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Court Summons Questions

Date: Mon, 03/25/2013 - 18:33

Submitted by anjackson20
on Mon, 03/25/2013 - 18:33

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So, tell me: Is this indeed a scam, or am I actually being served papers?

I received a phone call and voicemail from a “Rose Miller” on March 22 stating that it was a courtesy call for documents of a certified notice of intent to appear in court. She stated that she would be stopping by my place of residence to get a signature for these documents, as it is required to do so before she can give them to me. She stated that she would be arriving on Tuesday, March 25 no later than 5pm. If there was a scheduling conflict, I needed to contact the filing party at 888-837-4565. There is also a claim number that was listed on the outside of the envelope and she gave it to me. She then stated at the end of the voicemail: “You have been notified.”

I decided to go ahead and call the number she gave me. I was connected to a “Mr. John Abbott” at a company called “Sterling Account Solutions. He stated that they were based of out New York. He did not give me a city, nor did he give me an address during the phone call. He asked me to verify the last 4 digits of my SS# before he continued. Afterwards, he then went on to state that through the county I live in (Ohio, Franklin County), a court summons had been issued to be through a company called RCL Finance. Supposedly there were two accounts against me (attempt to defraud the company and attempt to not pay the loan) and that this dates back to September of 2011. He also stated that he tried to contact me through email (he had my email address, and I have never received anything from them via email) and that this company is deciding to go ahead and pursue court measures.

Now, I recognize the name, as Pay Day 1 is a company that is tied to them. As far as I know, I thought the balance was paid.


Thanks a lot to you both! I had a feeling that it was a scam, but I just wanted to make sure it was. There is a little more to this story, just so that I can get all the details out for anyone else who may come across this problem. I'll paste it below. For some reason, the forums here wouldn't allow me to post the whole story, so I apologize for that. I plan to file a complaint online with my AG and if that "Rose Miller" does show up at my home or contact me again, I will have to call a police officer to meet her here. I would hope that they really aren't bold enough to step foot anywhere near my apartment building. But, you never know with these idiots:


I contacted PD1 for a similar situation months ago and they told me that there was no record and that it had been moved on to some other company. This gave me the impression that it wasn’t paid like I thought it was and I asked if it had been. The rep at PD1 stated that she couldn’t give me that information and then gave me another number to some company. It’s a long story, but I never reached anyone to validate this. So, after not hearing from either PD1 or any of the other companies I contacted that time, I assumed I paid it.


Here I am again, months later, getting another threating phone call for the same issue from a different company. I tried to get out as much information as I could, but eventually "Mr. Abbott" rushed me off the phone because "the office is getting ready to close." He stated that if I didn’t pay the prearranged amount of the remaining balance from RCL Finance ($464.20), then the paperwork would be sent. Of course, this was after he stated that the total balance with court fees and everything else included was $1936.14. I told him that I did not have those funds and that I have no recollection of receiving any notification of this balance. He said that was fine and that if I wanted to sort this out, to call him back on Monday.


It slipped my mind and I didn’t even bother to press the issue further. I figured it was a scam and let it go. BUT, I received another phone call from “Rose Miller” again today, verifying that I got her message and stating that she will be out tomorrow between 3-5pm. She had my full address and name. I asked her whom these documents would be coming through, and she said that she was with an “independent carrier.” I found that odd, as normally court summons are issued through USPS or Sheriff, at least that’s what I’ve been told for the state of Ohio. She refused to give me her company name, telephone number (as it was blocked each time she called) or any other information. She just stated that she was hired to deliver documents and it’s my decision to sign or not.


After that phone call, I contacted a lawyer. He stated that those documents were invalid and that it was probably a scam attempt. I quote: “No legal company would be sending you documentation through an independent mail carrier. You would’ve gotten them through USPS or a Sheriff. Also, if there is no case on file with the Clerk of Courts for Franklin County, then whatever they are sending you is invalid. They are probably processing forms. Do not take anything or sign anything from them. Tell them to leave the premises and to not return. If they do, then contact a police officer.”


