Farewell
Date: Sun, 08/06/2006 - 22:52
Vikas: Please read http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/pub/about14166.html as well. |
Today as I was googling 'illegal payday loans' I ran across a website called www.cashadvancecare.com and I noticed quite a number of similarities between the website that I was on, and www.debtconsolidationcare.com. I started looking around, and notice how very similar the format was, and how the administrator named 'clark' signs his threads 'regards'.
I proceeded to pull a who is report and this is the information that I found:
128 Forest Hill Road
Kalispell, MT 59901
This address can also be found on cashadvancecare.com's contact us page.
THIS IS A FICTITIOUS ADDRESS!
Addresses start at 130 Forest Hill Road, as there is a mobile home community directly north. http://gis.mt.gov/
The who is report for this website lists the phone number for this website as being 406-756-8680, which belongs to a lady named Jean Shaw who lives quite aways North of this fictitious address.
I proceeded to view the privacy report which indicated that there is an image being used from .visitlab, owned by 'Vikas'.
Essentially Vikas owns cashadvancecare.com where he uses similar business practices as he does here, in that he is getting paid a referral bonus from Payday Loan Companies when people join that website.
Then, the poor souls who use that service can potentially come over here where Vikas can get paid for yet another referral from a debt consolidation Company.
I am certain that I am not the only one who sees the HYPOCRISY in this playing for both teams type of business. I cannot in good conscience continue to give one more moment of my time to this website, knowing the things that I have learned today.
Vikas, you may revoke the title of moderator from me, and remove my blog from your server.
To all of my cyber fam. I will miss you tremendously.
To everyone I will search and find in the very near future a new venue to promote ending PDL's, and helping people who are in trouble with PDL's. Just google pollyandsay and in time you will find me.
Peace to all of you.
Polly
[color=darkred]Vikas edited the post to add a link to the related topic to avoid the confusions.[/color]
* Changes made as per TOS 12.
Guest, Polly says thanks for the nice words, she appreciates
Guest,
Polly says thanks for the nice words, she appreciates them.
Sue
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Don't take this the wrong way.
I'm on the "debtor" side. 5 digits.($_0,000.00)
And I found a settlement co. and good advice through this site. By battles are with w & a,NCO,NAF,Riddle & associates,etc.,etc.
The way I understand this situation after 11 pages; is the owner of THIS site bought another site for loans.
? Right? It's what it boils down to?
Discuss it until the end of time.
Lending is for profit; no?
And every poster on this board is ON this board for exactly that? Dispute/harrassment/trying to work it out with a lender? In one way,shape or form or another.
Conflict of interest.
One or the other. Not both. Can't go both ways.
I can't afford to trust anyone playing both sides of this.
Just my 2 cents.
Time may prove me wrong but......
Guest---I am not sure what you are saying when you write "Lendin
Guest---I am not sure what you are saying when you write "Lending is for profit; no?
And every poster on this board is ON this board for exactly that? Would you mind clarifying that a bit. I came to this site for a variety of reasons, but profit wasn't one of them.
Confused. As I understand it, yes the owner of this site bought
Confused.
As I understand it, yes the owner of this site bought two sites which apparently were set up to promote and refer people to PDL's. The orignal nature of these sites may have been somewhat shady.
Furthermore I understand that once these domains and site were purchased, very little if anything was done to maintain them. One of the sites is loaded with spam and until this issue came to light there had not been any meaningful posts in over a year. The link to "apply" for a loan is a dead link. As I understand, it will be removed all together shortly.
Polly found this site while doing the quality research she has come to be known for, and was understandably upset at what it appeared was going on. I for one hope Polly and Vikas talk and Polly will reconsider her decision to leave he community. I think these sites (all three) can become a very useful forum for her quest to educate consumer about the dangers of PDL's and her crusade to hold PDL'S accountable for their actions, or shut them down.
Polly, if you are reading this, please give this a second thought, and talk to Vikas if he calls you.
