Paul Kupferstein - Mr. David - EBSI- 900 Number Dialers
Unauthorized and evasive charges have been placed there by these organizations via the malicious dialer which accesses international 900 number sites. The only time when you are made aware of this activity is when you receive your monthly telephone bill.
The general rule of thumb is: when you challenge these bozo's (Aggregators) after their uneducated telephone reps accuse you or someone else in your household of accessing pornograhic websites, they tend to back down and credit your account (without any word of apology of course). You would tend to believe that this was the end of the matter.
Not so I am afraid, because waiting in the wings, months later are the lowlife bottom feeding debt collectors. These unsrupolous characters buy up old telephone records and debt from even more unscrupolous vendors and go after for what they can get. This is where you may have had a call from a Mr.David or others threatening you with lawsuits, disconnecting your phone line and further harrassment, without fully identifying himself or their client, which is the law.
If you do not challenge this moron on initial contact he may stay on the line long enough to tell you he represents the law firm of a Paul Kupferstein & Associates. Otherwise, he hangs up. The phone number they tend to call on is (905) 474 3535. Investigation of the number gives the address as follows:
Liability Solutions Inc
4981 HWY 7 East
Unit 12A, Suite 267
Markham, Ontario
L3R 1N1 Canada
Thats right Canada, They are also located at several other addresses including PO Boxes, and they are all located in the Markham area. They tend to move around a lot! For peace of mind call the RCMP Phonebusters 1-888-495-8501 or Recol 1(888) 495-8501 hotlines (same number) and your State Attorney General. The Law Society of Upper Canada are also very interested to hear from you. (416) 947 3310. They and the RCMP are very much aware of the activities of these scam artists in their area. This is total fraud and none of it would stand in a court of law. They are preying on vulnerability and fear using scripted scare tactics. Just ask your Attorney Generals office.
This thread has been started to put a case history together on victims and consumers they have targeted. If you are a victim please highlight your case on this forum so that we can get a portfolio of sorts on these crooks, and present it to the relevant authorities, and for general peace of mind. The more people who make complaints the more likely they will get investigated and have their illegal operation shut down. Take note they will infiltrate this forum with bogus victims who apparently ended up paying them after going through the courts. It does not happen! For further information on Kuperferstein and Co. check out further listings about them on this website through the following link:
http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/forums/about2990.html
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Fear is the Key......Lets unlock it! |
Your scare tactics not working anymore Kuperstein & Associates (
Your scare tactics not working anymore Kuperstein & Associates (aka Mr. David, etc). that know you'll trying being nice (reverse technique) to make it look like you care in order to get money by whatever means. I think playing the "we're here to help you card" is old and you are a sheep in wolfs clothing. Just provide the people with the appropriate documentation and you would have had no problems in the first place. If you look around on these forums, you will notice that you may be the only so-called "firm" under the gun here - I wonder why that is . . . . Probably because you are a fraud. Legitimate lawyers don't hang out on the forum defending themselves they get the job done properly and legally unlike yourselves.
You are a liar, G. You stated "These people have had many oportu
You are a liar, G. You stated "These people have had many oportunites to repay the companies that they were (are) indebted to". That is not true in all cases. The ONLY opportunity I had to pay on a bogus 900 call (placed after my modem was hijacked) was in ONLY one of my phone bills. The charge was verified as being reversed by the billing agency that represented the 900 company, as well as my local phone company. Let me remind every one how these dialing trojans work. They silence your modem so you can't hear them dialing and they bust through 900 blocks that you might have on your phone, such as in my case. In other words, they're very malicious. I see no difference in them and some one breaking into my home and using my telephone. Again I ask, I'll ask you also, G, what do you have to say about the accusations of Paul Kupferstein and associates buying up old phone records from 900 company's and trying to collect on them?
Please at least try to understand. No old phone records were ev
Please at least try to understand. No old phone records were ever purchased. I'm not sure why, when or where you may have received this information. Debt files are forwarded to the Law Office for recoveries, that's all. If you were truly scammed, it wasn't by the Law Office it was by the provider of the 900 service.
