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Submitted by anc526 on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 11:18
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I had a citibank student loan that defaulted. I get a call today for the first time from a lady from DCS with a phone number of 209-858-3612. She told me that I had a balance due of $6,900 and how did I plan to pay that today.

I told her I do NOT have an extra 6 grand laying around and could I set up payments. She said sure no problem she would just have to fill out a financial application.

So she starts asking basic questions about my income etc. When I told her I was unemployed she asked if I got unemployment I told her no and that my husband worked.

Then she started asking where my husband worked, a phone number for his employer, his income etc. My husband isn't even ON this student loan I got it before we even knew each other.

So then she goes on to asking about my mortgage balance, the value of my house, my monthly mortgage payment, who my mortgage is with. Then she wanted to know about my car. I don't have a car my husband and I share one and it's in his name. She wanted to know the make and model. When I finally asked her why she needed to know that in reference to a payment plan she told me that it was for asset discovery!

She originally told me that it was for figuring out if they can get me on a payment plan, then after I give her all this info she says its for asset discovery if they need to go to court. I was almost in tears. And THEN she asks for 3 credit references which they will contact if they can't reach me. I told her I don't have anyone I feel comfortable giving out information for.

She swore they would only call them if they can't get ahold of me, but I doubt that. Then she said I had an incomplete application because I refused to give her references but she will see what she can do.

She put me on hold for 10 minutes, came back and said that I can either settle for $4,985 or make a 50% down payment ($3,115) and then $100 a month until the bill is settled. I told her that isn't an option for me that I don't have that kind of money and then I was told that my account is going to review in 2 days (9/18) and that they will recommend to citibank more stringent collection activities begin.

Today is the first day they ever called and they are giving me 2 days to come with up at LEAST $3,000!! I told her there is no way and she told me to just make a payment of whatever I can and they will see I'm trying and maybe give me to the end of the month to come up with 3k. But even that isn't feasible.

And all this after she lied to me!!

She said she was filling out a payment plan app, but then got information for asset discovery. Isn't that illegal can she really lie to me like that just to get info??

I don't even know what to do.


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I recieved a call from DCS....it was regarding my student loans. I advised them that I was out of work since June of 2009. I asked them if they would please keep in touch with me and as soon as I had a job I would be glad to get on the rehabilitation program. Well, I filed my taxes and every bit of it was taken....I only had to make payments of 120/mo for 9 months. That is like 1088.00. My tax return was well over that amount. How can they do that? Arent they only supposed to collect on what is owed or in default at the time? And i have not been able to get in touch with them since my tax return was taken. What can I do?


You were not in voluntary repayment...that is now they are able to do it. You may be forgetting the 18% collection fees and daily interest....the lien would have been filed in Oct.


Submitted by SOAPLADY on Thu, 02/04/2010 - 13:07

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explain this!! i called the company to offer to make payments on my loan because great lakes told me they had my loan and blah blah and i want to finish my degree. so i call about 8 months ago, they guy was an a** when I CONTACTED THEM and told me i couldnt make payments i had to pay in full. ok well i am a single mom of 2 with a crappy part time job, paying a loan in FULL is NOT an option. so i wait till this tax return and figure i will pay it off with that and go back to school, no biggie. i call they say i owe this amount and i say ok. but NOW he offers to let me make payments and says its important for me to go back to school. lmao. uhm ok. then i find out there is an offset on my tax return to pay this loan, so i contact DCS yet again and talk to the same guy, it sends me straight to him when i call, and he says "oh i did not know that, well here is whats going to happen. they will take your entire return and in about 2 to 6 months they will take out what you owe, which by then will be much more than what it is now due to interest and such, and then mail you a check with whats left if anything." i say ok i will call you back. 8 days after filing i RECEIVE MY FEDERAL RETURN WITH THE AMOUNT OF THE LOAN TAKEN OUT. so i call him again and let him know my refund has been given to me, and the amount of the loan has been taken out. then he says, "well it has not been applied to the account yet so in my eyes you still owe (said amt)." WTF. so 1. he is either trying to scam me for more money OR he is a dumba** who has no clue what he is talking about. 2. if it was going to take 2 to 6 months for the loan amt to be taken out of my refund, how did i get my refund in 8 days with the amt of the loan taken out? 3. why does the irs and treasury dept say the money has been sent to the collector and yet he says i still owe the same amount and nothing has been applied and calls daily to ask me for money? its all bull and i am tired of fighting to get back in school. i have 2 other loans in deferment and am doing my best to better myself for my family and this company is taking me for a run around. i am to the point of contacting a lawyer.


