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Repo lawsuit and Attached Wages

Date: Thu, 10/11/2007 - 14:24

Submitted by buzz4infinity
on Thu, 10/11/2007 - 14:24

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Ok so here is the deal. Just got a phone call from an attorney back east who said his firm bought out an old debt of mine. I asked what he was talking about and he said for Drivetime and auto finance company I had purchased a vehicle through 5-6 years ago. About a year ago my vehicle was repossessed and my wife and I could not afford to get it out before it went to auction. The attorney told me that I still owe #3387.79 on the vehicle but they will be filling a court case tomorrow and the attorneys fees will be added to my total making it $5597.00. He also informed me that he had verified my employment telling me my employers name (which tomorrow is my last day anyway, but I did not tell him that. I am going to a new company) and they will be suing to attach my wages for up to 25%. I asked should I have received any type of letters in the mail or anything like that about what I still owed and he said he is sure I was sent things. I told him I had NEVER received anything or I would have tried to make arrangements to pay the debt. He asked if I had moved and I said yes 5 months ago but all my mail gets forwarded. He said it most likely got lost in the mail then. I said I doubt that would happen because I still receive all the other mail I normally got at the old location so why would I just not get their correspondence. I asked would I have not had to sign something certified or the like and he said I will when the law serves me my papers on this law suit.
He then said that if I can come up with $2500 he will sow my account PIF as long as he received a check by phone or credit card number by NOON tomorrow (yea not possible).

So I called the wife and informed her of just how our life was getting better financially with better paying jobs we ere once again screwed. She pondered on bankruptcy to clear maybe this as well as credit cards we have as well as a house repo. But we were not sure if that was the way to go.

Any suggestions on what we can do legally or what the best route to take is. We are in California.


no they said they were going to fill it tommorrow. What is a DV letter? Sorry new to this. I did find info by reverse tracing the number the guy gave me of 800-459-1223. it took me to this website http://www.budhibbs.com/debtcollectorpages/evans_law_offices_cmts.htm maybe they are just scare tactics but if they are it worked...


lrhall41

Submitted by buzz4infinity on Thu, 10/11/2007 - 14:47

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Bud Hibbs fights illegal collection agencies!! His site has lots of useful information, did u read it?
A dv letter is a debt validation letter, u can find a sample letter here on this site under do it yourself section. U will need to reword it to fit ur needs. I'd send that out first thing tomorrow morning and ask them to prove to u that they do indeed own this debt! Also, did u get the name of this atty??
I'm gonna go check out what bud hibbs has to say and i'll be back to see what i find out for ya.
Don't get ur bk atty yet! ;)
Be back in a min after i read this,
Ang


lrhall41

Submitted by Ang on Thu, 10/11/2007 - 14:59

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yea still, think i am going to pull my credit report when i get home to see wha tit says is still owed on the truck on there. I read all the posts on the website and it sounds like that attornies office is a crack head collection agency. I am going to fax them the DV letter tommorrow. What are the chances they can really attach my wages seeing i offered to set up payments?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Thu, 10/11/2007 - 16:06

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SO FUNNY!!

So my wife just called me. The same guy called her cell phone (dont know how they got her number) and started the message with "Hi we are attornies looking for Mike ***** and we hope you are his wife...this matter regards a legal matter that he is goingt o be sued for ......" not sure of the rest she saved so I can listen to it when i get home. Glad it was my wife and not someone else.


lrhall41

Submitted by buzz4infinity on Thu, 10/11/2007 - 16:26

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If they are a collection agency then that message is a violation.

When a car is repoed, voluntary or not then you owe the remaining difference after the car is resold.

The bankrupcy laws have changed so much. If you fee; that your debt outweighs what you would make in a year then it may be the best opinion for you.

BTW, a collection agency can not make a threat that it isn't going to follow through with.


lrhall41

Submitted by FYI on Thu, 10/11/2007 - 16:42

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Lawyer working for a collection agency is covered under Fdcpa except when he is strictly litigating. A lawyer working for a oc would only be covered under Fdcpa if he intends to collect instead of going thru the courts.I am enclosing a article from Edleman law firm.This is a consumer law firm who sue on a regular basis.

