Not quite sure about this one

WHAT??? Whoever this Mod is needs to get their head on straight. Mike would never, ever say anything like that. He was extremely supportive of me in my first months here, encouraged me to post more often, gently advised when my posts were redundant and never, I repeat, never criticized my "posting style" or told me I'd never be a Mod.

And Mike has been gone from the site for quite some time now - so when was this allegedly said by him? It would have had to have been a long time ago - and even in his later state of mind while he was still here(which was not his normal self, due to his dad's illness and all he had to deal with there), he wouldn't have said something like that. I don't need Mike, or any other Admin to tell me that - I know it for fact.

If this is true, the Mod that did it needs to grow up (you hit the nail on the head, Fins). I'm not saying it's not true, but I guess I'm having a hard time fathoming why anyone would do something so low.

I am so surprised at how much drama goes on here. :shock:

it goes through phases like this, Shazzers - we have some quiet time, things go along smoothly, then someone stirs it up - like someone appears to be trying to do with Volley and Kash. It's totally wrong to do this to someone.

Thank you Sue!! I am really glad that someone else can see that it is a lie, that Mike would never say that.

I just want to know why..Even if it WERE true, and Mike did say that, why would you tell them? Why? You know this board, you know how things work, WHY DID YOU DO IT??

Sue, thanks for your support honey!

If members won't report the source when things like this happen, it's impossible to deal with it directly. Then it causes mistrust and suspicions among staff members. I think members need to be told unless they are willing to identify the accused, there is no possible fair way to deal with it, at the same time assure them any information they give will be kept confidential. I guess that's the way I would handle it, I'm just the type of person that tries to remain impartial until the facts are presented. :D Drama makes me nuts! :lol:

I agree with you completely Shazzers.

I think what happened in this case is that they completely believed the person who told them. I know that there was already some drama about the mod situation, and that is inexcusable, but what upsets me is that someone deliberately made the situation worse. As mods we should do our best to diffuse a dramatic situation, not inflame it. That's what really gets to me..Is that someone jumped right into the turmoil and added to it. And lied. It's just not ok. Like I said, I don't want to know who did it. I don't care. I just want whoever it was to feel ashamed of themselves for stirring the pot in such an ugly way. This shouldn't be going on, it needs to stop. I know drama can be exciting, and some people think it's fun, but put yourself in the situation of Kash and Volley. Yes, I KNOW they didn't handle the situation of not getting mod very well, and I didn't like that, but they did not deserve to be lied to or riled up. They should have had the opportunity to continue to help people and prove that they would make good mods. Someone took that away from them, by making them feel like Mike doesn't like them..And I know that simply is not true. It's all about respect, and I'm seeing very little of that.

For Petes sake :shock: I amcontinually in awe of the childish,immature, backstabbing that has been going on here!!

Whoever said that to them, probably shouldn't be a mod themselves if they are that vindictive, not helpful, etc. It should be questioned of them, why they are trying to destroy the site and the people by being a participant in the madness, instead of trying to become unified and help others.

Mike and I talked almost daily, he is not like that and would never say something mean like that to anyone.

If anyone else gets these type of messages, report them to all of the admin team, they need to be aware of what is going on behind the scenes..karen

Seriously?! I mean seriously. This is making my head hurt.

It was not this bad when I was in highschool.

O.K. If the people who said a mod told them then and they aren't going to back it up with a name then I'm going to disregard it. I'm not about to participate in a witch hunt thats could to stir up more drama than we need. It's not worth it.

They would have backed it up with a name. I told them not to. I told them to pm Vikas. Plain and simple, I don't want to know why the hell someone would be so mean, and who. Enough is enough.

I really hope there isn't a witch hunt. The only thing I hope happens out of this is the person who did it realizes what kind of crap stuff like that stirs up.

And once again..I don't ever want to know who it is. So please, if anyone finds out, don't tell me.

I've PMed volley and I'm going to PM Kash too regarding this matter. We need to straighten it out as soon as we can.

And thanks to you all for showing this faith on Mike. He would be the last person on earth to say something like that against any community member. Its completely a ridiculous allegation against him. He needs our support and prayer at this time and not all this back stabbing.

Regards,
Jason

Okay, I think this is about me.

Mike did do this. Kash and Volley were making a lot of people mad, and were intentionally starting a lot of drama on the boards because they didn't like a lot of people. This was months and months ago. Mike had asked them both to be mods, but then changed his mind when he started watching how they were acting on the boards.

You all know Mike. For him to change his mind after already inviting someone, there was good reason.

I'm friends with Kash, so I told her that was the reason she wasn't made a MOD. I told her this so she would change what she was doing, so she would get named a MOD. I didn't do it to cause trouble. I didn't do it to make her upset. I did it because there was a problem, it was real, and it needed to change.