Submitted by on Fri, 02/12/2010 - 12:03

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Why do people think everything is a scam?? You owed the cash and just because the transfer hasnt been applied to your account, you think they are scamming you??

For starters, the IRS seizes millions of dollars in owed money.The IRS did not say it was sent to the collector....re read your letter. The letter says it has been sent to your guarantor. The funds are transmited to each guarantor en masse...the guarantor has to apply the funds to your account. THIS TAKES TIME. They do not hire extra people so they get to it when they get to it. Keep in mind you may still owe your guarantor money...sometimes collection fees are not included in the offset and interest continues to accrue daily.

You have money to pay an attorney?? Funny....you did not pay your debt voluntarily....dont expect them to jump up and down for a garnishment.


Submitted by SOAPLADY on Fri, 02/12/2010 - 12:27

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My student loan went into default a year ago, and DCS Inc after hard handed tactics, got me to begin paying them the amount of the loan I assumed Access Group sold to them. I am now filing my 2009 tax returns, is DCS required to provide me with a student loan interest report? I am not sure if they in fact facture in interest on the loan amount I am now paying them. [EMAIL="pheonixxxgate@aol.com"]PERSONAL INFORMATION REMOVED
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Submitted by on Sat, 02/13/2010 - 12:51

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Student loans are NOT sold to collection agencies. DCS is either representing the Access group if it was a private loan or your guarantor if it was a federal loan. If you read your mail, it will specifically state who they are representing. The loan holder will provide you with your interest statement. Keep in mind with federal loans, collection fees are paid first so you may not have even paid any interest depending on how much you owed and how much you paid.


Submitted by SOAPLADY on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 05:17

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My student loan originated with Citibank. It was refinanced by Express Loans Services. While in forebearance with Express Loans I went back to school. But instead of giving me an In School Defferment, Express Loans "sold" my loan to American Education Services, who refused to work with me. They refused to acknowledge the fact that I had returned to school. And they did this just DAYS after I received my updated FAFSA and other grant documents. Once the loan went into default I LOST my student loans and grants. American Education Services sent me a letter stating that, since its a Federal Loan, it will appear on my credit as a "Government Claim". With a
"Government Claim" on your credit report, getting HIRED for EMPLOYMENT will be difficult at best because employers LOOK at YOUR credit report.

So they first took away my ability to continue my education. Then they took away my ability to seek and gain employment.

I am disabled, receiving SSI, and have a disabled child. School was our way out of a hole. My way to be able to provide for my child when I'm no longer here. AND THEY TOOK IT AWAY! They STOLE our chance at survival! Now American Education Services has turned it over to DCS Inc. and I read all THIS! If they take ANY of my SSI my child and I will LOSE our HOME! And we have NO WHERE to go.

What happened to OBAMA'S plan to get SINGLE MOMS BACK TO SCHOOL??? They did all this to me AFTER he implemented this plan!!!! Should I contact my state Attorney Generals Office to file a complaint? Or go straight to OBAMA himself?! This is an OUTRAGE!!!


Submitted by on Tue, 02/16/2010 - 20:19

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I was being BILLED by BOTH Express Loans AND American Education Services. And each said I was to pay them! Furthermore, I woukd NOT have been able to receive ANY ADDITIONAL student loans and grants when I went BACK to school 3 MONTHS before they defaulted the loan.

So DO NOT call me a liar!


Submitted by on Thu, 02/18/2010 - 06:25

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was being BILLED by BOTH Express Loans AND American Education Services. And each said I was to pay them! Furthermore, I woukd NOT have been able to receive ANY ADDITIONAL student loans and grants when I went BACK to school 3 MONTHS before they defaulted the loan.

So DO NOT call me a liar!


well she didn't call you a liar,she just said that it wasn't 100%true.which it isn't....DO NOT put words in peoples mouths.


