Repo lawsuit and Attached Wages
Date: Thu, 10/11/2007 - 14:24
He then said that if I can come up with $2500 he will sow my account PIF as long as he received a check by phone or credit card number by NOON tomorrow (yea not possible).
So I called the wife and informed her of just how our life was getting better financially with better paying jobs we ere once again screwed. She pondered on bankruptcy to clear maybe this as well as credit cards we have as well as a house repo. But we were not sure if that was the way to go.
Any suggestions on what we can do legally or what the best route to take is. We are in California.
First of all has the suit actually been filed yet?? Or is he sa
First of all has the suit actually been filed yet?? Or is he saying they "will" file suit?? First thing i'd do is send them a dv letter and make them validate this debt!
Ang
no they said they were going to fill it tommorrow. What is a DV
no they said they were going to fill it tommorrow. What is a DV letter? Sorry new to this. I did find info by reverse tracing the number the guy gave me of 800-459-1223. it took me to this website http://www.budhibbs.com/debtcollectorpages/evans_law_offices_cmts.htm maybe they are just scare tactics but if they are it worked...
Bud Hibbs fights illegal collection agencies!! His site has lots
Bud Hibbs fights illegal collection agencies!! His site has lots of useful information, did u read it?
A dv letter is a debt validation letter, u can find a sample letter here on this site under do it yourself section. U will need to reword it to fit ur needs. I'd send that out first thing tomorrow morning and ask them to prove to u that they do indeed own this debt! Also, did u get the name of this atty??
I'm gonna go check out what bud hibbs has to say and i'll be back to see what i find out for ya.
Don't get ur bk atty yet! ;)
Be back in a min after i read this,
Ang
Did u read what Bud Hibbs site had to say? It's very interestin
Did u read what Bud Hibbs site had to say? It's very interesting and sounds like this atty buy a lot of old junk debt. Ok u said this was 5 or 6 years ago, what state? The SOL might be up on this debt!
Ang
Ahh sorry just re-read ur original post and the car was repo'ed
Ahh sorry just re-read ur original post and the car was repo'ed a year ago, still in SOL...
Sorry for misunderstanding,
Ang
yea still, think i am going to pull my credit report when i get
yea still, think i am going to pull my credit report when i get home to see wha tit says is still owed on the truck on there. I read all the posts on the website and it sounds like that attornies office is a crack head collection agency. I am going to fax them the DV letter tommorrow. What are the chances they can really attach my wages seeing i offered to set up payments?
Well before they can attach ur wages they must get a judgement a
Well before they can attach ur wages they must get a judgement against u in court. So it won't happen over night.
U need to get that dv letter faxed over but i'd also send it USPS return reciept requested also.
Good Luck to ya,
Ang
ok thank you for your help and I will et you know what happens.
ok thank you for your help and I will et you know what happens. I am sure they will call me tommorrow to see if i cam going to settle or not. And when the get my DV letter
SO FUNNY!! So my wife just called me. The same guy called her
SO FUNNY!!
So my wife just called me. The same guy called her cell phone (dont know how they got her number) and started the message with "Hi we are attornies looking for Mike ***** and we hope you are his wife...this matter regards a legal matter that he is goingt o be sued for ......" not sure of the rest she saved so I can listen to it when i get home. Glad it was my wife and not someone else.
Hummmm if i'm not mistaken Mike, that is TOTALLY illegal!! keep
Hummmm if i'm not mistaken Mike, that is TOTALLY illegal!!
keep that message!!!!! DO NOT DELETE IT!
THis is a violation! ($1,000 viloation)
:D
Ang
P.S. In ur dv letter also send a cease and desist!
If they are a collection agency then that message is a violation
If they are a collection agency then that message is a violation.
When a car is repoed, voluntary or not then you owe the remaining difference after the car is resold.
The bankrupcy laws have changed so much. If you fee; that your debt outweighs what you would make in a year then it may be the best opinion for you.
BTW, a collection agency can not make a threat that it isn't going to follow through with.
If it's a lawyer hired by the collection agency to sue, is it st
If it's a lawyer hired by the collection agency to sue, is it still a violation?
Lawyer working for a collection agency is covered under Fdcpa ex
Lawyer working for a collection agency is covered under Fdcpa except when he is strictly litigating. A lawyer working for a oc would only be covered under Fdcpa if he intends to collect instead of going thru the courts.I am enclosing a article from Edleman law firm.This is a consumer law firm who sue on a regular basis.
