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update and even worse news - could really use some advice

Date: Wed, 02/28/2007 - 13:12

Submitted by inferiority13
on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 13:12

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We sent out debt validations to the lawyer who is suing us. His associate called today, almost three weeks after we attempted to call the lawyer directly, threatening my husband with judgment. He claimed that, in two weeks, they will be passing judgment on my husband, so he better pay it now or else. He also yelled at my husband, accusing him of not having a job and "laying around on his ass all day". My husband hung up on him after that, then called the clerk of courts. She redirected us to the magistrate, who told us that there isn't a court date, but that the lawyer had no obligation to validate the debt and all he had to prove was that my husband had the credit card, nothing else. Whenever I told her the company the lawyer is suing for sent us a letter saying they do not own the debt, she said that it doesn't matter, because there is a charge-off paper on the back of the summons. The charge-off paper is something I could have printed off myself... it only has a credit line and an extremely large payment amount on it, nothing else. The credit line isn't even accurate, because the card was only for $200 - they're claiming $1000. I asked her if we could have mediation, given if the debt is actually owned by them, and she said no. She said that, one way or another, unless we prove that it was identity theft, there was going to be a judgment against my husband, despite his willingness to work this out and make payments.

We're at a loss for what to do. Obviously we're between a rock and a hard place - we can't afford to pay what they're asking. We were approved for 100% financing on a house that we *desperately* need, so this makes it even worse. If they pass judgment before the loan goes through, we're screwed, aren't we? The place we're at now is falling apart and we really, really, really need to move. I mean, we just don't have the money to pay this in one lump sum. We don't have the money for a lawyer, can't find anyone to help us at all, and I'm just very scared right now that we're not going to be able to move. All of our money is being eaten up by this house and our rent. Our income taxes had to go to replace the furnace and redo the plumbing, because it froze and exploded. It came down to either heat and plumbing or paying this damn lawyer for a debt he won't even bother proving he actually has the right to claim.

I am so stressed out.

ETA: What is the SOL in Ohio? I'm getting mixed results in my searches - some say six years and some say four years.


SOL in OH is six years. Find out from your previous bank statements when you last paid on this account. If the debt is already past the SOL, the lawyer can take you to the court but seeing the debt out of the SOL, the judge will dismiss the case. You have to prove your case with copies of your bank statements and a dispute letter sent to the lawyer's office notifying the expiry of SOL.


lrhall41

Submitted by a_neblat on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 13:35

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I was hoping so much that it was five years. We're like five months away from the SOL date, so that won't work.

I don't know what to do anymore. Are these people not human or something? My husband had lost his job, we had lost our home, we couldn't afford to pay any of this stuff, then whenever we thought we had settled the debts, this a**hole comes along and says nope, not settled and that he doesn't even want to work with us on getting some payments worked out so he can get paid and we can avoid judgment.

ETA: We already contacted a lawyer and his only advice was to file bankruptcy. We hardly owe anything, the bankruptcy would actually cost us more than what we owe(excluding this).

Is it legal for a judge to decide, before it even goes to court, that he's going to pass judgment? My husband has gone in front of this judge before, for a completely unrelated thing. I know he would recognize my husband's name, so can I safely assume he's doing this because he doesn't like my husband?


lrhall41

Submitted by inferiority13 on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 13:41

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How much is the total debt? If it's not a huge amount that recovers their court costs and filing fees, chances are slim.

When the lawyer calls you next time, know your state laws and record the phone calls. His statements made are a sure shot case of FDCPA78 violation.

The lawyer has to validate the debt according to the fdcpa. You have every right to know about their authorization on collecting this debt.


lrhall41

Submitted by BKP on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 14:33

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Wow, that response from the court seems really strange to me. I'm really not all that familiar with judgements but my husband got served a couple of weeks ago. He is in a consolidation program where this debt is included. What the lawyer said to you today seems to be a violation of the fdcpa. You may want to contact the Attorney Generals office to get further input on this.


lrhall41

Submitted by Cow & Chicken on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 16:19

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I thought it was a really weird response, too. I mean, I don't know... this whole situation is extremely strange.

We're going to contact legal aid tomorrow and get their help with this. My husband talked to his dad's girlfriend, whose ex-husband is a lawyer, so she did know some stuff that we didn't. I didn't know we could go to legal aid(we can't afford to pay full cost for a lawyer), so I'm hoping they'll be able to sort all of this out.

Is it strange that the lawyer who called had no clue we had submitted anything to the clerk of courts? Whenever my husband stated we had sent a DV letter, the lawyer made no response about it, just skimmed over it and started yelling at my husband.


lrhall41

Submitted by inferiority13 on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 16:27

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Wow, that response from the court seems really strange to me.


It does, and it doesn't. It boils down to what the state's laws, and the court's procedures require. I can't express just how [insert expletive here] that is, but it is possible that the magistrate is following the law, and was just very forward with you. As I advised another poster, if you cannot obtain an attorney, there is a chance that a paralegal can be of assistance. No court representation, but they can help you with research and filing. I *believe* judges also must be registered with the bar. If the judge is actually acting unethically, perhaps you could lodge a complaint with your state's bar association.

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You are in a bind when a judge predecides a case before it is even filed.


Or even when it seems that way. I "lost" $6.6-10,000 and it most certainly felt like that was the case. I am still "upset" over the matter.

P.S.: I'm not discounting the idea that the magistrate does have something against your husband, he/she is a human being, and subject to improper behavior; I'm presenting another possible side.


lrhall41

Submitted by Morningstar on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 16:32

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I'm glad that you will be getting some help on this issue. I've just never heard of a magistrate saying such a thing. Did you send the DV letter certified mail with return receipt? I know when I contacted the court about my husband's summons she stated that no court date had been set yet. We had twenty-eight days to respond the creditor's lawyer and to the courts. Then I guess a pretrial is set after that but nothing as obscene as what you are going through. We are going to see our lawyer next week to help resopond to the summons. Since the debt is with a consolidation company, we have a signed proposal agreement along with proof of cashed monthly payments. His payment to the CCCS for this account is only $50 less a month then his regular payment would be. This creditor is sue happy though. We might actually have a case against them. We sent a DV letter to their lawyer last week.


lrhall41

Submitted by Cow & Chicken on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 16:33

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Can they make a decision before the case goes to court without hearing both sides? I'm in Ohio as well and I've never heard of this happening before. I have a friend who works in a different county courthouse than I'm in but they would almost always work out a payment arrangement if acceptable to both parties.


lrhall41

Submitted by Cow & Chicken on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 16:39

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Yep, certified mail with return receipt. We sent DV letters to the clerk of courts, the lawyer, the CA listed on the summons, plus the other names they work under. We received no reply, except for a letter stating that the CA listed on the summons does not own the debt and they didn't know what to tell us. Then today the lawyer's "associate" contacted my husband and began screaming at him.

There is still no court date set, but the magistrate pretty much gave us no hope whatsoever for even being heard, let alone actually working anything out.


lrhall41

Submitted by inferiority13 on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 16:47

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