Submitted by paulmergel on Thu, 02/18/2010 - 06:50

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they are threatining to take me and my co-signer to court. they wont accept a payment plan option unless my co-signer agrees to apply for payment installments. I was hung up on by the agent and the supervisor was even a bigger jerk when I tried to tell him about how rudely I was treated. DCS said there's an acceleration claus in my loan that entitiles them to be jerks and demand full payment. how does the government approve of this?


Submitted by on Mon, 03/08/2010 - 11:11

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If you have have cosignor, then you have a private loan which is not a federal or government loans. Plus you and your cosignor DID agree to balance in full on demand upon default...this is standard with all student loans, federal and private. Did you read your loan agreement?

Private loans can and will take all parties to court and will sue as a regular course of business.


Submitted by SOAPLADY on Mon, 03/08/2010 - 13:49

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I got called by DCS for my wifes loan. She go the loan long before we ever met. I don't know what payments were made. But after we married we moved and she stopped working. Now this company has called my new job saying she put this number on some form. LIE! I didn't have this job when her credit problems started. Agent from DCS EXPECTED ME to PAY her loans...EVEn hinted it would effect MY CREDIT report. their tune changed when I pointed out it was her loan not mine. Watch out for these guys!


Submitted by on Mon, 03/08/2010 - 16:31

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dcsi is garnishing me and taking my taxes then they want me to rehab for 385 a month i dont make enough to even meet the requirements what can i do to help myself so i can pay that my bills take my entire check, then they take my taxes


Submitted by on Mon, 03/08/2010 - 17:21

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My student loan is in default with DCS. My Original loan was almost 2,000, less than what they are asking and I can't commit at this time to paying monthly payments for 9 years working a job where my hours can be cut at anytime. How horrible and only attended the school for 1 year. Is filing bankruptcy an option


Submitted by on Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:41

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i have a private loan and my co signer was contacted by dcs on 3/19/10.... after being hung up on that night by my rep and getting their vm on mon dcs and i went back and forth and the std that i only have 2 options: 1. settle for 10,000 2. pay 6,000 by 3/29/10 and 200 a month... i've tried to borrow the funds but of course no one will lend it to me i even tried bad credit loans.... now i just just don't know what to do.... i though my loan was in forebearance b/c i lost my job in 10/08 but aes std they never recvd the paper work... and i should've followed up, but thats the past... what do i do??? do i have any other options?? i'm willing to make monthly pymnts but they are saying these are my only options is that true??? Soap Lady i need help ASAP!!!!


Submitted by on Thu, 03/25/2010 - 20:15

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"My point is, it takes a LONG time of a loan to default. You messed up somewhere along the way. "

Not true (and somewhat condescending). Check your promissory note. You can be paid in full, but if you file for Bankruptcy (due to medical/whatever) they can "default" you as soon as you receive the final decree, without ever having "messed up".

There are a few other provisions these lenders may put in the original agreement, such as failure to inform them of an address change, etc.


Submitted by on Wed, 06/09/2010 - 04:37

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I just spoke with DCS Inc. Collection Agency for Citibank, today about my so called default student loan account balance of $1,500. I was told I needed to pay either 50%-$750 or 33%-$425 within 2 days. If I had that kind of money hanging around the house I would have pay my most important bills first. DCS Inc, never gave me the option to come up with money at all. I tried to explain what I can afford per month but was told that wouldn't be exceptable. I was threaten too that my loan was headed to the courts for further collection. I just read my rights as a consumer and I will definitely follow-up with my lawyer about this collection agency DCS Inc. I don't fell anyone at DCS Inc, has any sympathy or compassion to help those of us in need.


Trust me they don't have to take you to court it is government my bank got freezed they liened my whole account 42000.00 There was nothing I could do now they say if I send in proof they will refund the money after it is audited. I could have saved this from happening if I would have just got into a payment plan and sent in my proof but now my money to buy my home is gone


Submitted by on Thu, 06/10/2010 - 20:47

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i have somthing in collection right now with dcs and they took my tax return.....can they take my 401k withdrawl too???