Vikas has stated his story and intentions, and most of the community seems willing to give him the benefit of the doubt to try and put his plans in motion.
Deny has some very interesting plans in store for these two sites, and yes much of them have been derived by the experiences and suggestions of community members here at DCC. If things work as planned, I think these sites will continue to educate and help consumers understand their rights and responsibilities, as well as provide them access to tools which can help them to better manage their financial affairs.
Confused....Has this site helped you or hasn't it? I think tha
Confused....Has this site helped you or hasn't it? I think that is what you should be focused on. To many people jump to conclusions before all the facts are clear. Give him the 6 months he has asked before you condem him and this site.
I'm having more problems logging in on this site for some dang
I'm having more problems logging in on this site for some dang reason. Clay, thank you for taking the time to explain it better so I can understand it better. Yes, I have done research on PDL's but Polly has gone above and beyond with her research and dedication. I can understand why she was so upset to find that website. I was too. If you have been in this situation and have taken the grief that we have, then it was a shock to the system. I also hope that Polly and Vikas have a chance to speak but I can understand why Polly is so upset right now. I wish her the best and hate to lose her from the forum.
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If this site is associated with a payday loan co then its the worst advertising job that I have seen.
Vikas - I have always had a problem with you posting peoples personal information. I know they take money from you but did you have to post full names during the $100 hall of fame payouts?
I have not cashed in points but if you do then you do have to provide contact information which I would hope was not compromised to the PDL industry. If its to track who we are and gain collection stragegies then thats wrong.
These vague reponses are not helping you.
Glynnie.. Not sure what you mean by tracking us to gain collect
Glynnie..
Not sure what you mean by tracking us to gain collection strategies?
re
erz - I don't want to start something new since Vikas has enough to respond to and I think he should be given more of a chance to resopond to them.
I don't give personal info because I tried real hard to keep the PDL's from doing that. If there is a link between this site and PDL's then perhaps it could be used by them to formulate collection strategies for those with whom their current methods do not work for.
Glynnie, I don't think that this discussion had anything to do
Glynnie,
I don't think that this discussion had anything to do with Vikas tracking us and displaying our personal information for the payday lenders to retrieve.
Vikas just made a boo boo on displaying this information, I find it hard to believe that he is also in cahoots with them as far as collections.
I'd hate to think that our info is tracked as well...but if (God
I'd hate to think that our info is tracked as well...but if (God forbid) Vikas is playing both sides here, then it is very possible our info has been compromised...if we've given it out to redeem points for example. I recently had Paypal contact me regarding suspicious activity on my account and had to go through a whole re-verification process with them. I use my paypal to sell stuff on ebay as well as to redeem points from DebtCC. So, I don't know what the suspicious activity was...but I hope it wasn't linked with this site.
I'm not saying they have anything to do with each other, I'm simply responding to Glynnie's concerns and letting you know that you're not alone in these concerns, Glynnie.
thanks.
Seeing_the_light--- Quote:I'm not saying they have anything to
Seeing_the_light---
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I'm not saying they have anything to do with each other... |
I can put your mind to rest about this much---they don't have anything to do with each other. I have used paypal long before joining this group and I have gotten the 'suspicious activity' email several times from so called 'paypal' and ebay as well. The first time I got a letter like that from paypal, I called them up on the phone to ask what was up...found out that there was absolutely nothing going on with my account and it was someone sending out fake emails that appeared to be from paypal, but weren't. They want you to click on the links provided in the email and it takes you to a 'fake' sign in page, so that they get your account information--preferably your bank info. After talking to them and them reassuring me it was all a scam, now I just report them from forwarding the email to 'spoof@paypal.com'. The same thing happens with ebay as well. sometimes I get emails from so called sellers on ebay thanking me for my $600 purchase and blah blah blah (there was no purchase)....again, they want you to click on whatever link is there. Paypal says this is also a common scam. So never click on anything in these emails from ebay or paypal. If you are worried, go to the site and sign in directly yourself, (not through the scam email), and email them and that way you can get the scoop out of the horses mouth. again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with this group. This was happening to me before I joined to group here. Also, I rarely get these types of emails anymore. hope I have helped. shirley :D
Shirley is absolutely right. I have never redeemed my DebtCC poi
Shirley is absolutely right. I have never redeemed my DebtCC points, still I receive alert of suspicious activities from paypal. I think it is a very normal stuff, or might be they want our account to be updated as premier, right?