JeffW asked a question and I have offered to assist this person. I don't think it matters who I am. I regret the fact that I can not let my true self be know do to the fact that you all seem to be far greater evil harrassing people than this Mr. David.
G-you're going to help Jeff though you aren't Mr. David or assoc
G-you're going to help Jeff though you aren't Mr. David or associated with the law firm? That's interesting.
This forum isn't about complaining. It's about helping others who fell or may have fallen victim to this scam. It hopefully stops people from sending money they don't owe. This forum lets people know what agencies etc to contact if they have received threatening calls from Mr. David.
I've never admitted nor have I denied being an associate of the
I've never admitted nor have I denied being an associate of the Law Office. You are absolutely correct, I hope people don't send anyone, any money they don't legitimately owe. You're placing your blame on the wrong source. The Law Office has a job to do, and that is to recover money. Files are forwarded and then recoveries commence. Every tells collectors that they didn't do it, or it was fraud, or I have no knowledge of this debt, it wasn't me. The job of a collector is to recover money. If you feel they have contacted you in error than you need to contact the company that forwarded either the Law Office or collection agency.
You are all so convinced that 'you've been scammed', and the easiest target was Mr. David.
I won't bother anymore, because I'm listening to you, but you're not listening to me.
Be Happy.
That's right! You haven't admitted that you are or are not Mr.
That's right! You haven't admitted that you are or are not Mr. David - all you have done is change your name but definately not the way you express yourself. How many times does one have to repeat themselves!!! PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE THAT WHAT YOU ARE HARRASSING PEOPLE FOR IS ACTAULLY VALID! It is so simple what don't you understand - you seem to be avoiding this topic in every posting you type! Have you got an answer for that?! In regards to your comment of "if we were truly scammed, it wasn't by the law office" then why is it that your so-called law office cannot when requested provide any documentation?! Don't give me an answer of contact the people who hired you because if they hired you, you would have all the documentation they have and could provide the same. In addition to your other comment about how you cannot identify yourself because you feel like you are being harrassed - WELL HOW DOES IT FEEL - the tables have turned - doesn't feel good does it - something makes me think you couldn't give a damn anyway. Don't avoid my questions as I as well as I am sure others think they are valid and deserve a response.
No, for some recoveries agencies and/or law offices are provided
No, for some recoveries agencies and/or law offices are provided with very little back-up.
I'm not Mr. David - move on please.
FYI, I do give a damn. If I didn't I never would have initiated
FYI, I do give a damn. If I didn't I never would have initiated communications.
If it's any consolation, many of the 900 service providers that were running scamming operations are no longer in business. I myself was the victom of such an operation and was contacted by a company attempting to collect money that I wasn't aware I owed. I am now comforted by the fact that these operations are slowly but surely ceasing to exist. Unlike yourselves I didn't pounce on the company that contacted me to pay money I was sure I didn't owe, I did my homework and realized that the provider of the alleged 900 number service was cramming. (billing people without providing any service) I moved on, and this is what I'm attempting to help you do as well. However, I am failing miserably. Should you wish to converse with me in a mature, adult like fashion I will continue my attempts to assist.
I know someone out there in Never Never Land will slam me again for this response, please save your fingers the abuse of slamming the keyboard.
Again do remember that our time on this earth is short, enjoy.
I am sorry but I don't believe that - it doesn't make sense. If
I am sorry but I don't believe that - it doesn't make sense. If you were a law firm representing a company - you would ask the client for every bit of documentation you require to get the file closed - I know this because I used to work for a law firm. As asked in a previous post, what is it that YOU think you can do to help? Are you going to contact the boggus company and miraculously get them to provide valid documentation? Are you going to take their abusive calls for us? Be real. Do you not think that people have done their homework? Most people (as you can tell from this website) did their homework and found out the horrible stories of Paul Kuperstein & Associates, Mr. David etc. and thankfully never sent a dime. So you see "G", homework has been done by many who don't owe a cent and are being harrassed - the boggus company can't prove it and then move on to another victim. And in regards to the people who do owe money, NO ONE deserves to be treated the way these people operate - PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
AND ONCE AGAIN, you truly avoided the question of why they cannot provide documentation with a lame reasoning being "some companies just don't get it". Who the heck operates a company like that - a boggus one!
