Portfolio Recovery Assoc. - debt validation
Date: Mon, 06/07/2010 - 06:56
Is this good enough??? Where are my 12 months statements and signed agreement? I have until 6/16 to dispute. What should be by next step?
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Quote:Originally Posted by OZZIE69My Capital One charged off and
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Originally Posted by OZZIE69 My Capital One charged off and is now with Portfolio Associates. I sent debt validation letter and received letter from them stating they bought and received electronic file from Captial One. The listed my name, last 4 of account number and amount of debt. Is this good enough??? Where are my 12 months statements and signed agreement? I have until 6/16 to dispute. What should be by next step? Thanks |
no that is not good enough.you need to have something with your signature on it.the fact they stated they bought the debt is proof they can't validate.they could get that info from your credit report.re-send the letter stating that is not validation by any stretch.
I thought so Paul. What should be my next step. Send another let
I thought so Paul. What should be my next step. Send another letter stating need more information?
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Just seen you message in last sentence. So send a letter stating that the information they sent was not even close to validating debt?
Quote:Originally Posted by OZZIE69I thought so Paul. What should
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Originally Posted by OZZIE69 I thought so Paul. What should be my next step. Send another letter stating need more information? Thanks Just seen you message in last sentence. So send a letter stating that the information they sent was not even close to validating debt? |
exactly right ozzie.these places think they can buffalo people.re-send your DV letter with an addition stating you don't consider that validation at all.
Quote:Originally Posted by OZZIE69Thanks again Paul. my pleasu
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Originally Posted by OZZIE69 Thanks again Paul. |
my pleasure ozzie.:grin:
I sent them 2nd dv stating that debt has not been validated. Th
I sent them 2nd dv stating that debt has not been validated. They received and signed for letter. Now they are calling me. I thought collections had to cease until debt is validated??
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Did the letter actually use the word "bought" or "purchased"? O
Did the letter actually use the word "bought" or "purchased"? Or assigned? As a general rule, Cap One doesnt sell accounts, particually right after charge off.
Letter say's "Proceeds were sold, assigned and transferred by th
Letter say's "Proceeds were sold, assigned and transferred by the Seller to Portfolio Recovery. At the time of the sale, the Seller provided an electronic file of its business records concerning this account. According to Seller's records, there was due and payable......."
ok...you been charged off for awhile? Yeah...I would demand a c
ok...you been charged off for awhile?
Yeah...I would demand a copy of the signed cardholder agreement.
The FDCPA does permit them one call to inform you of further action. I would suggest talking to them....if they dunn you for payment, remind them then they are in violation of the fdcpa for not properly validating the debt.
Received letter today in regards to my 2nd dv attempt. In 2nd l
Received letter today in regards to my 2nd dv attempt. In 2nd letter I said they still have not validated debt and here is there response.
"I am writing in response to your recent dispute.
However, since you have submitted a dispute that is substantially the same as a dispute previously submitted by you and we have already responded to this dispute, then as per the Fair Credit Reporting Act, we are notifying you that such dispute is frivolous or irrelevant.
If we continue to receive subsequent correspondence from you regarding a dispute that has already been resolved, we will consider your inquiry answered. No further replies will be forthcoming unless you porvide the information we need to assist you. Our office considers this matter closed."
Again, dv from them consisted of statement saying we bought and received electronic file from Captial One.
What is my next step. Send new letter asking for signed cardholder agreement and/or that I elect arbitration?
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Quote:Originally Posted by OZZIE69Bumped for Paul M. yes deman
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Originally Posted by OZZIE69 Bumped for Paul M. |
yes demand the signed agreement,and re-state just saying you owe doesn't mean you owe,and that you are looking into your legal options as they are continuing collection activity without properly validating.
Well I sent 2nd dv letter stating what they sent me was not good
Well I sent 2nd dv letter stating what they sent me was not good enough. Today I get same canned letter saying that my dispute is frivolous or irrelevant and has been resolved. What should be my next step? I know Cap1 had an arbitration clause and I think I will send letter saying I elect arbitration.
