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Portfolio Recovery Assoc. - debt validation

Date: Mon, 06/07/2010 - 06:56

Submitted by OZZIE69
on Mon, 06/07/2010 - 06:56

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My Capital One charged off and is now with Portfolio Associates. I sent debt validation letter and received letter from them stating they bought and received electronic file from Captial One. The listed my name, last 4 of account number and amount of debt.

Is this good enough??? Where are my 12 months statements and signed agreement? I have until 6/16 to dispute. What should be by next step?

Thanks


Quote:

Originally Posted by OZZIE69
My Capital One charged off and is now with Portfolio Associates. I sent debt validation letter and received letter from them stating they bought and received electronic file from Captial One. The listed my name, last 4 of account number and amount of debt.

Is this good enough??? Where are my 12 months statements and signed agreement? I have until 6/16 to dispute. What should be by next step?

Thanks


no that is not good enough.you need to have something with your signature on it.the fact they stated they bought the debt is proof they can't validate.they could get that info from your credit report.re-send the letter stating that is not validation by any stretch.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Mon, 06/07/2010 - 07:02

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Originally Posted by OZZIE69
I thought so Paul. What should be my next step. Send another letter stating need more information?

Thanks

Just seen you message in last sentence. So send a letter stating that the information they sent was not even close to validating debt?


exactly right ozzie.these places think they can buffalo people.re-send your DV letter with an addition stating you don't consider that validation at all.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Mon, 06/07/2010 - 10:37

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ok...you been charged off for awhile?

Yeah...I would demand a copy of the signed cardholder agreement.

The FDCPA does permit them one call to inform you of further action. I would suggest talking to them....if they dunn you for payment, remind them then they are in violation of the fdcpa for not properly validating the debt.


lrhall41

Submitted by SOAPLADY on Mon, 06/21/2010 - 07:49

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Received letter today in regards to my 2nd dv attempt. In 2nd letter I said they still have not validated debt and here is there response.

"I am writing in response to your recent dispute.

However, since you have submitted a dispute that is substantially the same as a dispute previously submitted by you and we have already responded to this dispute, then as per the Fair Credit Reporting Act, we are notifying you that such dispute is frivolous or irrelevant.

If we continue to receive subsequent correspondence from you regarding a dispute that has already been resolved, we will consider your inquiry answered. No further replies will be forthcoming unless you porvide the information we need to assist you. Our office considers this matter closed."

Again, dv from them consisted of statement saying we bought and received electronic file from Captial One.

What is my next step. Send new letter asking for signed cardholder agreement and/or that I elect arbitration?


Thanks


lrhall41

Submitted by OZZIE69 on Tue, 06/22/2010 - 10:16

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Well I sent 2nd dv letter stating what they sent me was not good enough. Today I get same canned letter saying that my dispute is frivolous or irrelevant and has been resolved. What should be my next step? I know Cap1 had an arbitration clause and I think I will send letter saying I elect arbitration.

Thanks


lrhall41

Submitted by OZZIE69 on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:33

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Originally Posted by OZZIE69
Well I sent 2nd dv letter stating what they sent me was not good enough. Today I get same canned letter saying that my dispute is frivolous or irrelevant and has been resolved. What should be my next step? I know Cap1 had an arbitration clause and I think I will send letter saying I elect arbitration.

Thanks


i would look at that clause.it might not apply if portfolio bought the debt as it may not be transferable.look into that.you might want to start looking into a lawsuit yourself as portfolio never validated,and therefore shouldn't be still attempting collections.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:43

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Paul here is my follow up letter to Portfolio.

I do not believe that I owe this debt and therefore I dispute this account. I have asked several times for documentation from you in order to resolve this matter but you have yet to send the information requested. Therefore, I am now closing my files. Do not contact me again.

What do you think??


lrhall41

Submitted by OZZIE69 on Thu, 07/08/2010 - 12:35

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Originally Posted by OZZIE69
Paul here is my follow up letter to Portfolio.

I do not believe that I owe this debt and therefore I dispute this account. I have asked several times for documentation from you in order to resolve this matter but you have yet to send the information requested. Therefore, I am now closing my files. Do not contact me again.

What do you think??


i take it there is no clause stating the arbitration is transferable?if so then send that letter.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Thu, 07/08/2010 - 12:39

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i take it there is no clause stating the arbitration is transferable?if so then send that letter.


I did not look up arbitration clause but have been told on other boards that if Portfolio bought contract/debt they also bought arbitraiton clause.

I will investigate further.

Also, Michigan Fair Debt Collection Laws say verification of the debt or any disputed portion of debt shall include the number and amount of previously made payments and the name and address of original creditor. Should I add this to my above response??

Thanks


lrhall41

Submitted by OZZIE69 on Thu, 07/08/2010 - 12:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OZZIE69
I did not look up arbitration clause but have been told on other boards that if Portfolio bought contract/debt they also bought arbitraiton clause.

I will investigate further.

Also, Michigan Fair Debt Collection Laws say verification of the debt or any disputed portion of debt shall include the number and amount of previously made payments and the name and address of original creditor. Should I add this to my above response??

Thanks


oh yes.mention that definitely.also do look into the clause.if it doesn't state it's transferable.then it's not.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Thu, 07/08/2010 - 12:56

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Paul, I read Crap1 contract on arbitration and does not say anything about tranferable. Whoever, I have been told by several other good sources that if Portfolio bought my account they also bought the arbitration clause.

I think I will add to my dispute letter that "I elect arbitration per contract".

Thanks


lrhall41

Submitted by OZZIE69 on Fri, 07/09/2010 - 06:19

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Originally Posted by paulmergel
oh yes.mention that definitely.also do look into the clause.if it doesn't state it's transferable.then it's not.


Paul,

It was suggested that I don't state MI law since they are collecting here they should know the law. What are your thoughts?? Thanks


lrhall41

Submitted by OZZIE69 on Mon, 07/12/2010 - 09:10

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Originally Posted by OZZIE69
Paul,

It was suggested that I don't state MI law since they are collecting here they should know the law. What are your thoughts?? Thanks


sorry,but a bottomfeeder that won't validate not only doesn't know the law,but couldn't care less about it.send the MI laws as a reminder.


lrhall41

Submitted by paulmergel on Mon, 07/12/2010 - 09:57

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