Like I said David or not, you talk the same talk.
I agree with FED up! "G" is trying to sugar coat and have an "I
I agree with FED up! "G" is trying to sugar coat and have an "I'm your friend and here to help" attitude.
Have you not been listening or reading the stories in this post about Mr. David??? They are true.
You are but (1) including Mr. David who seem to be defending your comments/actions and I am sure we'll have yet another post from you trying to justifying why yuo are doing so. Give up, you're not going to convince anyone here.
That's okay 'Fed Up', you don't have to believe me. I don't bel
That's okay 'Fed Up', you don't have to believe me. I don't believe any of the crap posted on this forum either.
No need to respond to my post, as I'm quickly realizing - blue collar is simply not worth communicating with. You'd be far better off screaming your reply out your front door.
okay G, a good point was raised. if you receive an account for r
okay G, a good point was raised. if you receive an account for recovery with little documentation, how can you pursue action. if civil action is initiated, and a standard of a preponderance of the evidence is in force, how could u possibly prevail.
Also G, as someone who is very white collar, I object to your disparaging comments to Fed up, he makes a very valid point and you sir, have not even endeavored to come anywhere close to addressing the point.
All are welcome to share here and to the rest of the posters on this thread, lets try and avoid the name calling, the who someone is and who they are not. Lets keep are comments relevant and meaningful.
G...Go Away.......you are so found out and predictable. The curr
G...Go Away.......you are so found out and predictable. The current niceties do not work for the simple reason, the goon tactics and threats displayed from your "office/backroom" initially to the contacts from your 900# list, had scam written all over it. Mr. David or whoever, should have had some "communication skills" training or some form of non neanderthal conversation before he was let loose on the end of a phone harassing NON DEBTORS for money and ridiculous threats. (Alarm Bell Factor)
Looks like you guys are currently in FULL DAMAGE CONTROL mode!! Maybe you should consider vetting your "clients" the next time $$$$ signs appear before your greedy little eyes. Why do you constantly portray them as the innocent parties??? Then your legitimate "Law Office" may not be burdened with the negative publicity on this website and at other sources that you are probaly not even aware of. Most of the complaints about you have come from NON DEBTORS with plenty of proof to back it up. Where is the proof otherwise from your office in Ontario????
G - before I answer your question and give you ANY more informat
G - before I answer your question and give you ANY more information about myself, you have yet to answer my questions. So let me restate it:
Would you send money to someone who states you owe a debt and threatens to take you to court, yet when you ask for verification of the owner of the debt, the collector/lawyer refuses to send out one piece of documentation and only raises the threat level?
So the law firm has only info that is forwarded on to them? The
So the law firm has only info that is forwarded on to them? The law firm doesn't check the validity of the debt? This law firm doesn't operate legally. According to the attorney general of the state I live in, this law firm is not licensed to collect in the state I live in. I was contacted by the law firm for a 900 charge on my phone bill. No one in my house made the 900 charge via the internet (yes, I'm sure you hear that all the time as you have stated earlier). As I am busy working my legitimate job (which happens to be white collar) I didn't want to waste my time and fight with the 900 company so I paid it though I didn't agree with it. So the law firm is trying to collect and threaten to take me to court on a debt that doesn't exist. I have phone records proving that the 900 charges were paid in full.
I'll have you know I am as white collar as they get with more ma
I'll have you know I am as white collar as they get with more maturity then you will ever have in your baby finger. Seems I was correct in assuming you were Mr. David because your true colors have prevailed.