I think a huge part of the problem with drama here is people are jumping to conclusions without knowing all the facts. This situation did happen, it wasn't to create drama, it was to fix a problem. I didn't lie, and I didn't add to the problem. I helped fix the problem.

I also want to point out that this happened months ago. It didn't start any drama when it happened. The only drama going on is now . . . .

And for anyone that doesn't beleive me - The proof is that both Kash and Volley will tell you that Mike asked them to be MODS. And then never named then MODS. He obviously changed his mind for some very good reason.

I also want to say, again, that this did not cause any drama when it happened, months and months ago.

In fact, they stopped trying to start wars with everyone, and stopped all the nastiness they were doing.

I stand behind what I did. You all can crucify me if you want, I really don't care. I know why I did it. To stop drama from happening. You guys have everything all wrong.

I bet that 99.9999999% of the drama on this board would never happen if people would just check things out before they freak out.

Ask Mike. He will tell you that he was going to name them MODS, but then saw some stuff they were doing that was very unmod like, and changed his mind at that time, deciding not to name them and wait it out to see if the behavior got better.

I also want to add that Mike knew I was going to talk to Kash about this too.

And if anyone had taken the time to think about things before they jumped off and started insulting me and calling me names, they would have realized that neither Kash or Volley has been named a MOD, and both have been here a long time. Obviously, there is a reason for that. So why jump to the conclusion I'm lying? Logic supports my side, not yours.

It's just really upsetting to come on here and see all these people insulting me, calling me names, and such, when they don't even know what happened. No one bothered to even confirm with Mike if this was true or not, just assumed they knew better or more then the people actually involved in the situation.

What Mike said wasn't even bad! That their posting style was not up to MOD standards. How is that not something Mike would say? It isn't rude, isn't mean, isn't insulting. It was the truth at that time. The way they were posting was not up to MOD standards. Period.

Goudah, as I said before, I'm just the type of person that tries to remain impartial until the facts are presented. I don't think I'll ever change in that respect.

If this was months ago why are Kash and Volly bringing it up now? Why not just talk to Goudah about it instead?

Personally I feel that what is said between mods and admins should be kept strictly in between them unless it pertains to disciplinary actions. It causes too much stress and drama. And with Kash and Volly straying away from the horses mouth on this I can only assume they are starting up some drama by trying to drag in parties who don't know what the heck is going on.

What Mike said isn't bad, it's just out of character so there was some obvious confusion and frustration going on.

Which I understand, but from what I've been told Kash was asked why she hasn't been named a MOD, and responded with the reason. She wasn't trying to start any drama at all, just answered a question.

As I stated, at the time I was very close friends with Kash, and since i was so close with her, Mike wanted me to try and talk to her and get her to act better so that she could be named a MOD.

I hear you Goudah, but I still think it was mean. It hurt Kash.

I know you, and I know that you are NOT childish, petty, and insecure. So I apologize about that.

I will not apologize about my anger. I will also not apologize about saying it stirred the pot, because it did, very much. If that was what Mike said, then he should have told them that, not you. He should have told them ways that they could improve and become mods, instead of them thinking that they are crap and won't be mods.

What other conclusion could I jump to? I had a conversation with Kash..It's obvious that it bothered her enough to come to me with it. I told her I would address it, and I did. I think the entire thing was handled wrong..I also think that I did the wrong thing by making this post, I wish I had simply pmd admin. However, this forum is a place where we can air things out, and that's exactly what I did.

I love you Goudah, we have a lot of history, and that's not going to change. I will never think that you should have told them what Mike said, I think it was an ugly situation. I think it was not in the best interest of the board, and it did create more drama. But..I know that you did not act maliciously, and my feelings for you won't change..I just wish Mike had talked to them.

BTW..This entire situation has already leaked out..I know I asked Kash, who was the only one I talked to, to keep it quiet. I hope everyone else does as well.

Like you, Goudah, I will stand behind what I believe in. Once again, I will apologize for saying the person involved was childish, insecure, and petty. Since it is you, I know that's not true. I will NOT apologize one bit for how I feel about this..I think it was wrong. I really think it killed some morale. How many other people did Kash tell? I won't say anymore about this unless it's in a pm

Mike wanted me to talk to Kash about it because we were friends and he thought that if it came from Admin they would just leave the site.

I think it would've created much more drama if they were not told why they weren't named as MODS, because at that time they had already been asked. If they were not named, and not given a reason, they would've been very upset and it would've been worse. At least they knew why and had the chance to work on things.

You know what? They didn't talk to me for awhile because they though I was lying to them.

I told them not to stress about the mod thing. I knew Mike told them they'd be mods. Then Mike posted that there would be a wait until more mods were named due to the drama over Unemployed Ron. Remember that one? So I repeatedly told them just to hang tight...That mods would be named. Then when Roxy and Shazzers were named mods I told them it was because they volunteered, that it would be coming..What a fool I must be!