It depends what it is state taxes they can garnish up to 100% of your wages student loans call them tell them you want to consolidate they will work with you


Submitted by on Thu, 06/10/2010 - 20:51

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I recieved a call from DCS....it was regarding my student loans. I advised them that I was out of work since June of 2009. I asked them if they would please keep in touch with me and as soon as I had a job I would be glad to get on the rehabilitation program. Well, I filed my taxes and every bit of it was taken....I only had to make payments of 120/mo for 9 months. That is like 1088.00. My tax return was well over that amount. How can they do that? Arent they only supposed to collect on what is owed or in default at the time? And i have not been able to get in touch with them since my tax return was taken. What can I do?


having your taxes taking is not voluntarily getting out of default. They will keep taking they taxes until you consolidate or rehab your loan


Submitted by on Thu, 06/10/2010 - 20:53

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Well as I see it right now I had my employer calculate up how much I am currently earning right now and i bring in about 550 a month, which is stupid of course that is why im telling you they can not garnish my wages. Honestly, as my dad would put it....I can not afford 50 a month, but I can afford 25 as long as i dont buy diapers, wipes, formula, etc... if they say that they can't take that low amount screw them because that is their problem then... On another note, I can just do what my mother stated... just not work period... lol as usually haven't been off maternity leave that long in the first place. Guess that is what I will have to do... go figure. Why don't they just take out of my OWF (ohio works first cash assistance that I am getting. On another note again. I did fax a Economic Hardship form the Great Lakes, as the site said even though my loan is at a creditor to go ahead and send it there, because that does state on there that they can not and will not take my wages if i am not full time and full time it said by federal standards is getting 30 hours per week and i only get less than 22 hours a week and i am considered part time. So this is bullshit. This government is going down hill and going down hill fast.

If you are really having that much of a hardship why don't you ask for consolidation take a full financial statement and see if you qualify to have your pymt waived if so they will send out you the app you have to get it back by the time they say though because it will expire and that will get you out of default quitting your job would be up to you but it will follow you since there is no statue of limitations you will owe it forever. And your taxes will continue to be taking until paid off but if you consolidate you will no longer be in default so you wont have to worry about any of that you can put it back into a deferment actually


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With consolidation, you will automatically be assigned to the ICR or income contingent repayment plan based on your taxable income You need to start taking responsiblity for what you borrowed....when you signed the prom note for the loan you agreed to balance in full in demand...diapers and forumula were not part of that agreement. You have the opportunity to get your loan out of default...grab it.


Submitted by SOAPLADY on Fri, 06/11/2010 - 18:12

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After reading this forum I was pretty scared to call DCS myself, but after a short talk with them I was hooked up to the Loan Rehabilitation process. As long as you are firm in what you want, but nice about it they WILL help you out. Remember they are looking for the money just as much as you are looking for a way out of the debt!


Submitted by on Wed, 06/16/2010 - 01:02

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I also got a call from this company. I had had a misunderstanding with a forbearance with Citibank, and DCS called me and said I had to pay the entire loan in less than 48 hours. She asked me what I was going to do, and I said I was going to call Citibank. She was very emphatic when she told me that there was no point in calling Citibank, as Citibank had "sold" them the debt so the debt was no longer with them, it was with DCS. I got off the phone without giving any of the info the lady wanted (including the approximate worth of my engagement ring!) and immediately called Citibank. The people at Citibank were more than willing to work with me, and the problem was cleared up within 10 minutes and a few hundred dollars (I also set up a auto-withdrawal of payments so this will never happen again!!). I am all up to date now with my student loans, and Citibank also said that they do not "sell" debt. My question is: why does DCS still call me? They call 3-4 times a day, and they refuse to listen when I tell them that I worked it out with Citibank, even though I have a confirmation number from Citibank indicating that I am no longer defaulting. Citibank assured me twice that they had contacted DCS and that I should no longer hear from them. They just called again while I was writing this! What should I do?


Submitted by on Thu, 07/01/2010 - 16:29

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Can they attack my husbands trust fund? He has a trust fund that was set up by his Grandparents that he gets a monthly check from. Can they go after that, even though the debt is only in my name and my name isn't anywhere on his trust fund?