It seems in one of your recent postings you were trying to make out out that you cared and were here to help - looks like the tables have turned yet again and you are back to your old harrasing ways. You say "you don't believe any of the crap posted", well then, what are you doing here??? Apparently your really don't have much work to do other than harrass people on the phone as well as this forum. And as to your comment about screaming it out the front door, you'll be back here reading this posting and I am sure have a real mature comment for it all becuase you have nothing better to do.
Once again, you never responded to any of my concerns - what a surprise!!!!
P.S. Thanks JJ, GG, JEFFW and Enough! Once again, there are more people against this so called Law Firm then there is for - you will never succeed Mr. David and collegues as long as there is this forum to education all of your victims.
P.S. If you were intelligent enough and thoroughly read my post
P.S. If you were intelligent enough and thoroughly read my posting, you would have remember that I said I work for a law firm - just about as white collar they come - touche!
What????.....No postings from the Canadian outfit today so far..
What????.....No postings from the Canadian outfit today so far.....they must be busy making phone love to their beloved debtors!!
Undoubtably true GG! Maybe our postings finally got through to
Undoubtably true GG!
Maybe our postings finally got through to them - doubt it though - they'll be slumming around here yet again preaching their threats with no backing as usual and AVOID our questions.
Because we are not members of the Thornhill Country Club????????
Because we are not members of the Thornhill Country Club????????
Was I right? Absolutely! Didn't take long for them to be slumm
Was I right? Absolutely! Didn't take long for them to be slumming around here yet again - comment directed at Guest who once again has given yet another intelligent comment (i.e. "losers"). Look in the mirror!
P.S. Not only do you slum around here in the week-days but also
P.S. Not only do you slum around here in the week-days but also on the week-ends according to your post time - really, you serious need to take a look at what you spend your time on! You spend so much time trying to defend this so called illegitimate company - do something that actually matters to people rather than the other end of the stick - you may actually feel better about yourself knowing that you are doing good in the world rather than the opposite - just a suggestion. Remember something you had said in a post before - you may wish to take your own advice and use your time for better things that actually mean something - "time on this earth is short, enjoy". Remember, guilt is a powerful thing - what you do for a living must be eating yourself up - I know it would any normal person.
Well said Guest. You have to wonder??? No legitimate company w
Well said Guest. You have to wonder??? No legitimate company would be written up as much as this collection agency is IF they operated legitimately. You are only on this site to further harrass and verbally attack people - with the behind the closed door method?? Obviously you know you have been scamming people and are now paranoid that word is getting out and people are warning others of you! This forum is for people who need help or advice not (as someone said in a previous post I had read) "Bottom feeders" such as yourself! Move on, you are becoming deadly boring with your same, pathetic comments moving from forum to forum, using different names but still the same cowardly comments - You are so obvious Paul Kuperstein and Associates - for goodness sake - GIVE IT UP! It is has come to this for you - using the means of internet to futher harrass people without making yourselves known. Must be hard sleeping at night knowing you are still the same person every morning. A person who takes pride in trying to make others lives hell. This forum is a wonderful - thanks to all who post!
Has any one heard if the hearings took place on the 5th and 6th
Has any one heard if the hearings took place on the 5th and 6th or how they turned out?
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Whoever was scammed by these crooks needs to contact the authorities. Contact the Canandian police in that area as well as US trade commission and CIA or FBI ( whoever handles international crimes ).
These guys need to be behind bars. This isn't like a payday loan where we actually agreed to something this is blatant criminal actions that need to be punished.
Paul Kupferstein
You may also want to complain to the Ministry of the Attorney General as Mr. Kupferstein is a Deputy Judge
Paul Kupferstein
I have appeared before him in Small Claims Court, as well the company that uses Mr. Kupferstein's name is Liability Solutions Inc. and the owner has an extensive criminal history
Ya know what's fun - really looking at the owner of a website. ;
Ya know what's fun - really looking at the owner of a website. ;)
liabilitysolutions.com
Registrant:
Liability Solutions Inc.
