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First time at a Collection Agency

Date: Sun, 04/11/2010 - 06:41

Submitted by Tarheel
on Sun, 04/11/2010 - 06:41

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Okay, so back in October of 2008 I had a medical test done without insurance that cost me something in the area of $2400 (not including random other smaller bills associated with it, but I paid all of those). When I got the bill I called the hospital and told them that I was a poor college student that only worked part time and paid for my car/rent/other bills and could not afford that. They sent me some application for financial aid, I filled it out and forgot about it. A month later I got another bill, so I called and explained, they said they never got the mail, got another application, filled it out, got another bill after a month.

I did this every month, and I even paid to PROVE that they got the mail once and delivered the application twice in person. Sometime around October I had to go to the ER and received another bill for $1200, putting the total now up to $3600. I fought more with the hospital up until December of 2009 when the hospital sent my bill to a collection agency because of the amount of time that had passed (I assume).

The CA is Accounts Recovery Bureau. When the collection agency called me in January I told them the story and they said they'd send me the hospital's financial aid application and get it settled. I never got it, but in February I got a bill from them, so I called. Same thing happened but they had me answer a bunch of questions about how much money I make. In hindsight I probably shouldn't have answered these questions, but I honestly thought they were part of the hospital at the time and that they were trying to help me.

I didn't hear from them in March, but last Friday I got a phone call from them. The guy that talked to me told me the following:

-The guy claimed that my "financial profile" states that I can afford $300 a month. In reality, after all bills/food I can afford like $25-50.

-I can only get a discounted price If I pay it in full ($2900).

-He told me that the $2900 discounted price is the lowest they could go and that he had never seen the hospital go lower and that is all his supervisor would approve. (Which all sounded like B.S.)

-If I setup a payment arrangement I have to pay the entire balance, no discounts. I have to come up with $500 in the next month (but he'd be willing to accept $250 this month, $250 next) before I can setup a payment arrangement.

-If I don't pay the first $250 he'll send the bill to my credit report and prevent me from getting a house or a car for a while because of the negative mark.

-AND! I have until Monday to call him to setup the date of my first payment before he sends it to my credit report.

So, how much of that is a lie (I've been told parts of that are illegal by a coworker?), and what can I do about this bill? When I call on Monday what do I tell these guys? Honestly there is NO way I can pay all of this bill. I've been told to ask about a Debt Validation, but hasn't it been too long for that? Has anyone else had to deal with Accounts Recovery Bureau? I've read some stuff online that really scares me about this group!

Also, I am in the process of getting a house with my girlfriend and want to keep this off of my credit until at least July (as far as I know, it is NOT on my credit report as of now - at least the mortgage people haven't mentioned it).

HELP!!!

Edit: Not sure if it matters, but I live in Indiana


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarheel
Okay, so back in October of 2008 I had a medical test done without insurance that cost me something in the area of $2400 (not including random other smaller bills associated with it, but I paid all of those). When I got the bill I called the hospital and told them that I was a poor college student that only worked part time and paid for my car/rent/other bills and could not afford that. They sent me some application for financial aid, I filled it out and forgot about it.
The guy that talked to me told me the following:
-The guy claimed that my "financial profile" states that I can afford $300 a month. In reality, after all bills/food I can afford like $25-50.
-I can only get a discounted price If I pay it in full ($2900).
-He told me that the $2900 discounted price is the lowest they could go and that he had never seen the hospital go lower and that is all his supervisor would approve. (Which all sounded like B.S.)
-If I setup a payment arrangement I have to pay the entire balance, no discounts. I have to come up with $500 in the next month (but he'd be willing to accept $250 this month, $250 next) before I can setup a payment arrangement.
-If I don't pay the first $250 he'll send the bill to my credit report and prevent me from getting a house or a car for a while because of the negative mark.
-AND! I have until Monday to call him to setup the date of my first payment before he sends it to my credit report.
So, how much of that is a lie (I've been told parts of that are illegal by a coworker?), and what can I do about this bill? When I call on Monday what do I tell these guys? Honestly there is NO way I can pay all of this bill. I've been told to ask about a Debt Validation, but hasn't it been too long for that? Has anyone else had to deal with Accounts Recovery Bureau? I've read some stuff online that really scares me about this group!
Also, I am in the process of getting a house with my girlfriend and want to keep this off of my credit until at least July (as far as I know, it is NOT on my credit report as of now - at least the mortgage people haven't mentioned it).
HELP!!!
Edit: Not sure if it matters, but I live in Indiana

The first thing that you can do is get a copy of your credit report. Not the one that the Mortgage Company uses.
Second, try NOT to talk to these guys. They'll always try to talk you into making arrangements to make payments. You should send them a Validation Letter and include that you will only respond in writing and don't call me at my work or home because it is inconvenient . Once you do this they can't call you for 30 days, they must send you a letter of validation of debt or they'll be in 1.
1. Call at times the collector knew or should know are inconvenient
[15 USC 1692c] ?? 805(a)(1)
2. Contact you at work knowing your employer doesn't approve
[15 USC 1692c] ?? 805(a)(3)
3. Within five days of the collector's initial communication, it must send you a notice include the amount of the debt, name of the creditor, and notice of your right to dispute the debt within 30 days. [15 USC 1692g] ?? 809(a)
Now with Medical collection I think it gets a little more stickier. I'm not really sure about HIPPA but if you did a search on here or Google I'm sure you'll find plenty of useful information.
So start there and keep all your information and documentation together and organized.


lrhall41

Submitted by Crisco Kidd on Sun, 04/11/2010 - 08:02

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Originally Posted by Crisco Kidd
. Once you do this they can't call you for 30 days, they must send you a letter of validation of debt or they'll be in violation of FDCPA.
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WRONG....the FDCPA does not say this. They may not contact you UNTIL they validate it....if they can validate the account in 3 days, they may call you as soon as they send you the information. If it takes 60 days for them to validate the debt, they may not contact you until after they send you the information. Read the act.

Mortgage reports tend to be a merged report from all three bureaus, so the OP is not going to have an option of pulling one the mortgage company does not use.

I dont see anything illegal with what the collector has said as long as he or his agency follows thru with it. If you dont pay, they have every right to report it to your bureau...even if you dispute it, it will still appear but marked disputed...your mortgage company may ask what the dispute is....if you dont have a valid reason for dispute, you may have a problem.


lrhall41

Submitted by SOAPLADY on Sun, 04/11/2010 - 10:34

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Originally Posted by SOAPLADY
WRONG....the FDCPA does not say this. They may not contact you UNTIL they validate it....if they can validate the account in 3 days, they may call you as soon as they send you the information. If it takes 60 days for them to validate the debt, they may not contact you until after they send you the information. Read the act.
Mortgage reports tend to be a merged report from all three bureaus, so the OP is not going to have an option of pulling one the mortgage company does not use.
I dont see anything illegal with what the collector has said as long as he or his agency follows thru with it. If you dont pay, they have every right to report it to your bureau...even if you dispute it, it will still appear but marked disputed...your mortgage company may ask what the dispute is....if you dont have a valid reason for dispute, you may have a problem.


Im sorry Ill reread through it again. :oops:


lrhall41

Submitted by Crisco Kidd on Sun, 04/11/2010 - 12:55

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