About Wyatt Marshall Brule

Since I'm a college student and Poli Sci/Poli Philo is highly interesting:

Liberty is not an unbridled license to act indiscriminately; at its core is responsibility to act in an appropriate manner--our country has always given individuals enough rope to hang themselves. That Mr. Brule decided to act in an immature manner is no small matter; he clearly demonstrated to our members (and guests) that some collection agents may flaunt the law with a behavior that implies impunity. That he was caught is testament to his arrogance and ignorance, that he was fired is of little consequence to me, but if he truly learns from this and becomes a better person by gaining a deeper understanding of actions is of great importance to all whom he interacts with in the future.

I believe that he should find a new career, and we should help him do so--his inflammatory comments should stay, as they accurately reflect what too many people have to deal with.

I would be inclined to reconsider my opinion, but only if Mr. Brule provided a better reason than, "I'm so sorry I got caught."

I agree. He acted inappropriately in a very public forum. Now that he's been caught and is "in trouble", so to speak, he's sorry. He should have thought before he spoke.

I'm sorry if that sounds hard-nosed, but perhaps he can take this lesson with him in his life and treat people more fairly in the future...and perhaps he'll remember this lesson when down the road, he falls on hard times and has to deal with what members here have been dealing with for so long.

As I re-read it, I don't even see an apology of any kind; his PM is nothing but a statement of self-serving bias.

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If you work for 6 months at a collection agency you can get hired at any collection agency.

However, with that being said I don't think that stupid mistakes on an internet forum should cost a person their job, especially if it isn't a repeated offence (continuios posting on other threads), their way to make a living and provide for themselves. With the unemployment rate as high as it is if there is something we can do to help someone get or keep a job then I think we should help out where we can.

I think a public apology is completely in order before that should happen and I think the IP address should be watched in case another infraction should occur.

Actually FYI, Mr. Brule continued to post in this thread, and from reading posts in same thread from our members, it appears that Mr. Brule was trolling elsewhere in our community, and did so over a period of several weeks. Were it but a single occurrence, I would likely be inclined to agree, but I am interpreting the repetition to be something greater than an error.

I did a search on the name only and came up with replies for the forum only to that thread. However I did see that he posted on personal pages or someone said something about him, I just can't find what was written.

This person did this to themselves and I have no sympathy. In his arrogance he posted which company he worked for. I am not suprised the company is not happy with him..it is there for all the world to see in writing and makes the company itself look bad. He knew the fourm was a public fourm when he posted and he posted his phone number which in my mind is like issuing a challange. This person should take responsilbility and be held accoutable for his actions. I agree with Morning and Sue Bee.

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We are all responsible for ourselves and our conduct and like Roxy I don't feel any sympathy for him.

Are you kidding me? :shock: This is just ONE example of Wyatt's "work":

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Amen Cannr. No excuse for that kind of behavior. He deserves what he gets!!!!!!!!

Thanks, sass. I know I sound like a nasty person, and I'm certainly not! But after reading his posts and how insulting and arrogant they were, I about lost it! Now he's in trouble and comes begging for help? What???? No way. He thought he was King Crap while posting and degrading other members of this forum. He got EXACTLY what he deserved.

Cannr, you are so not a nasty person and don't come across as one either. This guy is a first class jerk! It serves him right.

I get that he was/is rude arrogent, nasty and completely irresponsible but I don't think we should have the power to decide to keep someone unemployed because they got stupid, really stupid. Depending upon where you live jobs can be extremely difficult to come by and listening to lord knows how many stories of people being unemployed for months to years I don't feel that anyone is in the position to decide someones future because they got stupid on the internet.

I see this situation framed as "speech."

Mr. Brule exercised speech contrary to our TOS when he choose to post harassing messages over the course of several weeks. He did so even after receiving a stern admonishment from a moderator (Cajun).

CPC exercised speech guaranteed by our Constitution when the company terminated Mr. Brule's employment.

Mr. Brule exercised speech when he requested that Admin delete his posts, asking that his speech be undone.

We are asked retract his malfeasance; he has not expressed remorse, on the contrary, I interpret his PM as merely the desire for life to continue as it did before he got caught. But speech cannot be so fleeting; Mr. Brule's behavior clearly shows that this was no gaffe--this was harassment. I see no justification to undo his speech.

I just went back and read the whole thread that Wyatt posted to.

I believe he deserves whatever happens to him as a direct result of his posts here.

Where I work, if you violate the terms of your employment, you are disciplined, then fired if it continues. I believe Wyatt is simply reaping the results of his actions and should have to accept the consequences like any of the rest of us would. We are not responsible for his actions, and we are not responsible for the loss of his job. He did it to himself, and I feel no obligation to rescue him.