4981 Highway #7 East, Unit 12A,
Suite 261
Markham, ON L3R 1N1
CA
Domain Name: LIABILITYSOLUTIONS.COM
Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
Liability Solutions Inc.
jaycowan[at]liabilitysolutions[dot]com
4981 Highway #7 East, Unit 12A,
Suite 261
Markham, ON L3R 1N1
CA
Phone: 9054743535
Fax: 9054743536
Record expires on 06-Jul-2008
Record created on 07-Jul-1998
Database last updated on 07-Jul-2004
Current Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
IP Address: 216.123.13.28 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: CA(CANADA)-ONTARIO-TORONTO
Record Type: Domain Name
Server Type: Apache
Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Web Site Status: Active
DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: Welcome to LSI
Secure: No
E-commerce: No
Traffic Ranking: Not available
Data as of: 07-Nov-2005
Here's a curious part: see that mention of "Secure = NO" - there is a link on the website for "cutomers" to login, but that login box goes nowhere and does nothing. Even the pswd box in not encrypted.
Further digging we find this bit of info:
Brad Howard Account Technical Contact
his email is brad[at]HEURISTICTECH[dot]COM
Interesting - heuristictech.com is a health care collection agency, from what I can tell. And it is owned by a company called Cash Technologies.
Guess this has been going on for quite some time. Here is a news
Guess this has been going on for quite some time. Here is a news story about this guy:
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Telemarketing Scam Uses Bad Credit To Snag Victims: File Complaints With Better Business Bureau POSTED: 1:51 pm CST November 29, 2005 UPDATED: 5:10 pm CST November 29, 2005 HOUSTON -- An urgent phone call demanding that you pay off a bad debt may end up costing you more than you bargained for, the KPRC Local 2 Troubleshooters reported Tuesday. "It can be very intimidating," Blake House said. "This is Mr. David calling from the Attorneys Office of Paul Kupferstein & Associates. I am calling regarding an urgent legal matter," a phone message to House said. House received a letter from the same law firm in Canada. The important legal matter was an alleged unpaid bill for $102. "I just didn't feel that I owed this and I needed somebody to show me that I did. And they couldn't," House said. John Owens, with the Texas Attorney General's Consumer Division, said Canadian scams targeting U.S. residents are on the rise. "There's a lot of corrupt telemarketing going on in Canada, I hate to say," Owens said. In this case, the Troubleshooters discovered the law firm of Paul Kupferstein is not even registered to collect debt in Texas. Every bill collector calling Texas consumers must be licensed and bonded, and with the Secretary of State. The Canadian collector refused to talk about it. "We represent about 60 different clients, so there's nothing I need to speak to you about at this time," a representative said over the phone. House filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and never heard from the company again. But others are still receiving harassing letters and phone calls, according to the Troubleshooters. "Contest the debt in writing and send it certified mail," Owens said. If that does not work, House said to try his tactic. "I'll hang up on him," he said. If you have a news tip for the KPRC Local 2 Troubleshooters, drop them an e-mail or call their tipline at (713) 223-TIPS (8477). |
Paul Kupferstein, Barrister & Solicitor 16 Esna Park Drive, Uni
Paul Kupferstein, Barrister & Solicitor
16 Esna Park Drive, Unit 101
Markham, ON
L3R 5X1
Tel: 905-470-9444
Fax: 905-470-9449
Email: paulk50(at)hotmail.com
Paul Kupferstein, age 51, is a practicing attorney and has been a
member of the Law Society of Upper Canada for over 20 years. He has a general
corporate and commercial law practice in Markham, a suburb of Toronto, Canada.
Currently, he acts as counsel for a number of companies involved in
manufacturing, technology development and transfer, education and financing. Mr.
Kupferstein is also a part-time deputy judge of the Ontario Superior Court
(Small Claims Division) and a part-time lecturer at Humber College in Toronto.
This is the criminal history you're referring to? A law office
This is the criminal history you're referring to? A law office is not governed by the FDCA.
