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Date: Thu, 04/10/2008 - 19:51

Submitted by anonymous
on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 19:51

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Around January I disputed with Trans Union a collection agency that was on my credit report. around 17 days later I got a letter in the mail from that company's attorney and it had a 4 page printout from 6/13/02 to 1/14/05. 29 days later they filed a small claims suit on me. Was the attorney supposed to send me a letter first giving me 30 days to dispute it? I never got a letter from this attorney before and the lady on the phone even admitted it, I got her name and she was rude.

Now the problem I see is on the card member statement they sent me.listed as follows:

6/13/02 beginning balance $1,040.30
6/13/02 late payment charge $29.00
6/13/02 purchase finance charge $18.31
6/13/02 cash advance finance charge $2.06
6/24/02 payment received thank you $80.00
6/26/02 cash advance fee F.C. $5.00
I find it odd that I have a late fee the same day the account was opened and that I have Cash advance fees where it states no cash advance. Do you think this form is manufactured?

I am not sure if it helps and but it says it is an Emerge credit card.
How could this have happened?
The debt collector has a different account number listed than the one they have on the statement. They said it is the file number. Can they do that? There is also nothing on my credit report with the original account number and Emerge mastercard/compucredit. Why would it not be on there if it was delinquent in
2005, should stay on there for 7 years.


I think I figured it out. I researched the time line in my head. on 8/22/01 I won $5,000 on Powerball.
I still play the same numbers 20-28-30-36-39 pb-10
they came out 02-28-30-36-39 pb-10. the Jackpot was huge too, around $250,000,000. I was kicking myself because I didn't play the bonus ball for another $1.00, I would have won $15,000. My girlfriend at the time MADE me pay it off.

I am wondering if it was done internally at Emerge. What I am saying is, they put the 5 and only 5 small charges on there so they could try to collect more money on it. I KNOW I PAID IT OFF!!!!!!!!!! How do I prove it??????????????????????????? I called Emerge and they told me to call Global Acceptance Credit Corporation. GACC told me to contact Norfolk Financial Corp. None of these places have any information except

1. my SS#
2.the account#
3.My name address and telephone number.
They have nothing with my signature and I was already told that. They have no agreement that says I opened the account. Now is the CA still liable for their acts?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 22:35

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If they have filed a case against you already then you have to answer the summon. You can dispute the case even in the court. But if you don't respond to the summon, they will get the judgment against you. Now the question is, have you received the summon from the sheriff's office? or, its just what they have told you??

I'm not sure whether the statement they have sent you qualifies as the validation of debt or not. They need to validate the debt before filing the case at the court of law. Just wait for someone more sensible to come and post in this thread. Good luck!!


lrhall41

Submitted by on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 03:00

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Welcome to the forum, you said you paid it off in 2000. Did you pay it off by check, debit card, credit card, bank draft, or some other certified medium (such as cashier's check or money order)?

Also if the last payment you made on this account was in 2000, it may be past the statute of limitations. If you could please tell me what state you live in I'll check the SOL for your state. If it is indeed past the SOL then you can use that alone to get it dismissed with prejudice.


lrhall41

Submitted by JCEMT on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 06:40

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OK as far as my old bank, I had the account from 8-29-01 to 9-21-02. So that means I paid it off at or before
9-21-02. It it going to cost me at least $150 to get my old bank statements. The only problem is I don't remember if I paid by phone or not. I might have sent Western Union or Money Order. I Don't have that kind of money right now and I can barely make the minimum payments on my 3 credit cards I have now. I only get $300 a month from emergency aid while I am having radiation.


I also got a letter today from the attorney reminding me of my court date. They want me to resolve the matter by telephone. She said she is authorized for a significant discount or payment plan.

They have a payment slip on the bottom asking for $3,092.85 but in small claims they only put $2,000 which is the limit in my state.

I said it once and I will say it again, I paid this bill off and will take a lie detector test to prove it, I will even tell the judge that. I owe nothing.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 18:06

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There's something rotten in Denmark with all this...

I'm not familiar with Emerge or GACC, but I seem to recall Norfolk Financial being discussed on here previously. IIRC, the community verdict was that they're underhanded as the day is long. Lemme see if I can wrap my tired old brain around this thing...