Sue Bee, I did too... We did not ask him to come here and post. He KNEW he was posting on a public fourm yet he continued to belittle, harrass and degrate the members and guests of this fourm. HE named his employer, HE posted his phone number. HE made a choice. So it was ok for him to do this as long as his employer did not catch him. But his employer did and his firing was the result of his actions. In our jobs we are all held to a standard and held accountable for our actions and have to face the consequences. We are not keeping him unemployed. We are merely voicing our opinion that he made his bed and he should have to lie in it....like many of us have had to do during our lives.

Thank you, morningstar, for your post. Very well put.

We are all responsible for our conduct. If I go out in public and embarass the institution I work for by say, getting a DWI, which I believe is part of our code of ethics, the cops aren't going to drop the charges just so I could keep my job. This guy behaved like a first class jerk and I don't think that this forum owes him anything.

I still feel that none of us is qualified to decide on real life decisions for someone based on activity over the internet. Hell, and likely not even qualified to make decisions on strangers based on limited experiences with them either, decisions that could have a long term effect on their mental and physical well being.

My opinion still stands that we are responsible for our own actions. This guy came to the forum and behaved like a jerk. He knew fully what he was doing when he decided to put his feelings, or whatever they are, onto these boards and he got caught. Now he is paying the conseqences and I don't feel sorry for him at all. Let him be accountable for his actions.

No, but when you save someone from their own actions, they take no responsibility. They won't learn anything, but that by begging they can get their way.

It's like with kids. You have to punish them when they do something bad. If not, they will think they can do whatever they want, and there will be hell to pay.

He knowingly posted all sorts of crap. He should take responsibility, deal with the consequences, and move on. Not look for someone to save him. Otherwise, he doesn't learn the lesson here.

I vote for not deleting too.

I am sitting here wondering..did his employer actually say they would give him his job back if he could make this go away or is he trying to get this deleted in an effort to say look, I fixed it, can I have my job back now.

Thing is, he is already fired becuase of his actions. Did he think of the people he was posting to? What about their mental and physical well being. What about the people who read the post and did not respond but may have chosen never to return to this site or decided not to get the help they needed becuase of what he posted....we can play what if all day.... We are not firing him, we are not keeping him from his job, fact is, he was fired based on his actions. His lack of remorse only proves his arrogance. Does he even realize what he did was WRONG.

All we are asking is for Admin not to delete what he chose to post on a public fourm. There are alot of cases relating to internet activity that get prosecuted in the courts these days, to include stalking and harrassment. Just becuase it is over the internet on a web site does not make what he did ok or any less important than if he had done it in person.

I agree with SueBee-if you violate the terms of your employment, you have to suffer the consequences. Posting his real name where his employers or anyone for that matter, can see his comments shows a lack of respect and misuse of his power on his job.

This is why I can't have a video of myself or post my real name,my job.

I don't work in this industry, but anything I say or do is subject to be scrutinized, and could be interpreted wrong. I always try to maintain a prefessional attitude and actions-you never know who is watching.

He may have done other things and that's the reason his employer in thinking of letting him go. I have gotten remanded in my job, with a warning years ago, but not fired. Regardless, his conduct was certainly un professional, attacking and threatening, and I am not so sure that even if we deleted it, his employer would change his mind..KAren Just my two cents :lol:

Let me throw this in here. As I was sitting here thinking about this and reading the posts above, I thought, "you know what, if we do delete this guy's nasty, inflammatory posts, what will he do? Will he come back and apologize to the forum at large, and try to make amends?"

I think the answer to that is no - there will quite likely be no gratitude for what would be a HUGE concession on our part, and he will get his job back, go back to his merry little world and treat others the same way he treated us - because we let him get away with it by allowing his posts to be deleted as he requested - instead of learning a hard lesson about treating others as you would like to be treated.

If I acted in the manner that he did in our forums, I would fully expect a harsh backlash, and I would have to deal with it. I've made major mistakes in my life, and had to deal with them - why should we bail out someone who has chosen to act irresponsibly and with malice aforethought towards others??

He is a college student (he says) - regardless of where he lives, he will eventually find another job. Granted, probably not one that provides for him quite as well as the collection job - but again, welcome to the real world, kid! If he has to find a fast food job to make ends meet, so be it. He won't be the first to do so, and he definitely won't be the last.

My own child has learned this hard lesson. She and her fiancee moved in with me for a few months last year, and I tried to help them out until they could find jobs by paying their bills (and my own) while trying to save money to move to a new home. I soon realized this would NOT work for long. Once they moved out into their own place (in another state), got jobs and are now having to pay their own bills, I'm constantly hearing from them about how much things cost, how hard it is to make it on what they make at fast food jobs, etc. But you know what? They do it. They make ends meet. And they make darn sure they don't endanger their jobs by breaking the rules.