And I think Vikas has given enough clarification, nothing more is needed. Let????????s see what he does in next six months.
Hi, This is turning out to be funny, now I am blamed for even
Hi,
This is turning out to be funny, now I am blamed for even the paypal errors :), all in good spirits. I know that no one wanted to harm but everyone wanted to be sure of the situation.
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Vikas - I have always had a problem with you posting peoples personal information. I know they take money from you but did you have to post full names during the $100 hall of fame payouts? |
I have always tried to follow the privacy policy strictly. Since we use a lot of open source application which sometimes displayed some information on profile pages, which when brought to notice was removed. Privacy of our members is very important for me. Please let me know if you are not comfortable with any personal information getting displayed I will remove it. Even after 100s of spams everyday we have guest postings allowed just to accommodate people who are not comfortable in signup us with an email. ???????Hall of fame??????? is awarding our community members in a special and thus we requested your info. This is just a request not a compulsion. As I already said if you get a call from any of the payday loan companies or CAs let me know, I will quit that day :).
Hi Seeing_the_Light, I will be very happy if you can clear out everything with Paypal and post your feedbacks here. One single negative thought in mind can put many people into worries. Please let everyone know that the suspicious activity in your paypal account had no connection with this site (which has been put into assumption).
Regards
Vikas
Sorry Vikas!! Didn't mean to cause more drama for you!! :oops:
Sorry Vikas!! Didn't mean to cause more drama for you!! :oops:
I actually did get the "suspicious activity" email from Paypal. It wasn't a scam. There was no link in the actual email itself. The email said to log in or call Paypal directly. Which I did. I called the help number listed on the actual site(not directed from a false link) before I did anything, and the customer service rep told me that my account was under review for suspicious activity. I just found out that the "suspicious" activity they were referring to was that I had been selling more stuff on Ebay. I am not a frequent Ebayer...I sell maybe 1 thing a year...but recently my boyfriend purchased several phones from work (Verizon) and we sold them on Ebay, so I had like 5-6 transactions in a couple of weeks. That was unusual for me, so they though maybe I wasn't the one using my account at that point. Everything got cleared up though...and now I know that it had nothing to do with DebtCC...I shouldn't have doubted you, and I apologize.
Speaking of which...I made a request to redeem points almost 2 weeks ago, and it has not been made yet...I know it takes a while, but it's never taken this long before! thanks! :)
What this has turned into is slanderous. I was putting into que
What this has turned into is slanderous. I was putting into question Vikas's LEGAL business practices. Whether we like it or not, the possibility of Vikas generating leads for payday loans is LEGAL. What is being suggested here is highly illegal. If there is one thing that I do know for certain, it is that Vikas is far too ethical to partake in illegal activities.
Paypal is bad news period. I do not understand how or why that company still exists. I refuse to use it for any purpose period. When I redeemed my Debt CC points I requested a check and trusted Debt CC with my address. I have absolutely no worries of this information every being used for any purpose other than what it was intended.
I am still uncertain of what my status is here. Vikas and I are talking things out. Regardless folks, please chill out with the conspiracy theories.
Vikas, I sincerely apologize for what this post has turned into. You did not deserve this, and I now wish I had found another platform to bring my questions to you regarding Cash Advance Care.
Peace,
Polly
Like I said, I didn't mean to cause more drama. I was simply let
Like I said, I didn't mean to cause more drama. I was simply letting Glynnie know that I had a strange problem with Paypal, and she suggested they might be linked...I then set the record straight with my particular problem. I am not accusing Vikas of anything illegal. I have supported both of you from the start, I hope you all know that.
