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Debt Consolidation Care - scam or not???

Submitted by on Fri, 04/17/2009 - 23:47
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Came across this post on another site, kinda confusing.

ripoffreport.com/reports/0/434/RipOff0434484.htm

Any thoughts?


I don't understand your confusion. Someone complained. Vikas answered the complaint. If you are still confused, maybe you shouldn't be using a computer and surfing the web. Maybe you should make sure your helmet is securely fastened at all times since I don't think you can afford to loose very many more brain cells. Any more thoughts Greg James, Brad Haskins, Jinsanjose?


Submitted by NASCAR_Devil on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 04:16

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Sorry I wasn't more specific or clear in the question. You obviously took this question as a threat, which helps prove the point that I was curious about. It appears that your leader "Vikas" has figured out a way to make a ton of money off of people like yourself. You - collectively the "Morderators" and "other's" of this forum that provide content every single day for him. Which brings me to my next point.


View this site to understand this better.

seomoz.org/blog/chris-bennet-on-rip-off-report

[samebox:bb6cd08e48="Vikas"]

Please do not compare this forum with ripoffreport.

There is an easy free way to either respond to or remove content from this forum:

http://www.ourcommunitypower.com/vikas/how-to-respond-to-information-posted-about-you-or-your-company-on-ourcommunitypowercom-forums/
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Ripoffreport's business model generates cash from modern day "business extortion" and Vikas with this forum generates cash from using a hybrid of such model.

[samebox:bb6cd08e48="Vikas"]
There is no extortion. If there is false content send me a fax under penalty of perjury saying that the content is false and I will remove that content. There is no cost to this service.
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This is a quote from the story in the link above "integrating the negative linkbait pull of trashing a business or person as a link acquisition technique, using the link weight to rank well for company names".

One of the differences it how money is generated. Ripoffreport is shameless, getting the money directly from the companies that did the supposed "wrong doing". In the case of this forum, the money comes from the web traffic that is specifically looking for debt assitance in some manner. Type in" debt consolidation" this site / forum is ranked # 1 on google. I'm sure that Vikas generates money by lead generation, Google Adsense, and kick backs from any of the popular companies that are referenced in the forum that have not been trashed.
[samebox:bb6cd08e48="Vikas"]
I am saying under penalty of perjury that I have never asked for money to protect some one from getting trashed in the forums or to remove negative content.
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It appears that Vikas has figured out the old adage of "good cop bad cop" by utilizing the "content providers of the forum" to be the bad cop so to speak while remaining the good cop. At least that's his perception, or he actually thinks he is making a difference. Probably not, it's all about the cash I'm sure. The twist is the "hybrid kick back" model that he has incorporated. Rewarding / paying people that post with a nominal fee to keep the content rolling in, with a quasi point system to show how much of a follower that the "sheep" aka "moderators" really are. Your badge of honor (self worth) is dictated by the amount of post and points you have accumulated. Side note, it's good to believe in something, but seriously... Vikas - who is this person? It appears he failed at running a settlement company after a very short run in the industry, that's impressive.

[samebox:bb6cd08e48="Vikas"]
I have never run a debt settlement company and I do not intend to. Though I have helped OVLG with their technology and for that read:
http://www.ourcommunitypower.com/vikas/my-relationship-with-oak-view-law-group/
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Visit archive.org and type in the debtconsolidationcare.com and see for yourself.

So today he makes money by utilizing this platform by bashing the very industry that he could not deliver on himself. That's very american of him... isn't it?

[samebox:bb6cd08e48="Vikas"]
Please do not post these allegations anonymously if you have a problem with me call me and lets try to find a solution.
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good job Vikas you should be a citizen if you are not already. You really fit in now. Hope your parents are proud.

Who do you work for "Nascar_Devil" or let me guess, you don't want to reveal yourself or your company either. Vikas has trained his "sheep" on how the system really works.

[samebox:bb6cd08e48="NASCAR_Devil"]
Actually who I work for is irrelevant for this conversation but I am in the Third Party Logistics Industry which has nothing to do with credit repair. This is just a hobby.
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Any more thoughts, my beloved "Smoke" fan ???

[samebox:bb6cd08e48="NASCAR_Devil"]

A few but I'll keep them to myself for now
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Submitted by on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 09:18

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Your version of this business model is better, looking at it from your perspective. It took a little longer to figure out. ROR was so obvious, ED really is a nut case. Very smart, but still a nutcase. You on the other hand are much more cleaver than he is, not sure on your legal acumen. I'm sure it will be tested over time. No need to remove content, once it's posted it's posted.

[samebox:af9e93018f="Vikas"]
I can not read all the content that gets posted on the DebtCC forums everyday. So the best alternatives I can provide is:

Alternative1: Samebox response if the content has some truth to it the company or person can provide inline perspective from the other side.