They can not go after your huband's trust fund.As the loan is on your name and also he haven't co-signed/guarantor on the loan so legally he is not bound to pay the loan.:rose:


Submitted by manoj gopale on Thu, 07/01/2010 - 19:01

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DCS collections just called my babysitter and tried to make her give out information about me such as my work and there number and she wouldn't how are they allowed to call and harrass you at work that would make me lose my job completely and then no payment would be made are they really allowed to do this??


Submitted by on Mon, 08/02/2010 - 15:22

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Hey Soaplady,

I started my own thread but wonder if you might see it here first...

My employer just informed me that he received an 'Oder of Withholding from Earnings' from a federal student loan I have. I have gotten other notifications from the CA before, but did not receive the 30-day notice from them regarding wage garnishment.

I have a few questions...as I understand it, I can only get out of wage garnishment after 9 months, and that is with paying above and beyond the wage garnishment amount. That true? I am getting ready to call DCS to ask about loan rehabilitation, and crossing my fingers that they somehow decide to drop the wage garnishment, as it technically hasn't started yet.

Also, is there any recourse on my end that I can take considering I never received the 30-day notice? Can I appeal? I was planning on rehabbing a few months ago but had deaths in the family and life (although not an excuse) got in the way.

Would you say that offering direct deposit would help the situation? I've heard of people getting screwed by companies taking more money out per month than the agreed upon amount. From what I can find via researching this forum, there's no real paperwork that is signed regarding a rehabilitation. Is there any recourse on my end if they do take out more than the allotted amount?

Also, is it true that w/ loan rehab, I can have them remove the collections fees to the balance?

Lastly, once those 9 months are up and my loan is bought out, it is acceptable to ask for a new statement? From DCS or from the new company?


Submitted by on Thu, 08/12/2010 - 11:34

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DCS called me, and said that I would either be able to start this payment plan, Rehab or what have you, or My wages would hit a 15% deduction before taxes.
My questions are this:
Is there somewhere else I can call to check on this information before excepting a payment option?
My loan is very small, if after it has been handed over to a collection agency is there anyway I can deal with The Department of Education for payment options rather then the collection agency?
Is there anyway I can postpone the garnishing of my wages without going through a payment option of DCS?
Could the usage of telling me about the possibility of having my wages garnished be a scare tactic to opt me to start a payment option and have this fella collect some money from me?


Submitted by on Thu, 08/26/2010 - 18:02

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Garnishment is 15% of your disposable pay...your gross minus taxes and health insurance.

Once handed to a CA, the dept of ed will not work with you. You do not have that option.

Wage garnishment is not a scare tactic, it is a fact. No court order is required for administrative wage garnishment. So I suggest you get into repayment with them asap.


Submitted by SOAPLADY on Thu, 08/26/2010 - 18:06

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I have loans that total $10,000. I have had previous arrangements with this company. They say this is my last arrangement, but I have defaulted again. Simply because I cannot afford the $120.00 they want me to pay. I pay 400 in rent and 400 in daycare every month and all the usual, but these people say that I can still afford it. Which I say I can't, but that is the lowest I can pay. So they say. I could afford the $50.00 payment, so why wasn't I ever offered it? What should I do if I have defaulted again? I can't pay off the loan simply because I am a single mother that gets absolutely no child support or no public assistance. Why won't they negotiate with me?


Submitted by on Sun, 10/10/2010 - 19:57

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I owe on a student loan I know i owe and i want to pay and rehabilitate my loan within the 90 day period yada yada yda im on board BUT i never received an intial demand of payment letter (thats what they called it) and i before handing over a huge intial good faith payment would really like to know if this is a true company not if people agree with what they are doing or what i should do to avoid it because i owe the money i know people hate creditors they are just doing there job i am in default because i couldnt pay now im trying to find a way to pay someone said legally you dont have a leg to stand on and its true you dont you signed for the federal loan and now you owe it dont hate the person doing there job hate the fact your in the situation for whatever reason but buck up and find away to fix it they havent been unreasonable with me HOWEVER since they stated they had the wrong address oin file for me which i havent figured out how since the loan company has my correct one they should i never received any form of letter or paper stating they are infact a legit company PLEASE just let me know if they legit and they are a real collection agency thats really all im here for
THanks


Submitted by concerned1980 on Mon, 10/11/2010 - 07:04

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no its DCS and the lender isnt talking to us anymore they are just saying its been passed on to a collection agency we had to dig and dig to find out it was DCS were the ones who called to get the ball rolling. im not trying to avoid it i am trying to pay it i just wanted support from here that it was a real agency i did a google search and there are alot of alligations that ive found that they were a scam so im just looking to know if DCS is real and if so thats great and im going to pay im not complaining like the others on here or trying to find a way out i know its sserious and i want to pay im just covering all bases first that all.