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Lawyers were originally excluded from the definition of "debt collector." In 1986, Congress removed the attorney exemption. See P.L. 99-361, 100 Stat. 768, deleting former 15 U.S.C. ????1692a(6)(F), which excluded from the definition of "debt collector" "any attorney-at-law collecting a debt as an attorney on behalf of and in the name of a client." Now, the "FDCPA does apply to a lawyer . . . with a general practice including a minor but regular practice in debt collection." Crossley v. Lieberman, 90 B.R. 682, 694 (E.D.Pa. 1988), aff'd, 868 F.2d 566 (3d Cir. 1989). The legislative history of the amendment states that collection attorneys were not being effectively policed by the legal profession and courts, and that the removal of the exemption was necessary to "put a stop to the abusive and harassing tactics of attorney debt collectors." 1986 USCCAN 1756-57. In Heintz v. Jenkins, 514 U.S. 291 (1995), the United States Supreme Court held that litigation conduct of attorneys in collecting consumer debts is not exempt from the FDCPA, rejecting the arguments of the collection bar to the contrary. Unlawful conduct by collection attorneys in court proceedings is now covered, assuming that there is no Rooker-Feldman or res judicata bar. Watkins v. Peterson Enterprises, Inc., 57 F.Supp.2d 1102 (E.D.Wash. 1999) (unauthorized costs in connection with state court garnishments). However, some judges are nevertheless still reluctant to find violations based on the contents of pleadings. Argentieri v. Fisher Landscapes, Inc., 15 F.Supp.2d 55 (D. Mass. 1998). The court retreated from this position on a motion to reconsider, stating that "I do not suggest here that claims filed in court could not, if intended to harass a debtor, be actionable under the FDCPA." Argentieri v. Fisher Landscapes, Inc., 27 F.Supp.2d 84 (D. Mass. 1998). Contra, Strange v. Wexler, 796 F.Supp. 1117, 1118 (N.D. Ill. 1992). The amount of collection activity necessary to make a lawyer a "debt collector" -- one who "regularly" collects consumer debts -- is minimal. Goldstein v. Hutton, Ingram, Yuzek, Gainen, Carroll & Bertollotti, 374 F.3d 56 (2d Cir. 2004) (trier of fact could find law firm was subject to FDCPA based on 145 demands during one year even though attorney only received $ 5,000 in revenues amounting to 0.05% of its $ 10,000,000 revenue over that period). The Goldstein court considered relevant ???????(1) the absolute number of debt collection communications issued, and/or collection-related litigation matters pursued, over the relevant period(s), (2) the frequency of such communications and/or litigation activity, including whether any patterns of such activity are discernable, (3) whether the entity has personnel specifically assigned to work on debt collection activity, (4) whether the entity has systems or contractors in place to facilitate such activity, such as use of mailing services, collection software, and use of form letters, and (5) 10 whether the activity is undertaken in connection with ongoing client relationships with entities that have retained the lawyer or firm to assist in the collection of outstanding consumer debt obligations???????, as well as (6) ???????whether the law practice seeks debt collection business by marketing itself as having debt collection expertise???????. Factor (5) includes relationships with collection agencies, ???????lenders or other creditors, landlords or other lessors, and service providers ???????. In Oppong v. First Union Mortgage Corp., 02-2149, 2006 U.S.Dist. LEXIS 37551 (E.D.Pa. Dec. 29, 2005), the court held that ???????debt collectors are those who frequently and consistent perform debt collection activities as part of their business services,??????? regardless of ???????the percentage of debt collection business in relation to the defendant????????s other business,??????? so that acquiring 89 delinquent mortgages within 3 months (356 per year) resulted in ???????regularly??????? collecting delinquent debts regardless of the fact that 141,000 were acquired that were not delinquent. The percentage of collection activity was relevant under the ???????principal purpose??????? part of the test. A law firm's debt collection work which amounted to less than 4% of its total business brought it within the definition. "While the ratio of debt collection to other efforts may be small, the actual volume is sufficient to bring defendant under the Act's definition of 'debt collector.'" Stojanovski v. Strobl & Manoogian, P.C., 783 F.Supp. 319, 322 (E.D.Mich. 1992). An attorney who represented four collection agencies, filed over 150 collection suits in a two-year period, and sent one particular collection letter over 125 times in a 14-month period was a debt collector even though debt collection was merely incidental to his primary law practice. Cacace v. Lucas, 775 F.Supp. 502 (D.Conn. 1990). Another decision holds that sending 60 collection letters during a period of several weeks is sufficient. Tragianese v. Blackmon, 993 F.Supp. 96 (D. Conn. 1997). On the other hand, an attorney who collected less than 20 consumer debts in a 10- year period was not a debt collector. Mertes v. Devitt, 734 F.Supp. 872 (W.D.Wis. 1990). In two questionable decisions, courts