I did not mean my post to be slanderous or conspiratory in nature.
thanks.
Also, I think Paypal is a good company. I never had problems wit
Also, I think Paypal is a good company. I never had problems with my account until recently, and I appreciate that they would alert me to any suspicious activity in my account.
I am not so skeptical yet I guess. Maybe one day I will be proved wrong. I hope not. I like my optimism and I believe it makes me a better person.
thanks! :)
Hey Polly-good to hear from you,I've been wondering how you were
Hey Polly-good to hear from you,I've been wondering how you were.I am responding to this because common sense tells me if all this were true,the people who joined a long time ago and cashed in their points would have really been griping if they were "tracked down" by pay day loan companies.As of yet,I haven'e heard of any one having problems with this happening.I feel comfortable cashing in points,however I use snail mail instead of pay pal. :D ...Karen
farewell
Hey Polly its good to hear from you. You have been missed. I dont know much about paypal except my bank told me not to use it. They said they had a lot of problems with debits being taken out that should not be. So I never used it. I will wait on check whenever I redeem my points. Vikas I looked at the other site and I think its got a lot of useful info on there. KYSIDE38
Hi Seeing_the_Light, Thanks for clearing the cloud. I appreci
Hi Seeing_the_Light,
Thanks for clearing the cloud. I appreciate.
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I made a request to redeem points almost 2 weeks ago, and it has not been made yet...I know it takes a while, but it's never taken this long before! |
I haven????????t received the email you have mentioned here, however, I have got one from you on August 22 and it has been taken care of.
Regards
Vikas
Respect and the Viewer
seeing - yes that would be illegal. What I was concerned about was the legal practice of PDL's potentially using this site to refine collection practices.
This is something they are probably doing anyway whether anyone from this site is helping them or not. Thats why its crucial that no personal info is divulged no matter what.
For me I went through great cost to keep PDL's from broadcasting my situation so its a personal choice to not accept debt CC points and thus keep my info private. To me its not worth the risk but I have donated points to others that have no problem with it so its not that I am against the practice. When you pay off a PDL $600 so they do not contact your employer then whats $11 worth to risk anything.
But I see a lot of actual photo's and locations being displayed here so I understand that other do not share my same level of desired privacy. To each their own.
Quote:seeing - yes that would be illegal. What I was concerned a
Quote:
seeing - yes that would be illegal. What I was concerned about was the legal practice of PDL's potentially using this site to refine collection practices. This is something they are probably doing anyway whether anyone from this site is helping them or not. Thats why its crucial that no personal info is divulged no matter what. For me I went through great cost to keep PDL's from broadcasting my situation so its a personal choice to not accept debt CC points and thus keep my info private. To me its not worth the risk but I have donated points to others that have no problem with it so its not that I am against the practice. When you pay off a PDL $600 so they do not contact your employer then whats $11 worth to risk anything. But I see a lot of actual photo's and locations being displayed here so I understand that other do not share my same level of desired privacy. To each their own. |
Glynnie111,
IF these PDL's are refining their collections tactics in a manner which is more ethical and in line with accepted civility, then this site is having a positive effect. I don't think anyone has really believed that PDL's (collection agencies, etc)doesn't read the posts on this site. I for one hope they do, and hope they realize their Strong arm tactics, and flagrant violations of the law will no longer go unchallenged.
AS for your choice not to encashe your points, that is a personal decision, and I respect that decision. However, you may want to consider a few alternatives
For example, you can donate your points to others who are attempting to clean their debt house (I have done this in the past, and it made me feel better knowing I was helping another in need).
You could donate your points back to Vikas to free up those funds to help defer the monthly maintenance cost for this and site.
You could ask for your points to be donated to charity of your choice in your name ( I believe JJ does this). Just something to think about.
What I find amazing,and horrifying, are the folks that use the
What I find amazing,and horrifying, are the folks
that use their First and last names,and when you read
their posts they use actual locations and family
situations. Yikes!