Alternative 2: The facility of completely removing the content if there is no truth to the content.

I am not even charging for this service.

Do you have any better suggestions ?
If you have suggestions on how to handle this problem of libel and defamatory content being posted on DebtCC please let me know. I am open for exploring other ideas to make this forum a neutral discussion place and not a credit card / pay day loan / collection agency bashing forums. I personally feel that credit card companies / pay day loan companies and collection agencies have significant roles to play in our Nations economy.
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Submitted by on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 09:47

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I wonder who you really are.brad?jinsanjose? It doesn't matter.

I want you to reconsider joining these forums as a registered member and participating in the community. You have good legal brains and I am sure you can be of help.

As for your skepticism keep posting your questions and we will respond. And hopefully one day you will see that we are here to help people.

* Edited by Vikas to enforce the TOS


Submitted by paulmergel on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 10:24

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I guess I must proclaim my point of view. I don't have any stake in this website. I don't care about DebtCC points. No one enticed me by the promise of points and while I have taken advantage of them (hell, who wouldn't give up free money), I will give give them up. No one offered them me in order to post here and I am in no need of them. You want them? They're yours. I came to help people who need it. Obviously you don't. Please know, I have absolutely no interest in the profit side of this businessbut as a Moderator here, I will not allow you to cause disruption to this part of the site.


Submitted by NASCAR_Devil on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 17:31

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Or even better, I resign my role as Moderator and contributing member of this site effective immediately. I have better things to do with my life than deal with this BULLSHIT!

[samebox:76b9572d5c="Vikas"]Please do not resign you are a valuable member of the community.

If we keep calm, composed and united during these times we will emerge stronger
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Submitted by NASCAR_Devil on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 17:39

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nascar.listen to me my man.i am someone who has endured more than most on this site because of the help i give.you can't go.you are an invaluable member here and are needed.don't let this get to you.it just shows we make some people nervous.it proves what we do makes a difference.that i learned over the past few days.besides leaving is giving this person what they want.i know in your heart you don't want that.


Submitted by paulmergel on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 18:18

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Nascar you're a douche bag and always have been

[samebox:b2b6b4c2f3="NASCAR_Devil"]
An anonymous poster calling me a douchebag? That is funny. It's easy to insult someone behind the veil of anonymity. When you decide to grow a pair and confront me as a man, then I'll give your posts any consideration. Until then PI$$ Off.
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[samebox:b2b6b4c2f3="Vikas"]
Please do not post such hurtful things anonymously. Nascar has helped many people on these boards. He has saved lives by giving people financial advice when they had reached end of their rope.
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- your response to the Guest45's comment proves that. I accept your resignation you tool of a moderator.

[samebox:b2b6b4c2f3="NASCAR_Devil"]

Jealosy is unbecoming of a Troll. So I guess I'll stick around. If it it pi$$e$ you off, so much the better.
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[samebox:b2b6b4c2f3="Vikas"]
I as a founder of this community can attest to how helpful Nascar has been as a moderator. I am sure Nascar is going to look through this anonymous attempt to ruffle his feathers.
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Submitted by on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 21:43

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You too PaulMergel - accept critism and negative remarks with grace instead of a damn attitude. Not every negative comment towards this website and all you moderator tools is meant to take debtconsolidationcare.com down - it's a simple observation. Make an educated comment next time instead of lashing out.


Submitted by on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 21:46

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Oh Boy :roll:

What a TROLL season :?

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An Internet troll is someone who posts offensive, controversial, or divisive material on an Internet community. Trolls are an unfortunately common occurrence on many communities across the Internet, and there are various steps which can be taken to combat them. If you are currently struggling with an Internet troll, the best thing to do is to walk away, since trolls feed on attention, and they will usually disappear if they are ignored. Source: Internet Troll


Submitted by Cool_Abyss on Sun, 04/19/2009 - 11:18

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right back at you guest.by the way,i'm going nowhere.deal with it.


Submitted by paulmergel on Sun, 04/19/2009 - 14:06

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I don't plan on going anywhere either, and I'm not even a moderator.

I came here when I was unemployed and harassed by a CA that was violating the law. What I learned here helped me realize what this CA was doing was illegal and gave me the information I needed to seek out legal representation and sue them. I was able to get back just a little bit of the self respect I had lost during that trying time.

I stuck around in order to help people to avoid the crap I went though.

I have never been approached by anyone at this Oak View Law group. Ever.

Guest, you obviously have some sort of personal vendetta against Vikas and keep popping up here every now and then to stir up trouble. You obviously need to get a life and focus your attentions to more constructive activities. You can call me whatever names that make you feel better about yourself, as you did NASCAR_Devil; however, at the end of the day they're just words and not a thing you have to say will affect me.