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Quote:Originally Posted by OZZIE69Well I sent 2nd dv letter stat
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Originally Posted by OZZIE69 Well I sent 2nd dv letter stating what they sent me was not good enough. Today I get same canned letter saying that my dispute is frivolous or irrelevant and has been resolved. What should be my next step? I know Cap1 had an arbitration clause and I think I will send letter saying I elect arbitration. Thanks |
i would look at that clause.it might not apply if portfolio bought the debt as it may not be transferable.look into that.you might want to start looking into a lawsuit yourself as portfolio never validated,and therefore shouldn't be still attempting collections.
Ozzie, I have 3 Capital One accounts. If you don't mind, can
Ozzie,
I have 3 Capital One accounts. If you don't mind, can you give me an idea of how late you were when they sold your account and how much you owed. I just want to hear some situations so I can be aware of what I might expect in the future.
I owe $5,500 and were sold at approx. 7th month after non paymen
I owe $5,500 and were sold at approx. 7th month after non payment. I was somewhat surprised how fast it happened.
Paul here is my follow up letter to Portfolio. I do not believ
Paul here is my follow up letter to Portfolio.
I do not believe that I owe this debt and therefore I dispute this account. I have asked several times for documentation from you in order to resolve this matter but you have yet to send the information requested. Therefore, I am now closing my files. Do not contact me again.
What do you think??
Quote:Originally Posted by OZZIE69Paul here is my follow up lett
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Originally Posted by OZZIE69 Paul here is my follow up letter to Portfolio. I do not believe that I owe this debt and therefore I dispute this account. I have asked several times for documentation from you in order to resolve this matter but you have yet to send the information requested. Therefore, I am now closing my files. Do not contact me again. What do you think?? |
i take it there is no clause stating the arbitration is transferable?if so then send that letter.
Quote:Originally Posted by paulmergeli take it there is no claus
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Originally Posted by paulmergel i take it there is no clause stating the arbitration is transferable?if so then send that letter. |
I did not look up arbitration clause but have been told on other boards that if Portfolio bought contract/debt they also bought arbitraiton clause.
I will investigate further.
Also, Michigan Fair Debt Collection Laws say verification of the debt or any disputed portion of debt shall include the number and amount of previously made payments and the name and address of original creditor. Should I add this to my above response??
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Quote:Originally Posted by OZZIE69I did not look up arbitration
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Originally Posted by OZZIE69 I did not look up arbitration clause but have been told on other boards that if Portfolio bought contract/debt they also bought arbitraiton clause. I will investigate further. Also, Michigan Fair Debt Collection Laws say verification of the debt or any disputed portion of debt shall include the number and amount of previously made payments and the name and address of original creditor. Should I add this to my above response?? Thanks |
oh yes.mention that definitely.also do look into the clause.if it doesn't state it's transferable.then it's not.
Paul, I read Crap1 contract on arbitration and does not say anyt
Paul, I read Crap1 contract on arbitration and does not say anything about tranferable. Whoever, I have been told by several other good sources that if Portfolio bought my account they also bought the arbitration clause.
I think I will add to my dispute letter that "I elect arbitration per contract".
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Quote:Originally Posted by paulmergeloh yes.mention that definit
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Originally Posted by paulmergel oh yes.mention that definitely.also do look into the clause.if it doesn't state it's transferable.then it's not. |
Paul,
It was suggested that I don't state MI law since they are collecting here they should know the law. What are your thoughts?? Thanks
Quote:Originally Posted by OZZIE69Paul, It was suggested that
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Originally Posted by OZZIE69 Paul, It was suggested that I don't state MI law since they are collecting here they should know the law. What are your thoughts?? Thanks |
sorry,but a bottomfeeder that won't validate not only doesn't know the law,but couldn't care less about it.send the MI laws as a reminder.