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VIN CAPITAL is being a pain. What do you suggest?? HELP!

Date: Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:18

Submitted by Scene7take77
on Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:18

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Total Replies: 6


So here are the email exchange I've had with this guy at VIN CAPITAL:

Me:
(Oct 3, 2012)
Dear Lender,

It has come to my attention that payday loans are prohibited in my state. Therefore, the loan contract that I have with you, according to my state’s laws, is not enforceable. Although I am not required to do so, I am willing to repay the principal balance of the loan. To date, I have received $200 and have made 3 “renewal” payments of $60 leaving a balance due of $20. I am willing to repay the $20 balance via credit card on 11/1.

At this time I am revoking ACH authorization. You are no longer authorized to withdraw payments from my checking account. I am also revoking any wage assignment I may have signed. I have given a copy of these revocations to both my bank and my employer. Any future attempts to collect funds in this manner will be blocked.

Please contact me to set up payment arrangements as outlined above.

VIN CAPITAL:
(oct 3, 2012)


We respect a consumer who researches the services to which he/she uses. With that being said when you applied for and agreed to the terms of the loan, it would have behooved you to read the complete contract you agreed to with VIN Capital. You are a citizen of New york, however the contract was not made in New york. The contract was completed via the world wide web, the governing law (clearly outlined in your contract) which you agreed to by your legal e-signature are the laws of the jurisdiction in which the lender is located. When you spoke with Shayna on 8/13/2012 at 12:43pm CST, she clearly outlined how the loan works and what the finance charges were, yet you still accepted the loan. Also this is your 3rd advance with VIN Capital, with a signed document for each reactivation.

We would be willing to settle with you for the principle amount remaining on your account. We could initiate the debit to your account of $200 on your next due date of 10/17/2012. If making one payment to payoff the principle isn’t possible for you, then another payoff arrangement may be available. Please call to let us know how you would like to proceed and ask for me directly. If I am not available, then please request a supervisor. You can also have the debits stopped on your account by placing a stop payment on our debit. This will result in your being sold to outside collections.


AlecS
CWB Services LLC.
p. 866-272-1866
f. 866-274-3604


ME:
(Oct 3, 2012)

Hm...how did I guess this is the response I'd be getting



I hope you do not make the mistake of debiting my checking account after I revoked ACH authorization. I don't think you are interested in being brought up on federal charges.

You can either take my payment arrangement as I offered it to you, or you can stick it. You have no recourse here. If it is more profitable for you to sell this to outside collections rather than take my $20, then you can do that; I will save myself the 20 and cease and desist the CA.

Your choice.

Best regards!

Then I wrote to them again with this:
(Oct 3, 2012)

After doing my research about payday loans, I have learned that even though you are based in a different state, unless you are licensed in my state, which is New York, it is ILLEGAL for you to do a payday loan.
Now, I am NOT one of these slimy people who get a loan and then try to find ways to not pay it. I am, however, one of these people who get a loan, pay it back (and even more than the loan and fees) and will fight to stop having an illegal company take money out of my account!
I have also learned that it is in my right to stop ach debit payments from my account. This is not illegal. What is illegal is your company!!
You feel you can bully people into paying more than what they borrowed. You hope these people are too stupid to research and realize what you are doing is illegal. It is also disgusting and immoral.
You use scare tactics to get people to give you their money after they paid you what they borrowed. I am not stupid. I do not believe you can have me arrested or put my social security number on hold. I DO NOT believe you are a genuine company and I DO NOT believe you help people when they need it. You pray on working class people who are in financial trouble.



VIN CAPITAL :
(Oct 3,2012)

Please provide a good contact number so that I can contact you regarding setting up alternate arrangements, your current number on file 631-896-2345 is disconnected . If I do not hear from you prior to 10/17/2012 I will set up the full amount of 200 to pull from your account. please see below regarding your contract and revoking your transactions, this information can be found in your loan document and disclosure.