Quote:

Lawyers were originally excluded from the definition of "debt collector." In 1986,
Congress removed the attorney exemption. See P.L. 99-361, 100 Stat. 768, deleting former 15
U.S.C. ????1692a(6)(F), which excluded from the definition of "debt collector" "any attorney-at-law
collecting a debt as an attorney on behalf of and in the name of a client."
Now, the "FDCPA does apply to a lawyer . . . with a general practice including a
minor but regular practice in debt collection." Crossley v. Lieberman, 90 B.R. 682, 694
(E.D.Pa. 1988), aff'd, 868 F.2d 566 (3d Cir. 1989). The legislative history of the amendment
states that collection attorneys were not being effectively policed by the legal profession and
courts, and that the removal of the exemption was necessary to "put a stop to the abusive and
harassing tactics of attorney debt collectors." 1986 USCCAN 1756-57.
In Heintz v. Jenkins, 514 U.S. 291 (1995), the United States Supreme Court held
that litigation conduct of attorneys in collecting consumer debts is not exempt from the FDCPA,
rejecting the arguments of the collection bar to the contrary. Unlawful conduct by collection
attorneys in court proceedings is now covered, assuming that there is no Rooker-Feldman or res
judicata bar. Watkins v. Peterson Enterprises, Inc., 57 F.Supp.2d 1102 (E.D.Wash. 1999)
(unauthorized costs in connection with state court garnishments). However, some judges are
nevertheless still reluctant to find violations based on the contents of pleadings. Argentieri v.
Fisher Landscapes, Inc., 15 F.Supp.2d 55 (D. Mass. 1998). The court retreated from this position
on a motion to reconsider, stating that "I do not suggest here that claims filed in court could not, if
intended to harass a debtor, be actionable under the FDCPA." Argentieri v. Fisher Landscapes,
Inc., 27 F.Supp.2d 84 (D. Mass. 1998). Contra, Strange v. Wexler, 796 F.Supp. 1117, 1118 (N.D.
Ill. 1992).
The amount of collection activity necessary to make a lawyer a "debt collector" --
one who "regularly" collects consumer debts -- is minimal. Goldstein v. Hutton, Ingram, Yuzek,
Gainen, Carroll & Bertollotti, 374 F.3d 56 (2d Cir. 2004) (trier of fact could find law firm was
subject to FDCPA based on 145 demands during one year even though attorney only received $
5,000 in revenues amounting to 0.05% of its $ 10,000,000 revenue over that period). The
Goldstein court considered relevant ???????(1) the absolute number of debt collection communications
issued, and/or collection-related litigation matters pursued, over the relevant period(s), (2) the
frequency of such communications and/or litigation activity, including whether any patterns of
such activity are discernable, (3) whether the entity has personnel specifically assigned to work
on debt collection activity, (4) whether the entity has systems or contractors in place to facilitate
such activity, such as use of mailing services, collection software, and use of form letters, and (5)
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whether the activity is undertaken in connection with ongoing client relationships with entities
that have retained the lawyer or firm to assist in the collection of outstanding consumer debt
obligations???????, as well as (6) ???????whether the law practice seeks debt collection business by marketing
itself as having debt collection expertise???????. Factor (5) includes relationships with collection
agencies, ???????lenders or other creditors, landlords or other lessors, and service providers ???????.
In Oppong v. First Union Mortgage Corp., 02-2149, 2006 U.S.Dist. LEXIS 37551
(E.D.Pa. Dec. 29, 2005), the court held that ???????debt collectors are those who frequently and
consistent perform debt collection activities as part of their business services,??????? regardless of ???????the
percentage of debt collection business in relation to the defendant????????s other business,??????? so that
acquiring 89 delinquent mortgages within 3 months (356 per year) resulted in ???????regularly???????
collecting delinquent debts regardless of the fact that 141,000 were acquired that were not
delinquent. The percentage of collection activity was relevant under the ???????principal purpose??????? part
of the test.
A law firm's debt collection work which amounted to less than 4% of its total
business brought it within the definition. "While the ratio of debt collection to other efforts may
be small, the actual volume is sufficient to bring defendant under the Act's definition of 'debt
collector.'" Stojanovski v. Strobl & Manoogian, P.C., 783 F.Supp. 319, 322 (E.D.Mich. 1992).
An attorney who represented four collection agencies, filed over 150 collection suits in a two-year
period, and sent one particular collection letter over 125 times in a 14-month period was a debt
collector even though debt collection was merely incidental to his primary law practice. Cacace
v. Lucas, 775 F.Supp. 502 (D.Conn. 1990). Another decision holds that sending 60 collection
letters during a period of several weeks is sufficient. Tragianese v. Blackmon, 993 F.Supp. 96 (D.
Conn. 1997). On the other hand, an attorney who collected less than 20 consumer debts in a 10-
year period was not a debt collector. Mertes v. Devitt, 734 F.Supp. 872 (W.D.Wis. 1990).
In two questionable decisions, courts held that a nascent collection lawyer who
sent out about two dozen or three dozen letters at one time was not engaged in regular debt
collection. Mladenovich v. Cannonito, 97 C 4729, 1998 WL 42281,1998 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 985
(N.D. Ill., Jan. 29, 1998) (two dozen); White v. Simonson & Cohen, 23 F.Supp.2d 273 (E.D.N.Y.
1998) (35 letters sent on one occasion not enough).
A lawyer should be classified as a "debt collector" if either a volume threshold or a
percentage-of-time threshold is met, or if the lawyer holds himself out as engaging in consumer
debt collection. A volume threshold is necessary because a law firm that handles a modest
number of consumer collection matters as part of providing a full range of services to its clients
should be required to comply with the FDCPA. One court has held that "It is the volume of the
attorney's debt collection efforts that is dispositive, not the percentage such efforts amount to in
the attorney's practice." Stojanovski v. Strobl & Manoogian, P.C., 783 F.Supp. 319, 322
(E.D.Mich. 1992), citing Cacace v. Lucas, 775 F.Supp. 502, 504 (D.Conn. 1990); In re Littles, 90
Bankr. 669, 676 (Bankr. E.D. Pa. 1988), aff'd as modified sub nom., Crossley v. Lieberman, 90
Bankr. 682 (E.D. Pa. 1988), aff'd, 868 F.2d 566 (3d Cir. 1989). But see Hartl v. Presbrey &
Assoc., 95 C 4728, 1996 WL 529339, 1996 U.S.Dist. LEXIS 13419 (N.D.Ill., Sep. 16, 1996);
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Nance v. Petty, Livingston, Dawson & Devening, 881 F.Supp. 223 (W.D.Va. 1994). The Fifth
Circuit has held that a law firm that sent out 600 demand letters was a "debt collector"
notwithstanding the fact that only a small fraction of its time was spent in that activity. Garrett
v. Derbes, 110 F.3d 317 (5th Cir. 1997).
A percentage threshold and a "holding out" test are also necessary because the
FDCPA should apply to (i) a lawyer with a nascent collection practice and (ii) a lawyer who
attempts to obtain collection business, even if he is not successful in obtaining very much of it.


