you dont even know who the person is that signed it. Is it an employee of the law firm? If so then thats perfectly legal, because the letter is coming from a law firm. Did the person write "attorney at law" after their signature? Probably not. Do you know for a fact that the name is just made up? No, you dont. There are ways to handle these things properly, so that the judge and the court would take you seriously. Unfortunately, you arent using any of those ways. In court, you will only be taken as seriously and professionally as you present yourself.
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As far as a weak claim, most people are getting off to easy in this state.
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I wont even bother quoting the rest of your post, because quite frankly it is irrelevant. This is not criminal court--this is civil court. And the things you described happen in EVERY state. That has nothing at all to do with how youre being treated by the court in this case. Even if you have a legitimate argument, if you present it like you have presented things here, no judge will give you any credibility.
My best advice to you is to stop everything and dont continue with any cases until you study up on the laws and how things are supposed to work in a courtroom. That way you can be properly prepared to handle your business there, and you will likely be more successful too.


lrhall41

Submitted by skydivr7673 on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 16:21

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OK skydiver, that is the same law that the Attorney quoted but he failed to mention this one which I did mention:
Chapter 93: Section 24A. Term of license; bond; registration; rules and regulations

Section 24A. (a) No person shall directly or indirectly engage in the commonwealth in the business of a debt collector, or engage in the commonwealth in soliciting the right to collect or receive payment for another of an account, bill or other indebtedness, or advertise for or solicit in print the right to collect or receive payment for another of an account, bill or other indebtedness, without first obtaining from the commissioner a license to carry on the business, nor unless the person or the person for whom he or it may be acting as agent has on file with the state treasurer a good and sufficient bond.

It has been said many times that Massachusetts fails to enforce the debt collection laws. They have only taken action on one company and that was The cadle company:

Cadle Co. Must Use Licensed Proxies to Collect in Massachusetts

Massachusett????????s attorney general reached a preliminary agreement with The Cadle Co., The Cadle Company II Inc. and Daniel C. Cadle, all of Ohio, prohibiting them from engaging in unfair and unlawful debt collection as outlined in a complaint filed in Suffolk Superior Court last Friday.

The defendants do not have the necessary licenses to collect debt in the Commonwealth, the prosecutor said. collection agencies working accounts in Massachusetts must obtain licensure through the Commissioner of Banks.

In December 2003, the Division of Banks denied The Cadle Co. and its affiliates a request for a license to operate in Massachusetts. In June 2007, the division also denied The Cadle Co. II????????s August 2005 application for a license to operate as a debt collector in Massachusetts, citing the companies???????? continued collection activity between the December 2003 and August 2005 in spite of not having a license.

The companies and the attorney general????????s office last week agreed to the terms of a stipulated order, which means the three entities will refrain from operating a debt collection business without a license from the Division of Banks; and should Cadle operate as a passive debt buyer, all collection activity is to be performed by a properly licensed debt collector or an attorney licensed to practice in the state. Lastly, Cadle must give advanced notice to the attorney general of the licensed collection agent that will perform such services on behalf of the company.

LVNV Funding doesn't even file an annual report let alone notify the AG who they have collecting for them. They are running illegally. I reported them and they won't do anything about it. The AG office said only if a lot of people complain, then they will do something.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 18:24

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And your right morningstar, at this point instead of trying to fight the debt collectors from suing me I should declare bankruptcy. I hate to ramble on but I am just at a bad point in life where nothing is going right.

I lost everything I own due to cancer. I have to wait at least 5 months before I hear anything from disability but right now, I get welfare, $300 a month. I have to live with my parents because of all of this. I only have a roof over my head, clothes and food.

I think I am focusing too much on the debt collectors violating the laws and trying to stop them when what I should be doing is filing for bankruptcy and getting protection from lawsuits and start with a clean slate just in case I end up living past the next 5 years, which is about a 35% chance.

Thanks for making me realize what I really need to do.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 18:37

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I know your just trying to help. I should take your advice before I get myself in more trouble than I am already in.

Also, Seeing as I already have 1 judgment against me from a debt collector, would that be discharged threw bankruptcy?

also I have about 11 items in good standing that are closed,never late, 1 item I recently paid in a settlement, 3 items that are in the bad column that are paid in full and closed and 9 items that will be under bankruptcy.

Does everything get erased, including the good items, or just what I declare? Also do all of the debt collectors and the 2 car lots who pulled my credit report get erased also?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 06/22/2008 - 05:27

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