Well, people need to make their own decision about what informat
Well, people need to make their own decision about what information people feel comfortable in revealing. Unfortunately, when most people come here seeking advice or guidance on a matter, often time we Need to know their location information, at least their state information, as laws can vary from state to state, and it could have a significant impact on their situation that person is dealing with.
However this discussion , has made me think, and while I don't have anything to hide, for the sake of preventing future possibilities of ID theft I may soon change my name.
Whoooaaaa! Isn't this the limit! We go from accusations and expl
Whoooaaaa! Isn't this the limit! We go from accusations and explanations to the Golden Girls and S'mores and cheesecake and all this other mess, and I just downed a glass of red wine on an empty stomach and am buzzing! Since this whole messy business bowled over along time ago and I'm faced, let's cap this off on a happy note! It's time for some PYTHON! Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say-no-more, a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat! I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok! How to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana! I don't want to go on the cart, I feel happy! She turned me into a newt, I got better! He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy! Don't call me Eddie-baby! Where are you two from, Nose City? I'm Brian and so is my wife!
and finally....
Hello Polly!!!! Wakey-wakey!
Ari? Have ya lost yer mind lady? LMAO :shock: WTF????????
Ari? Have ya lost yer mind lady? LMAO :shock:
WTF???????????
Is that more Brit humor that is flying over my head and under my toes?
I think you skimmed somewhere in the middle of the post where I
I think you skimmed somewhere in the middle of the post where I mentioned red wine and an empty stomach. I'm faced! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I know I'm going to log on tomorrow, you will all be very bewildered and I will blush!
NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! BRING OUT YOUR
NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!
BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!!!!!!!!!
Roadwarrior, is that Monty Python again? I'm so confused by all
Roadwarrior, is that Monty Python again? I'm so confused by all this sometimes :)
It is the Python in deed! Right! Stop that! It's silly! This
It is the Python in deed!
Right! Stop that! It's silly! This forum is displaying a distinct tendency to become silly! Nobody likes a good laugh more than I do, except of course my husband and some of his friends, and Capt. Johnson. Come to think of it, most people like a good laugh more than I do, but that's besides the point! Now I'm warning this forum not to become silly again! Right!
It's a California Red Zinfandel. Getting faced was not the inten
It's a California Red Zinfandel. Getting faced was not the intention! I read that red wine lowers the blood pressure! So here I am, sitting at the computer in the corner of the bedroom right by the window facing the parking lot and the sidewalk where my strange neighbors walk their dog after 10 pm and I am contemplating mooning them on their next pass.
And now it's time for the penguin on top of your televison to ex
And now it's time for the penguin on top of your televison to explode.
Ooooo...Ari, you have to ask Polly about those! Hee hee
Ooooo...Ari, you have to ask Polly about those!
Hee hee
Tiger-brand coffee is a real treat! Even tigers prefer it to rea
Tiger-brand coffee is a real treat! Even tigers prefer it to real meat!
Thanks for clearing that up Ari, I was beginning to wonder - jus
Thanks for clearing that up Ari, I was beginning to wonder - just kidding LOL!!!
You're welcome. I'll remember to take it with food from now on!
You're welcome. I'll remember to take it with food from now on!
Nahhh, it was really funny without food. How's your blood press
Nahhh, it was really funny without food. How's your blood pressure doing? Better I hope, I know you probably don't want to hear this but I had mine taken yesterday for a life insurance exam and it was 98/70.
And did you have coffee with your doughnut, or coffee brandy! Ou
And did you have coffee with your doughnut, or coffee brandy! Out with it!
I had a bagel sprinkled with ginger. Did I say "ginger"
I had a bagel sprinkled with ginger.
Did I say "ginger"? I meant "gin". :)
I had a soy smoothy and a peach......tree schnapps.
I had a soy smoothy and a peach......tree schnapps.
That's right... the Drunken Master! Or Mistress in my case, gott
That's right... the Drunken Master! Or Mistress in my case, gotta be politically correct!