held that a nascent collection lawyer who sent out about two dozen or three dozen letters at one time was not engaged in regular debt collection. Mladenovich v. Cannonito, 97 C 4729, 1998 WL 42281,1998 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 985 (N.D. Ill., Jan. 29, 1998) (two dozen); White v. Simonson & Cohen, 23 F.Supp.2d 273 (E.D.N.Y. 1998) (35 letters sent on one occasion not enough). A lawyer should be classified as a "debt collector" if either a volume threshold or a percentage-of-time threshold is met, or if the lawyer holds himself out as engaging in consumer debt collection. A volume threshold is necessary because a law firm that handles a modest number of consumer collection matters as part of providing a full range of services to its clients should be required to comply with the FDCPA. One court has held that "It is the volume of the attorney's debt collection efforts that is dispositive, not the percentage such efforts amount to in the attorney's practice." Stojanovski v. Strobl & Manoogian, P.C., 783 F.Supp. 319, 322 (E.D.Mich. 1992), citing Cacace v. Lucas, 775 F.Supp. 502, 504 (D.Conn. 1990); In re Littles, 90 Bankr. 669, 676 (Bankr. E.D. Pa. 1988), aff'd as modified sub nom., Crossley v. Lieberman, 90 Bankr. 682 (E.D. Pa. 1988), aff'd, 868 F.2d 566 (3d Cir. 1989). But see Hartl v. Presbrey & Assoc., 95 C 4728, 1996 WL 529339, 1996 U.S.Dist. LEXIS 13419 (N.D.Ill., Sep. 16, 1996); 11 Nance v. Petty, Livingston, Dawson & Devening, 881 F.Supp. 223 (W.D.Va. 1994). The Fifth Circuit has held that a law firm that sent out 600 demand letters was a "debt collector" notwithstanding the fact that only a small fraction of its time was spent in that activity. Garrett v. Derbes, 110 F.3d 317 (5th Cir. 1997). A percentage threshold and a "holding out" test are also necessary because the FDCPA should apply to (i) a lawyer with a nascent collection practice and (ii) a lawyer who attempts to obtain collection business, even if he is not successful in obtaining very much of it. |
Please note that this explanation also carries case law citation
Please note that this explanation also carries case law citations to prove the law.
yea starting at 8am this morning i have received 5 calls from th
yea starting at 8am this morning i have received 5 calls from the same guy saying I need to hurry cause the lawyers are about to file so I must call back right away. Just got to work where i can fax over the DV letter and cease and desist letter. I have the DV Letter does anyone have a copy of the cease and desist letter?
lol they just called me on thier normal number 716-446-1070 and
lol they just called me on thier normal number 716-446-1070 and it was an automated female message saying i really need to call them about an important finacial matter
Here ya go buzz... http://www.budhibbs.com/cease_comm.htm Also
Here ya go buzz... http://www.budhibbs.com/cease_comm.htm
Also at the end his has put his "own" mini miranda, u can chose to use it or not, up to u! Makes me LOL!
Ang
P.S. Sure seems they're desparate to get u to pay today huh? I think they're trying to scare u into paying it!
yea i figured what office would call that many times to try to s
yea i figured what office would call that many times to try to settle before goign to court. if it was me on the other end i was said F*** the guy we want to sue and just see him in court. Faxing as soon as i do the form, will keep you posted, thank you so much for your help. I love this site and will be here till the day i die.
YVW and check ur PM's, i sent u one before posting this! U also
YVW and check ur PM's, i sent u one before posting this! U also need to send this return reciept requested after u fax it!! That's VERY important!
ANd plz know that after u send the cease letter they can still contact u ONE more time!
Then hopefully it will stop!
Much luck,
Ang
OK both letters faxed and just dropped off nex door to my work a
OK both letters faxed and just dropped off nex door to my work at the post office for a 4pm pick up. Sent certified mail with Return receipt. Now lets wait and see what happens.
On a side note i signed up for true credit and it shoes my drivetime account at a ZERO balance and there is no collection amount on my record for that amount or anywhere near the amount they stated on $3387.79
Sounds to me like they are trying to scare you into paying quick
Sounds to me like they are trying to scare you into paying quickly. Sending the DV was the best thing you could have done. Even if they do sue, you can show the judge that you requested validation and they did not provide it. And you do have that recording and that is a violation so just keep tallying up the violations and you have some teeth to fight back with.
I think the zero balance might be the original creditor (the place you got the car from) and they may have charged it off, does it say 'charge off' or 'sold'?
Transferred or sold with a zero balance means original creditor
Transferred or sold with a zero balance means original creditor no longer owns the account.
If you have a judgement to an ex landlord and they are threating
If you have a judgement to an ex landlord and they are threating you that you have 7 days to pay up or else. What are my legal rights and how do I keep from getting my wages attached?