So, I took the time to call “Sterling Account Solutions” again. I got a different male, by the name of “Davis Castill.” He was very pushy and rude after a while, since I started asking him for information. He gave me the same information that “John Abbott” did, but he gave me a different total balance ($2127.86). I caught him on that and asked him why they would be telling me a different balance from last time. He hesitated, stated that it wasn’t notated on my account and that he would go and speak with Mr. Abbott. But, before he went, he stated that it was probably a waiving of court costs, since they do that sometimes. It can range from $300-$500. The difference was nowhere near those amounts. The difference was only $191.72. He put me on hold to speak with this person, came back and stated that was indeed the case. I told him that Mr. Abbott did not mention waiving any court fees and that the balance he gave me on Friday was what the total was. By this point, he was getting very irritated and kept asking me if I wanted to take care of the balance or not. I finally told him that unless I receive proper documentation that I do indeed have a balance with this company, I’m not paying anything. He then huffed and stated rudely, “Then, wait for the documents,” and hung up the phone.


Just to make sure that I’m not digging myself into a hole, I contacted the same lawyer again and he reassured me that they had no case. I even called the County Courts to make sure I had no case on file, as well as looked it up online. Nothing was there. I then called “Sterling” one more time, to tell “Davis Castill” that I spoke with a lawyer and that whatever they are sending me isn’t valid and I then asked if it was processing forms. He stated he wasn’t sure and that it wasn’t his department and it was the “carrier department.” I asked him if he had a number to that department, and he said no. I then asked him that if I refused to sign for the documents, would anything get processed? He stated most likely not. He said the only way to get those papers was through signature. I told him what would happen if I didn’t sign, he stated that he didn’t know, since “no one had ever asked him this many questions before. No one has ever refused to sign the documents.” I told him that was odd and thanked him for his time.


I also recorded both conversations with Mr. Castill with a recorder, just for my own records. I've written everything down as well. Now, if this "Rose Miller" shows up at my apartment, I will be video taping it with my phone as well, just so I can have more proof incase these morons do indeed push a court summons through. I've read stories here about some of these stupid companies actually process this stuff without warning and people actually having to go to court.


lrhall41

Submitted by anjackson20 on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 05:56

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I actually sent the C&D not too long after the DV. In the C&D (as I saved a copy on my harddrive with date), I asked them to not contact me, or my friends and family, through telephone or email since they had both contacts on file. So, their only option is to send me something in the mail. In the DV, I asked them to send me validation in the mail of the debt from the orignal creditor with company letterhead on it. So, if they don't respond, then I think I have a case. I also put CMRRR for each item as well.

I also got an email back from the Ohio AG. It could take about 90 days to get a response, etc.

I'm curious to see what they do. Just in case they get an idea to go ahead and file anything with the courts of my county, I want to make sure I have everything I need in court. I also have detailed notes of each phone call, and I actually recorded some of them as well.


lrhall41

Submitted by anjackson20 on Thu, 03/28/2013 - 05:58

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a total scam.as steve mentioned fraud is a crime,and debts are civil matters at best.i would ignore further calls as they most likely won't provide any info,and want to harass and argue.i would just ignore and not worry about a bottomfeeding bunch like this.btw a google serach of the number only showed your post here and just number finder links so it is a scam,and a new one.see if your AG lets you file complaints online.if so do so using the name and number.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 05:37

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dear bottomfeeder

i hereby demand that you cease all communications with me,or anyone else regarding this debt since you wish to threaten things you can't do,and are not located in ohio.further calls will result in me looking into my legal remedies.this is my last communication regarding this matter.

something like that,or in your own words.there is no real set way to send a c&d.

respond like that.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 08:37

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she won't she is the one lying.stop talking to this pile of crap bottomfeeding scam.a google search brings up nothing at all except your thread here.that says it all.since they won't provide an address stop talking to them.they are trained to lie and be evil,so again ignore them completely.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:30