Quote:

6/13/02 beginning balance $1,040.30
6/13/02 late payment charge $29.00
6/13/02 purchase finance charge $18.31
6/13/02 cash advance finance charge $2.06
6/24/02 payment received thank you $80.00
6/26/02 cash advance fee F.C. $5.00
I find it odd that I have a late fee the same day the account was opened and that I have Cash advance fees where it states no cash advance. Do you think this form is manufactured


The 'opening balance', etc., from 6/13/02: That looks a lot like the sort of thing I'd ecpect to see in a CA's records, especially if they're working with sketchy info. It does not look like anything an OC would use. And certainly not like what I'd expect from opening a brand new account with an OC. It's distinctly possible that this data was manufactured. But a more likely explanation is that the CA, and hence the attorney, only have part of the file to work with. Regardless, it's not enough to prove anything, IMHO.

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I KNOW I PAID IT OFF!!!!!!!!!! How do I prove it???????????????????????????


Therein lies the rub, eh? I think that a better question in this particular instance might be "How come I have to prove anything?" From reading your first post, you did not demand validation of this debt. Doesn't look as though you had a chance to... OK. Answer the summons. Go to court. And request validation in discovery. Sure as hell, the statement they sent does not constitute validation of the debt. You have the right to validation, under federal law [fdcpa]. If they can't or won't provide it, you should ask that the case be dismissed. BTW, validation requires them to go to the OC and secure the proof, then provide it to you. Their printout doesn't cut it. Read [url=http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fdcpa/letters/wollman.htm]this[/url]. And, while you're at it, read [url=http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/collection-agencies/better-structure.html]JCEMT's validation letter[/url] for a list of things you can/should ask for as validation.

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None of these places have any information except

1. my SS#
2.the account#
3.My name address and telephone number.
They have nothing with my signature and I was already told that.


Looks to me like they'll play merry hell trying to prove to the judge that this acount belongs to you. As I understand it, they sorta need something that you signed....


lrhall41

Submitted by unclewulf on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 19:03

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I find it odd that being default as many times as they say, I was only charged about $27 in interest each month for the last 196 days it was in default. It also went up and down in each of those last months. It started at $27 went to $29 then back to $27 again.

Can someone clarify this for me, am I missing something?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 19:27

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Quote:

When was your due date?


AHHH SOMEONE NOTICED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nowhere does it show when a payment is due.
for the last 6 months it has 4 entries for the month

Example:

8/11/2004 $35.00 late payment charge
8/16/2004 $27.94 PURCHASE *Finance charge*
8/16/2004 $3.84 CASH ADVANCE *finance charge*
8/16/2004 $35.00 OVER LIMIT FEE

That goes on from 07/12/2004-01/14/2005 and would make it 215 days past due. Isn't it usually charged off at 180 days and all entries stop?


lrhall41

Submitted by on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 21:02

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Your right guest, federal law does mandate charge off s/p 180 days delinquency. I'm surprised I didn't notice that. Good catch! After 180 days delinquency it should have been charged off with no further late fees or over limit fees, only interest should have been charged if allowed for in the original contract.


lrhall41

Submitted by JCEMT on Sat, 04/12/2008 - 06:02

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The debtor does NOT have to prove they paid. The CA is required to prove everything. It sounds like what they sent was just in house generated information and that is not even close to validation. They need documentation from the OC such as statements..they didn't even send you actual statements! Definately motion for discovery and get all that information, which I bet anything they can't provide. Then you have the case dismissed with prejudice.


lrhall41

Submitted by goldenbast on Sun, 04/13/2008 - 09:13

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The debtor does NOT have to prove they paid. The CA is required to prove everything. It sounds like what they sent was just in house generated information and that Quote:

is not even close to validation. They need documentation from the OC such as statements..they didn't even send you actual statements! Definately motion for discovery and get all that information, which I bet anything they can't provide. Then you have the case dismissed with prejudice.


well it's good to know I don't have to prove anything.
I added the totals and subtracted the payments on what they gave me. It does add up, but it is like someone sat at a computer for 4 hours adding and subtracting fake payments,late fees, Etc... and came up with a total and said "this looks good" when in fact it is fake.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 04/13/2008 - 09:31

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It seems like I can have them for extortion, Defamation of character, all the fdcpa and FCRA violations not to mention The DCL's of my state, which states that a debt collector cannot put them selfs on a persons credit report, but with permission from the original creditor, they CAN report on the original creditors trade line. I have been up till 3 am every night trying to find help and information, I am stressed and I am in pain over this.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 04/13/2008 - 20:35

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I did tell her the law and she talked over me like a debt collector, she is supposed to be an attorney. She said she knows the law better than me and I am wrong and can't wait to get me in court.

I am calling my attorney tomorrow and set up an appointment. I will motion that we take it out of small claims and transfer to civil docket.


lrhall41

Submitted by on Sun, 04/13/2008 - 21:06

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