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Date: Mon, 12/07/2009 - 06:56

Submitted by anonymous
on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 06:56

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I sent a letter to Mypaydayloan.com saying they are illegal in Indiana and I only owe them the principal balance of $400. I have already paid $250 and have a payment of $162.50 scheduled for next week. That would bring the total payments to $412.50.

They sent me this email in response to my letter. Should I just tell them I will pay the $162.50 next week but that is all since they are ILLEGAL?



In regards to contract venue, you were required to consent to ???avail yourself to Costa Rican law??? which you did willingly and unsolicited. Had you not agreed to that you would not have received the advance.

Specifically, the contract states:

"GOVERNING LAW: Both this agreement and the application is considered to be executed at our offices in San Jose, Costa Rica, and this transaction and agreement with us shall be governed by, construed, and enforced solely in accordance with the internal laws of Costa Rica."

In addition, not only did you avail yourself to Costa Rican law and agreed to be governed by it, independent US case law also supports contract venue, even had you not agreed in advance to such venue, which you did. Jurisdiction over commercial activities had been proven to be based on a "sliding scale" determined by where the preponderance of activity has occurred. You are dealing with an unsolicited transaction to a Costa Rican company with servers, offices, employees, and all other important elements of the transaction taking place there, including contract venue rather than your state of Indiana, where nothing has taken place. Please refer to the case of Zippo Manufacturing Company vs. Zippo dot com, Inc. 952F Supp 1119,1124 (W.D. Pa. 1997).

Furthermore, specific contract venue law even provides more clear-cut evidence pertaining to the controlling venue for a contract. The formal validity of a contract is to be determined by the "lex loci celebrationis" which is the law of the place where a contract is made. The Hogue-Kellog principle applies that a contract is deemed to be executed where the final act is done
which is necessary to make it binding. See Hogue-Kellog Co. Inc., v G.L. Webster Canning Co., Inc. 22 F3rd 384, 385 (4th Cir.1927). This transaction was not binding until reviewed and approved by MyPaydayLoan.com, once we received all information from you to make a decision to enter into the agreement. Hence, the final act to make the transaction binding was in our
jurisdiction, Costa Rica, not yours.

Lastly, any comment about specific interest rate caps based on your state would not apply anyway since this was not a loan in the first place. You engaged in a check advance agreement with us, not a loan. There are important differences which are a benefit to you and should be clarified. You were charged a fee per $100 dollars advanced. Based on the fact that it is a fee and not interest there is no "accrue" element to this transaction. When you defaulted you were not charged more money based on the time the advance is still outstanding (beyond your initial late fee and NSF fee, if applicable). In addition, the second important function differentiating this transaction as a fee instead of interest is there is no compounding. Any unpaid fees under an interest scenario would have a compounding component where any unpaid charges would be included in the "interest" calculation and added to the unpaid balance for purposes of determining the total amount owed. This is an important difference since there is no compounding of "interest" on any unpaid balances with our transaction. As such, usury would not govern
this transaction since it is a fee. This principle is no different than when your bank charges
you an overdraft fee to cover a check where there are not enough funds in the account to cover the check. You were advanced funds based on your next check from your employer, so whether that was 5 days away or 20, the fee is the same. There was no interest charged and laws governing interest are not applicable.

Hopefully, instead of trying to change the rules that governed the transaction after you received your advance from us because it suits you, you will honor what you already agreed to pay whether you paid attention or not. You need to satisfy your obligation in full, in order to avoid further collection activities and penalties. Your balance is $512.50, you currently have a $162.50 payment scheduled to be debited on 12/15/09. If that payment is received you will need to provide two payments of $150 on 12/29/09, and 1/15/10. This satisfy the debt in full and close the account.


what jerks, i hate when they play that game where their make believe laws can go over your legit, state laws :(
do not send them a dime until you have in writing that they will accept that payment as paid in full. i personally would only send a money order to a physical address.


lrhall41

Submitted by bea2ls on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 06:58

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If you want to have a little fun with them you could also reply like this:
GOVERNING LAW;
Please note I am not a resident of Costa Rica, have never prescribed to be a resident Costa Rica and have no Costa Rica presence, as such am not subject to the Costa Rica laws you detail. My state law prevails! THE END!


lrhall41

Submitted by Shazzers on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 08:34

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i'm sure your tired of posting the same thing over and over but i'm still a little confused on the payday loan legal/illegal issue...

i live in ny and have 9 pdl open right now. i called the nys ag and they told me that they really didn't have any information on paydayloans- only that they can charge whatever interest their home state allows - and i should call the nys banking department, who then told me they couldn't help me and to contact the nys lawyer referral service.

the loans i have are:
GECC(cashdirect) $250
Cashjar $350
Arrowhead Investments $400
NLS Cashadv(signmyloan.net) $250
Unitedcash $400
paychecktoday $300
summit group $300
usfast cash $350
clearwater(sandpoint capitol) $200

i have paid the interest only on most of these loans but its to the point that i can't even afford that.

what would my best course of action be??


lrhall41

Submitted by on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 11:22

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I'm still fighting with them. They keep sending the same letter and I just keep sending them the same thing back that they are illegal and I won't pay anything until I get a physical address to send the money order. They keep refusing of course. They just sent me another letter today saying basically I'm stupid and that they are turning it over to their legal counsel.

Hopefully they'll realize they're not getting any money out of me except for the remaining $150 I owe on the principal amount.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Wed, 12/30/2009 - 16:46

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Well, if they are illegal then there so called legal ccounsel can not touch you... So just send them your letter and let them be the stupid ones when their legal counsel calls and you laugh at them. I have already practiced what I am going to say when they tell me I am going to jail, "please let me know when so my co-workers or family can record it so we can have a big laugh"


lrhall41

Submitted by Jasgal on Wed, 12/30/2009 - 16:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymous
i'm sure your tired of posting the same thing over and over but i'm still a little confused on the payday loan legal/illegal issue...
i live in ny and have 9 pdl open right now. i called the nys ag and they told me that they really didn't have any information on paydayloans- only that they can charge whatever interest their home state allows - and i should call the nys banking department, who then told me they couldn't help me and to contact the nys lawyer referral service.
the loans i have are:
GECC(cashdirect) $250
Cashjar $350
Arrowhead Investments $400
NLS Cashadv(signmyloan.net) $250
Unitedcash $400
paychecktoday $300
summit group $300
usfast cash $350
clearwater(sandpoint capitol) $200
i have paid the interest only on most of these loans but its to the point that i can't even afford that.
what would my best course of action be??


Sometimes it depends on who you talk to at the AG's office, they aren't very well versed in the payday loan laws because they are prohibited in your state. Your state law prevails, and ONLY your state law pertains to YOU.


lrhall41

Submitted by Shazzers on Wed, 12/30/2009 - 17:35

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