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I actually did get some information from "Crazy Casey" about their company:

Sterling Account Solutions
2316 Delaware Ave. Suite #104
Buffalo, NY. 14216
Website: www.paysas.net

I looked it up and it appears to exist.


lrhall41

Submitted by anjackson20 on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:40

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Also, should I send a VD (validation of debt letter) to them as well? Like I stated, I wouldn't mind paying the debt to the original creditor if it does indeed exist.


lrhall41

Submitted by anjackson20 on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 08:15

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Thanks for the info. I'll have to try and find a sample letter of a C&D. If you happen to have one, please send me a link. I'll put it in the mail today.


lrhall41

Submitted by anjackson20 on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 08:04

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maybe the OP sent the DV before the c&d as bottomfeeding slime ignore such things thinking the person won't have the nuts to sue.more people should sue.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Thu, 03/28/2013 - 05:27

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I've sent them a V of D Letter, a C&D letter, I've filed with the FTC and the Ohio AG. Believe me, the first thing I did was go to the county clerks website. I even gave them a phone call to make sure. I saw nothing.

This is indeed a scam.


lrhall41

Submitted by anjackson20 on Wed, 03/27/2013 - 08:07

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Just to give an update for the future: It's 5:05pm EST on Tuesday, March 26th and "Rose Miller" never showed up. So, no court papers for me have been given. This was indeed a fraud.


lrhall41

Submitted by anjackson20 on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 14:09

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this rose miller is part of a buffalo chip bottomfeeder,and the OP is in ohio.i guarantee there is no court action,or any other action regarding this pdl.she needs to file the necessary complaints asap.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Wed, 03/27/2013 - 05:31

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This has all the markups of a scam. Debts are civil, not criminal. You cannot be charged with fraud or any such BS. Secondly, legitimate process servers do not serve your over the phone or call to notify before they actually come knocking on your door. When these morons call the next time around, ask them to meet you with the summons at the sheriff's office and watch them shrink.
If you want to get this done silently and painlessly, ask them for their physical address and send them a C&D letter in writing via CMRRR. If they call after having received the C&D order, sue them.


lrhall41

Submitted by Steve Barris on Mon, 03/25/2013 - 21:18

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i noticed there is no phone number there so how legit can it be?btw buffalo is a haven for bottomfeeders so get the c&d to that address but know they mosy likely won't honor it.then the ball is in your court.send the letter certified mail return receipt and do not talk to them further.again a c&d(cease and desist)they can't validate as they have broken the law with their calls and threats they can't/won't carry out.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:59

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Just to give an update:

I received my CMRRR cards earlier last week in the mail. I have yet to hear anything from this company or the Ohio AG. Also, just to make things even more interesting, I got a phone call from a blocked number again and I knew right off the bat that it was a scam based off the voicemail that they left.

Anyone who leaves a voicemail stating: "This voicemail is being left in accordance to our federal laws for the state of Ohio" just shows their utter stupidity. That's a contradiction. If it was under federal law, it would be under the United States government. If it's for the state, then it would be for the specific state. Of course, they spewed a case number on the voicemail (which they are not legally allowed to do, if they were a respected company), said it was from their "check fraud department" and I had 24 hours to repsond.

Right after that, I got another phone call showing an actual telephone number for the state of New York. I didn't answer and they hungup before voicemail clicked in. I'm not even going to bother to call either of these numbers back.

Obviously, the previous group that called me a couple of weeks ago decided to pass my supposed "debt" along to some other "company" to see if they could get anything from me, since I contacted the Ohio AG and the FTC. I guess they try not to leave a solid trail.