lrhall41

Submitted by cajunbulldog on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 07:47

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yea starting at 8am this morning i have received 5 calls from the same guy saying I need to hurry cause the lawyers are about to file so I must call back right away. Just got to work where i can fax over the DV letter and cease and desist letter. I have the DV Letter does anyone have a copy of the cease and desist letter?


lrhall41

Submitted by buzz4infinity on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 11:22

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yea i figured what office would call that many times to try to settle before goign to court. if it was me on the other end i was said F*** the guy we want to sue and just see him in court. Faxing as soon as i do the form, will keep you posted, thank you so much for your help. I love this site and will be here till the day i die.


lrhall41

Submitted by buzz4infinity on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 11:46

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YVW and check ur PM's, i sent u one before posting this! U also need to send this return reciept requested after u fax it!! That's VERY important!
ANd plz know that after u send the cease letter they can still contact u ONE more time!
Then hopefully it will stop!
Much luck,
Ang


lrhall41

Submitted by Ang on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 11:56

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OK both letters faxed and just dropped off nex door to my work at the post office for a 4pm pick up. Sent certified mail with Return receipt. Now lets wait and see what happens.

On a side note i signed up for true credit and it shoes my drivetime account at a ZERO balance and there is no collection amount on my record for that amount or anywhere near the amount they stated on $3387.79


lrhall41

Submitted by buzz4infinity on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 13:18

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Sounds to me like they are trying to scare you into paying quickly. Sending the DV was the best thing you could have done. Even if they do sue, you can show the judge that you requested validation and they did not provide it. And you do have that recording and that is a violation so just keep tallying up the violations and you have some teeth to fight back with.

I think the zero balance might be the original creditor (the place you got the car from) and they may have charged it off, does it say 'charge off' or 'sold'?


lrhall41

Submitted by goldenbast on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 15:19

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I am going thru the same thing.. they call my job and it is driving me crazy


lrhall41

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