A law office IS governed by the fdcpa if they are trying to coll
A law office IS governed by the fdcpa if they are trying to collect debt...they are considered a DEBT COLLECTOR and the FDCPA does not distinguish between liars (lawyers)trying to collect debt, and collection agencies...they are the SAME.
Hey Kupferstein Defender.........Would you like to post your cli
Hey Kupferstein Defender.........Would you like to post your clients (Kupferstein) home phone number on this forum?
I am sure a lot of people who recieved suprise phone calls (during the 900# scam) at their homes from your intimidators (David, Sargeant & Cowan) in the past few months, would love to return the favour.
Oh thats right.... you do not talk about the 900# thing these days. You are all trying to be legitimate covering payday loans. (Check the Payday Loans What to Do...recent postings)
Your "law firm/ debt collection/scam oufit" got burned trying to take on people with more power than you bargained for and you LOST!!
The RCMP have a file on you guys bigger than your dumb Canadian egos!!!
GG, you sound like a very nice person. Why don't you post your
GG, you sound like a very nice person. Why don't you post your home phone number on this forum?
While were at it GG, why don't you tell us your real name?
There's been nothing lost, and it sounds as though David, Sargeant & Cowan, as you make mention of, met their match with the likes of you.
Describe a 'dumb Canadian ego' for me will you my highly intellegent American?
Kupferstein office is in Ontario Canada, governed by the Law Society of Upper Canada.
okay here we go again. All those who continue to use this thread
okay here we go again. All those who continue to use this thread to fight with one another will be banned and your posts deleted. To the guest posting the news article, thank you for sharing the information. To the guests citing criminal history, asking for personal phone numbers etcc.. unless you actually have pertinent info to share, please go fight somewhere else.
Hear you loud and clear jj.......apologies for the vented post.
Hear you loud and clear jj.......apologies for the vented post.
I guess a lot of us who were targeted by these people in the past regarding the 900# scam, and want to see closure on the matter.
The patronizing recent posts from our "friends" in Canada are only adding fuel to the fire. Most likely with intent!
Should there be consideration to banning this kind of rhetoric from the forum?
Has anyone stopped to think, maybe some of his students are post
Has anyone stopped to think, maybe some of his students are posting this stuff?
This so called firm have nothing better to do then keep logging
This so called firm have nothing better to do then keep logging on to this site trying to defend their illegitimate office. I value this site as I too was "almost" a victim of their scam back in February. Upon calling their bluff, I have not heard from them to this day, which of course is no surprise. They couldn't get anywhere with me so they moved on to their next target. Whether it be Mr. David and collegues or Mr. Kuperstein's students (Lord only knows why anyone would want to follow in his foot steps to begin with) posting on this forum, you can always tell if you read very carefully between the lines, especially the ones that read like they are defending this boggus office, who really is behind typing the postings, the illegitimate con artists themselves. Like I have said before, they are they only ones on this forum who defend this topic everyone is against. It would be nice if they just faded off into their imaginary world of fraud but unfortunately they know no better and keep slumming around. Such a shame that they choose to exist that way really.
The negativity is getting to everyone, I think. I vote we consi
The negativity is getting to everyone, I think. I vote we consider this matter closed until more FACTUAL information comes around. (other news articles, important information)Arguing isn't going to help anything.
The thread has some useful info, that some people should have ac
The thread has some useful info, that some people should have access to....maybe just delete the posts with no important/purposeful info.
I went to the Law Society of Upper Canada's website. On there, y
I went to the Law Society of Upper Canada's website. On there, you can request the the practice history of a member. I requested Mr. Kupferstein's info and received this reply:
I can tell you that complaints are confidential between the complainant, the member and the Law Society.
However I have forwarded your request regarding Paul Kupferstein's discipline history to the Discipline department for their response. You can reach them by calling 416-947-3315.
Sincerely,
Lisa Murphy
When I hear something, you will hear something.