In case anyone wondered what numbers were used:

678-825-6162 was the number left for me to call in the voicemail. It has a Georgia Area Code.
607-203-5509 was the number that called just 15 minutes later. It has a New York Area Code.


lrhall41

Submitted by anonymous on Mon, 04/08/2013 - 12:22

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Sending a DV request paired with a C&D letter makes no sense. One asks them not to contact you in any possible manner and the other requests them to send information regarding your debt. See the conflict?
Anyways, I am happy that you are done with these idiots. Hopefully you sent the C&D mail via CMRRR so that if they call again, you can just sue their pants off.


lrhall41

Submitted by Steve Barris on Thu, 03/28/2013 - 00:01

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Just an update for today:

I called Sterling again, to get an address, website and possibly an email address. I was in the process of filling out a complaint with the attorney general.

(BTW: Here is their information -
Sterling Account Solutions
2316 Delaware Ave. Suite #104
Buffalo, NY. 14216
Website: www.paysas.net

I received all of this information from an employee there.)

I got a very rude woman named "Casey," who stated that I shouldn't be calling them myself, that only a "legal representative" should be contacting them from now on. Now, keep in mind, I didn't even give this woman my name or phone number or validate ANY information before she told me any of this. I asked her for an address, website or email address.

She then asked me why I needed it and then stated my name and I told her that this was indeed the person she was speaking to. She then stated again that I should not be handling this myself and that since I spoke with a lawyer yesterday, that they should be the only ones contacting them. She stated that since I was going to get a lawyer for this issue, that I should just not bother. I didn't state anything of the sort. I told Davis Castill that I had spoken with a lawyer about the issue. That doesn't mean that I hired one for this case. She claimed that she spoke with me about this stuff yesterday. I corrected her, and told her that she only transfered me to Davis Castill. She did not speak with me about anyhting. She then went on to state the time and date that she took my phone call, as if to prove that she did speak to me personally about this matter. She then went on to explain all of the information that they researched about me (they had my old bank account number with Chase, she told me the time frame of when I took out the Pay Day Loan, claimed that they had an affidavit from Chase in regards to the money being processed into my account, stated that RCL Finance had indeed sent me notices in the mail, which I never got, and then went on to say that the investigation had concluded that I took the money and never intended to pay). As I stated, this information was NEVER told to me yesterday when I spoke to Davis Castill or when I spoke to John Abbott on Friday. And I sure as hell didn't speak about any of this with Casey. So, this gave me the impression that when you call them, you are calling into a "Call Center" environment and when you call from the number they have on file, all of your information appears on the screen. She did not ask me for the last 4 digits of my SS# to verify anything, nor did she state the "This is an attempt to collect a debt" speech. Actually, during her angry ramble, she stated all of the numbers in my SS#. ALL 9 digits.

I tried to explain to her that this was all new information and I that I had not been notified by any company in regards to this debt, let alone a court summons from my actual county. She told me that I was lying and that I could've thrown the notices in the trash, thinking it would never get resolved. She then stated that she has no idea if I got them or not, since she didn't live with me. She asked again why I was even bothering to call, and I told her that I wanted a validation of the debt. She stated that wasn't something that they did and it wasn't her concern. They just send out paperwork and that's it. She told me that I sounded "ridiculous" and that she was done with the phone call and told me "Goodbye."

These people are just downright insane. If you are sending out documents for a court summons, and then notifying the party about this before you send them out, but then when you call and they try to "set up a deal" to have you pay off the orignal balance and when you ask for validation from them, they refuse and just tell you to "wait for the documents and you MUST sign them to get them?" I'm sorry, this sounds like a scam. And then, when you start asking a ton of questions and bothering them like they do you, they have the nerve to try and hangup the phone and call you crazy. Look, if I have a debt that's this small ($464), send me the damn paperwork stating that it's still with the original creditor and I'll set up an arrangement and pay it. It makes no sense. Why wait 3 years to contact me about a debt that I assumed was paid, since I hadn't heard anything from the original company? It's nuts. They just get more and more creative everyday.

I will keep updating with the information I receive. If this "Rose Miller" does appear on my doorstep, I'll make sure to post an update about that as well.


lrhall41

Submitted by anjackson20 on Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:30

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