It should've come from Mike, because they had one mod telling them one thing and another telling them something completely different. WTH? What are they supposed to think? Who do they believe? You're telling them "Mike said" and I'm telling them "Mike said". What do they do?

I see where you are coming from on this, but you also have to understand that Mike thought it was taken care of. Mike really struggled with this decision, as he did not want to hurt their feelings. But their actions spoke louder and he had to make a hard decision. He asked me to talk to Kash and explain things, and that once things changed and all the drama calmed down, the decision would be reconsidered.

How would he know that other mods were telling them things? He couldn't know that . . . . That is not my fault nor Mike's.

I think Admin handled it well. There was no drama over it on the boards. It was all done quietly. While yes, their feelings were hurt, there were solid reasons behind the decision. Being a MOD isn't a given, you have to behave and follow the rules. At that time they weren't.

I agree with you 100% that they were not acting as mods should.

I guess if we had this mod forum then this entire thing would not have happened.

Once again I will apologize for calling you childish, petty, and insecure..That was hot-headed of me, you are not those things. I will always feel bad about that.

However..We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Obviously it did more harm then anyone knows..Why else would Kash come to me now? I know you were doing what you thought was right, and I can't blame you for that..What you see as blue I might see as purple. I will always hold onto my own opinions on this, just like you will. I'm not sorry I made this thread, it explains a hell of a lot. It's done now, and I'm glad.

I don't disagree that it upset Kash - But I beleive there was no way around it. Either she hated Admin for telling her, or she heard it from a friend. There was no way this would have gone over without any hurt feelings . . . . .

I know. There was no way to avoid that, and she is extremely sensitive.

There is no excusing their behavior at the time. It was awful. But..I wonder if a simple "you need to cool it" may've been better.

I don't know what you told her. What was explained to me sounded very very absolute, which I didn't like at all. I thought it was incredibly disrespectful. However, I do have to rethink that, because I know you and can't see you saying it like that.

Wow, they really can't be mods for awhile now, they sure can't read this!

Crap - Yeah you are right!

LOL!!!!!

It is nice to see people talk things out in an adult manner, isn't it? We don't get to see much of that in the other forums.

Very true! I'm just glad you don't really think I'm petty and childish and mean! :D

Don't forget insecure.. :lol:

Oh yeah - Insecure too! And to grow the hell up! :D

...Who do you think you are? :D :D

(**bow, scrape, how about a dish of CROW, Sue?**)

I apologize for jumping to conclusions. But I was rightfully upset that someone would intentionally hurt a fellow Mod - at least that's how it looked at the outset. I take my Mod role very seriously, and I was very upset that this had happened.

My apologies if I offended you, Goudah - this will teach me to just stay out of these dramas in the future. I'm not upset at Fins or anything, but more upset at myself for getting carried away with the drama.

I was not creating drama. No reason to be upset with me, I was standing up for something I believed in, standing up for someone who was hurt. Hopefully the other mods would have done exactly what I did..I know Goudah would have.


I have talked with Goudah a lot about this. She knows where I stand and I know where she stands. I was PISSED, and she knows why. There was more to the story than I was originally told, and while feelings were definitely hurt, it would've happened anyway. Goudah just happened to be the one who ended up doing it.

I'm going to leave this thread up for 2 days. I think all the mods need to read it, so I'm going to leave it for that long to make sure. Everyone feel free to add to it if you want.

After 2 days I'm going to delete it. I'm not going to delete it because I'm sorry I made it...I'm not sorry at all. A lot of good ended up coming out of it, and I still stand by what I believe. I'm going to delete it because in the event that the people in question do become mods, they don't need to see it.

In all honesty I don't think this thread should be deleted. If those in question do become mods maybe they will learn from how it was handled in the end and practice it for when they may come across something similar in the future.

You think? It wouldn't cause trouble?

If it causes trouble then they shouldn't be mods. The point of being a mod is doing what is best for the forum as a whole, that includes things like this.

Anyone who attempts to be a mod or admin should not be stressed out over garbage!Just my proverbial two cents though. :D

I have to agree with you... :D

Wow! You guys are GREAT! :D

hey Fins...please don't think I was trying to insinuate that you were causing drama - that wasn't what I was doing - I was just upset with myself, because I let it kind of carry me away and got too involved with it.

I didn't mean to offend or hurt anyone with my words, is all I was trying to say. :oops:

No offense taken! It's all good :D

And Shazzers..You're great too!

Well, that explains everything. There was a great miscommunication. So we can stop brooding over it and move-on.

Goudah, I appreciate the courage you have shown. It really needs a character to come forward and take the responsibilities. I know that you hadn????????t had any wrong intention. It has just happened.

I think for the time, the board has enough of sensations. Now we should work towards something more constructive.

Regards,
Jason