Submitted by concerned1980 on Mon, 10/11/2010 - 08:27

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Your lender or your guarantor? The lender files a default claim against your guarantor...and I have never heard of a guarantor not giving the name and phone number of the CA.

A simple gioogle search will show that DCS is a Department of Education collection agency.. http://www2.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/DCS/collection.agencies.html


Submitted by SOAPLADY on Mon, 10/11/2010 - 08:32

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thank you for the site but ur being kind of rude i told u i did a google search and told u what i found so its noth that "simple" of a google search im not a dead beat who is trying to get out of something i thought this forum was for questions and answer with support. i was told word for word when i called the agency that i had my loans with and they stated"we have sent your account to collections you need to speak with them directly" i asked "okay who is it how can i contact them?" the lasy said "im sorry i dont have that information here for you" so ive done alot of homework and finally had to come here so pls dont talk down to me or tell me how i defaulted on a lona i know that im trying to fix it but got nervous with all the fraud alligations im starting to be sorry i asked a question


Submitted by concerned1980 on Mon, 10/11/2010 - 08:42

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If you cant handle me, how will you handle DCS? Sorry, but if you are a two time defaulter you know the ropes. I find it total BS that the agency would give you the phone number...if a rep had told me that I would have been asking for someone else...they have the info.


First off im not a 2 time defaulter ive never defaulted on anything in my life! this was an action out of my control and i CAN handle you i just think YOU need to understand that some people come on here for supportive adice on things not to get talked down to or for the Moderator to be rude! uyou moderating the room but whose is moderating your post and responses ive read your posts and they are all answered in a to bad for you your scum im going to talk down to you tone im probably the ONLY person on this thread thats not complainging that i do indeed OWE this loan and i do intend to FULLY pay my loan i came here for an answer you answered it to me and questioned my truthfullness to my post why would i lie i dont know you people so WHY lie? thats what took place you can believe what you want to believe but HUNNY you will not talk down to me in any thread what makes you better that you can be so snippy in your answers to everyone? yea the people saying there just not going to work so wages wont be garnished is the stupidest thing ive heard and there is more on here that could be mind boggling to think this is what people think

then you have me posting a question of DCS being Fake or fraud and im sorry miss i know everything i but i didnt find it when i googled NOR is it apart of the BBB and your rude to me calling me a 2 time defaulter and stupid childish things

and by the way i dont need to "handle" the collection agency i intend to pay and have had great reps answering questions i just wanted a definite yes they are legit or no they are not not your rudeness


Submitted by concerned1980 on Mon, 10/11/2010 - 09:35

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She asked you to check with your guarantor, not your lender - so you misunderstood. There's no reason to start attacking people. SoapLady knows pretty much anything you could want to know about student loans so, if you're telling her something that's out of the ordinary or that she's never heard of happening, she's likely going to comment on it. It doesn't mean it's an accusation. Let's put the fangs away and calm down.


Submitted by OhioGal1 on Mon, 10/11/2010 - 09:48

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She asked you to check with your guarantor, not your lender - so you misunderstood. There's no reason to start attacking people. SoapLady knows pretty much anything you could want to know about student loans so, if you're telling her something that's out of the ordinary or that she's never heard of happening, she's likely going to comment on it. It doesn't mean it's an accusation. Let's put the fangs away and calm down.



first off i checked with lender and guarantor

what are u soapladys biggest fan or something? thats great she has so much knowledge on the subject but there is no reason for her to be rude to people and ive read all the comments to see if they could help my situation and i found her to be very rude and to talk down to people if you like that then thats your life but i dont let people talk down to me and be rude telling me i know the ropes its rude and i dont know the ropes ive never defaulted on anything hence seeking advice but it was endly advice i was looking for not rude


Submitted by concerned1980 on Mon, 10/11/2010 - 09:55

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