ME:
(Oct 3,2012)

I do not want any communication via phone. Communication will be through email or postal mail ONLY!
I revoke any and all ach


Then he writes this
VIN CAPITAL:
(Oct3,2012)

Thank you for responding, however we do have your full permission to take the 200 out of your account. at this time Your account is set up for the 200. I will not stop the payment, and I will not accept 20 dollars. You have reactivated your account and fully understand all terms of your advance. I have already dropped the 60 renewal charge off. Your balance is 200 to pay off, if your payment from 10/3 returns then you will be responsible for 350 to pay off. You have agreed to skip your payment to double up on 10/3 and that agreement must follow through. If returned than your balance is 350 for payoff, nothing less. Please contact our office if you are needing to set up alternate arrangements to pay off your balance. otherwise every email from here on out will be considered junk mail.


So I reply of course:
(Oct 3,2012)

This is not how a legitimate company would deal with this. This proves even more that you are criminals. Junk mail this. I am showing my bank the ach revoke letter and have printed it out to send to any collection agent. It is in your best interest to just take the $20 and be done.
If you do not, then you are telling me you are criminals. Thank you

So now I am pissed cause he isn't responding. So I write a couple emails:

ME:
(Oct 3,2012)

Oh my gosh. I am so sorry. Wow I can't believe I wasn't going to pay you what You deserve.


Oh wait, you deserve NOTHING! But the only payment you will receive is what I LEGALLY owe you! $20. Either email me your mailing address to send the payment of $20, or go shove it

ME:
(Oct 3,2012)

Threatening New York residents is not wise!


Now I'm getting really angry!! And when I get really angry, I swear to get attention, especially if someone is ignoring me!


ME:
(Oct 3,2012)

Here is a contact number:

1800-fuc-koff


So he finally replies

VIN CAPITAL:
(Oct 3,2012)

Please have your attorney contact me at their earliest convenience



ME ;
(Oct 3,2012)

For what reason please?

Please give me your mailing address so I can send my final payment. Thank you



He doesn't respond with a reason, so I send another email.

ME:
(Oct 3,2012)

Dear Asswipe

Take the twenty or go scratch. ACH authorization has been revoked and if you try to debit my account, the bank will not honor it.


Then I replied again to him requestion my attorney contact him

ME:
(Oct 4,2012)

And why is this? My attorney doesn't need to contact illegal lenders for no good reason. Give me a good, viable reason why they should contact you? Hm....

By the way, I am reporting your company and you to New York State attorney and anyone else who I can find that should know about your illegal company. Thank you for this!


Ok, so I send him one more email.

ME:
(Oct 4,2012)


Electronic Funds Transfer Act

907. Preauthorized transfers

(a) A preauthorized electronic fund transfer from a consumer's account may be authorized by the consumer only in writing, and a copy of such authorization shall be provided to the consumer when made. A consumer may stop payment of a preauthorized electronic fund transfer by notifying the financial institution orally or in writing at any time up to three business days preceding the scheduled date of such transfer. The financial institution may require written confirmation to be provided to it within fourteen days of an oral notification if, when the oral notification is made, the consumer is advised of such requirement and the address to which such confirmation should be sent.


I AM REVOKING ACH AUTHORIZATION. By law I am ALLOWED to do so. And your response to my precious emails is PROOF you read and received this more than once. Thank you!!



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Ok...so what now?! I do not want to backdown but this a-hole is regarding my emails as junk mail?? Wtf? What do I do?? Anyone have advice on what to write him? Arg this is annoying!!! I want him to do my loan as paid in full. And I don't want to quit until he does. How do I get him to respond??

HELP!!!!!!


just let it go.but do file the AG complaint anyway.it's not worth it to engage in a pissing contest with a pr*ck.he doesn't want the 20.00 and ignore his sorry self when he can't access your account.his loss.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Fri, 10/05/2012 - 11:39

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It's funny how mass street group caved and agreed to my terms in which I will pay when I want, and then VIN capital does the complete opposite.
But, atleast that's two down. Three to go!

Now I have VIP, Cash call (but I've heard they don't back down) and cash cure!

I'm just so happy, cause I've had my cell turned off for about 4 months, and I have to pay over $500 by nov 5th, or my account is gone. Like now I am only suspended and when I pay, I can Reactivate. But after nov 5, it'll be gone. But since I've closed my bank account and are getting rid of these payday loans, I can now save my phone and start having a life. I am SOOO thankful for this website!