I stand by my original post that his words should remain on this site, and he should have to deal with the consequences of his actions. I still feel uncertain that he's actually telling the truth about his job situation.

Thank you Sue!! I couldn't agree with you more :)

I think we have all been "punked" by this guy! No company would say erase what was said and we will take you back.

Morningstar echoed my opinion so eloquently... so I will only add this:

I think his manager, or whoever fired him, just said that so they could play the nice guy. Maybe they have no intentions on re-hiring this guy, but rather than say as much to his face, they give him a last "hope" that cannot be fulfilled. They know the DCC will not take down the comments, and so ultimately we are the ones that get blamed for Mr Brule losing his job -- Mr Brule becomes hostile and angry against us and not the company that fired him.

As a manager I use these same sort of tactics with my employees. Maybe I have an employee who comes in late all the time -- but if I write her up then she will take it against me personally and won't be so open to switch days next time I need a day off. So when I write her up I blame it on my boss - "he seen the timecards and told me I have to write you up." That is redirecting the blame, now my employee isn't mad at me anymore, she's mad at my boss (whom she never sees or talks to).

I guess you could say it's deceptive, but it happens. Same thing, I believe, in Wyatt's case -- his boss doesn't want to seem like an @$$hole, and so he redirects the blame over to this website.

Keep the posts.

Personally, I think it is time for Wyatt to find a new profession. If it had been one comment, my answer probably would have been "yes" to deleting the garbage. However he returned time and time again, spouting his ignorance.

When I was collecting in the 90's, the agency I worked for warned us making comments on the internet for or against them would be grounds for termination.

He hung himself.

Do not delete his posts.

I'd like to see a response from Admin on this...I think it's been discussed enough to reach a general consensus.

Amen, Suebee. And let me say DO NOT delete his posts for the following reasons: First off, as has been said here, noone held a gun to this jerk's head to come and post his drivel on the boards. He read the TOS and posted anyway. His only problem? He got caught.
It sounds to me like his real problem is that his head size and ego were deflated when he got the old heave-ho--and all I can say is Oh well!
So if he gets his job back, this gives him free license to play phone terrorist again--and that is something I can't stomach.
And maybe this will be a wakeup call for him!

I don't believe we ever heard from Admin on this one - were the posts allowed to stand or taken down, or what was the outcome??

Sue, he made his bed and I say let him sleep in it. Call it a learning lesson of life.

I'm not worried about HIM...just wondered what Admin's final decision was, since we didn't see anything else posted about it after we all voiced our opinions.

Guess I'm just worrying about old junk that I shouldn't be.

Seems we will be waiting on Vikas for that one.Personally I think it should be pinned as an example of what can happen when here & real life collide. :lol: Course I am evil like that anyways. :lol:

I agree with the majority here. I'm quite sure this will be a very valuable life lesson for this young man. I vote leave things as they are.

What is the community doing with other trolls, such as NNC--locking, editing, or deleting?

All of the above, Morningstar - locking the thread if members have replied, and editing NNC's post if it's offensive (which it usually is), and deleting NNC's post if no one has replied. Some Mods will delete the entire thread, including any responses by members.

I think it's come to a matter of personal choice.

Is it possible to move individual posts into a single thread?

Yes it is by using the split post feature of the mod shortcuts on the left of the quick reply button.

Then I propose a garbage thread, used for collector-troll posts. I like records, and maybe, just maybe, someone will get popped like Wyatt here.

Interesting idea--but what would we use it for, except for a laugh?? After we ban the latest round of trolls, then we have to wait for the next set. Kind of frustrating...

Even though one of our more recent (and notorious) trolls, NNC is actually a member, it does not seem proper that future collector-trolling might be removed, when we've come to the consensus that Wyatt's should remain.

Admin would need to set up a mod priv board to place these post in and the group would have to consider if this is something that can help our board. They are currently deleted as policy to keep the drama to a minimum so we can take our board back. Wyatt posted long before this policy was enacted to keep this forum running and it will take admin to change this.

I guess my opinion on that idea is, why take the time and trouble to save their posts, unless it can prove useful to us in the future? I say delete, edit or lock and move on.

Okay the posts made by Wyatt are still available on board, we haven't removed them yet. And as the person hadn't enquired afterward, we are leaving those as-it-is. May be he has found a job elsewhere. I truly wish that he get an employment.

http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/collection-agencies/about20974.html#296565

Thank you Jason.

Leave them up. I hope Wyatt gets a job, but he needs to be doing something other than collections.