So move on! Your foolishness is not welcome here.


Submitted by FloridaRon on Mon, 04/20/2009 - 11:01

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Sorry I let these tools under my skin. I can see now that me being here not only helps the people that truly need it, but there's a few out there that I really must intimidate. Maybe when they grow up we can go out and have a drink together. Then I can physically beat them the way cowards like them deserve to be beat. Ahh...how sweet it would be. :twisted:


Submitted by NASCAR_Devil on Tue, 04/21/2009 - 04:23

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NASCAR,

Excellent! I, for one, would miss you if you left. Your answers are to the point and often funny!

Obviously someone making the kind of argument as the OP has no knowledge of the internet except perhaps the encapsulated realm of AOL! Can you imagine the massive internet bill per month from the internet traffic? *NO* website who gets any kind of attention can afford to stay afloat without making money somehow. They *all* do. I do not see this as a Registered Charity and it not only does not charge users, it PAYS them!!! This website isn't plastered with 1,000 ads so it *has* to make money somehow.

And I agree with your last sentiment here.

And I LOVE your avatar!!

And, for the record, a scammer promises you services that they do not deliver. DebtCC promises nothing except private people's personal opinions and a referral service if they should so *choose* to avail themselves of it. And a cool place to hang out, meet new people, and help others.

Wonderful!

And Paul, hahaha, I thought it was Brad, too!

And another thing, obviously the OP doesn't even know much about DebtCC! I have seen so many people here be themselves, as they are. When they smell BS they call it. People like Vikas because 1) he is likable (gee, there's a concept!) and 2) this forum provides a wonderful service - note how many pretenders have sprung up after DebtCC in order to cash in. I would doubt *their* integrity /long/ before I doubted DebtCC.

AND OF COURSE HE'S IN IT TO MAKE MONEY. Of all the uneducated accusations to make! What an idea!

And the last and most *hilarious* accusation: bashing the debt settlement industry? Do you know anything *at all* about this Forum? Have you ever seen the sign-up page with the REFERRAL SERVICE to debt settlement companies?

And there is another point. I WORK FOR THIS FORUM. I *AM* against debt settlement companies and I make no attempt to hide it. And yet, I am allowed to be honest and be myself even if it goes against the direct policy of DebtCC, which supports Debt Settlement over Bankruptcy. I love it here because there are tools here for anyone to do the work themselves, for anyone to arm themselves with the knowledge needed to wrest free from crushing debt. I have been lurking in this Forum since November of 2007 and I have nothing but good things to say about it, aside from the somewhat naive - and, in my opinion, misplaced - faith in the Debt Settlement industry. Because it empowers people to fight for their rights, and that brings the concept of Justice and Fairness closer to the Heart and we could use more Freedom fighters in these days when our Freedoms are being ripped away from us one by one under deceptive pretenses.

I shall bring up one more point: it's called ad-hominem "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem". Anyone who has to make it personal has no argument. It is a personal vendetta and it takes a person without integrity to lower themselves to such a puerile adumbration of an accusation that is baseless at best, libelous at worse.

WE LOVE YOU NASCAR_Devil! :rose: :sun: :hug:

**AGAIN**, if you have a REAL complaint against a company, file it with the proper authorities. Otherwise, keep it to yourself. These accusations make you sound like a petulant brat, and not a concerned citizen who wants to defend other citizens against scams.


Submitted by Chrys Henderson on Tue, 04/21/2009 - 05:55

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All I can say is I came here when I needed help and got it. I am out from under my payday loans, plus I have had other help when I needed it. People have donated their points to help me and I have done the same for others. No one asks for anything in return, which I think makes this place great. People are here to get help and a lot stay around to offer help and advice for those that still need help. Not that we have to, it is because we want to be here. I don't know what is up with all the trolls coming on here with their complaints, but they must not know too much on how this site works. I may not be on here as much as I use to, but plan on staying around.


Submitted by 2nband on Tue, 04/21/2009 - 09:34

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i agree, and frankly i love you nascar! i know that im still a little wet behind the ears, but this site is really facing the problems that poeple need help with today. This site not only is informational, but emotionally helpful. frankly im pretty much done with my debt issues, a few still lingering but i like it here. i feel at home and have made some friends. I also feel like my experience helps others, and so what if vikas makes money off this site or not? its valuable and i thank him for opening such a caring site were people could come together and share experiences and lend a hand when needed. perfect example, not to long ago i think it may have been beals but i could be wrong, needed help with money. that post was so long with people donating thier points to come to thier aid. were else would this happen? its one of the few places were people still use thier heart to help others and im proud to be a part of that.


Submitted by love_my_things on Wed, 04/22/2009 - 06:59

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That's about enough of this.
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- Uncle Wulf


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