(I'm going to post a new thread dedicated to THANK YOUS)!!


lrhall41

Submitted by Scene7take77 on Fri, 10/05/2012 - 12:21

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Ok so...I wrote this email to the guy at VIN CAPITAL alittle bit ago
You not sending me your address to send my last payment just proves even more that you are a criminal and your company is ILLEGAL!!! So, thanks for more proof!!! You're making this easy!!!
If you don't respond and put in my loan that it is PAID IN FULL...you'll have a lot of emails to deal with. Just admit defeat so you can have a pleasant weekend and I can be out of your life forever!! Again, if you attempt to take any money, even a penny, out of the bank account on file, YOU are breaking the law! All emails will be saved and recorded, and if you have the balls to contact a LEGAL collection agency, you will be in the wrong and nothing will happen to me.
My lawyer is a sophisticated gentleman who follows the law. He is not going to call some asshole who works for an illegal company and who lies for a living. All communication WILL be through email! You can call my email junk, that's fine. I will keep emailing you and Shayna and anyone else is your company. Unless of course, it's just you and Shayna, robbing and stealing from
People. What, you couldn't get a real job? You have to steal for a living? I really hope one day you are found and put in jail! I hope it's me who gets you arrested! What you do to people is jacked up! You are a worthless human being. You and Shayna!! You prey on people and hope they are stupid so you can steal their money!!
I AM REVOKING ACH AUTHORIZATION. IT IS IN MY LEGAL RIGHT TO DO SO! I AM NOT BREAKING THE LAW! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO DEBIT ANYTHING OUT OF THE BANK ACCOUNT ON FILE, THEN YOU ARE COMMITTING THE CRIME!! AND ANY REAL AND LEGAL COLLECTION AGENCY WILL KNOW THIS. YOU DO NOT SCARE ME! I WISH I COULD MEET YOU IN PERSON AND SEE WHAT A REAL SCUM BAG LOOKS LIKE!
Loan....
This was his response:
Below is the address for our lender please have the funds in prior to 10/16 or we will pull from the account as agreed. I have also copied part of the agreement in this response as well for your attorney and the others CC on this email to look over. This agreement was sent on 8/13/2012 and is in your loan document and disclosure email that was signed for your reactivation. I understand you are upset over your advance and not following terms, but like we have stated this is your 3rd advance you have taken out with our lender, agreeing to all 3. Again I will be sending the address but if the money order is not in our office prior to 10/17 we will pull as agreed the renewal charge only.
VIN CAPITAL
C/O CWB Services LLc.
P.O. Box 411056
Kansas City, MO. 64141
We have to have the physical money order via postal service not later than 5 business days after the due date 10/10, to prevent us from debiting the account on your application.
And this next email is the last one I will send.

Don't even bother with pulling anything. As I stated before, I am revoking authorization.
I will be sending my $20 payment and it will probably get to you after 10/17. But again, as I have stated before, I am revoking ach authorization as I am allowed to do by LAW!

And I know this is the third time I have gotten a loan from you. And I have paid every loan! AND, I did not know you were as illegal payday loan, and that is why I borrowed from you. But after the $20 is received, I will have NO obligation to your company. My lawyer will know if you have tried to ILLEGALLY take money out of my bank account. And the bank will too.
Thank you

And after I send the$20, I will be done with this company!


lrhall41

Submitted by Scene7take77 on Fri, 10/05/2012 - 14:56

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Hello.
So, I just got an email from Vin Capital with my account summary attached. Saying I still owe $260. Funny. So, when I replied, the email came back saying invalid email address. So, I found the email I recieved from the previous a$$wipe from earlier, and I just emailed him this:

you are NOT authorized to take ANY money out of my account!! I am r=
evoking ach authorization AND wage assignment. My bank will have a copy of t=
his and if ANY money is taken out, there will be further action!


I wonder if he will respond. My checking account has been closed for a while now (maybe 3 weeks or so). So this is kind of funny


lrhall41

Submitted by Scene7take77 on Sat, 10/27/2012 - 17:31

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