Paul Kupferstein - Mr. David - EBSI- 900 Number Dialers

But one question: is taping a conversation legal in Canada? Or do you have to get the consent of both parties? Just a thought...

Guest---you are right. No, I didnt record the original convo because I didnt have time. When someone answers the phone, they should not be threaten off the bat with jail. You see, after I talked to the MP's office, I did indeed record my convo with this idiot when I phoned him back for the instructions. I then sent along with a written statement, word for word, what was said. Although you seem to think this is a legal way of getting people to pay their debts, it is in fact against the law to threaten anyone, anytime with jail when most of these cases are under civil law. The MP's office is very aware, as is the Canadian government about you and your so-called company, threatening people and using false statements to get money that may or may not to due. A simple solution would be for your company to have a rep phone about the debts, BUT BE CIVIL. Its not to much to ask, you get more bees with honey, not vinegar. In fact, this Mr. Shaw claimed that he sent papers to my old address, so I went there because I am still friends with the landlord(and had asked him to save my mail that came to me) and there was not 1 piece of mail from your company. HHHHMMMM
I have stated a few times here that IF indeed I still owe money, I have no problem paying it, but I will not be threaten with jail, should I not follow your instructions to send this money pronto. Send me the proof and I will. Until then, maybe you so-called lawyers need to get a new job-may I suggest chasing ambulances????? You may earn more money that way.

I don't work for this company. I don't know who this Shaw guy is either. In one post you say you spoke with Mr. David and then you mention Mr. Shaw - who is it that you actually spoke with?

Why do you want to know Guest? They keep flip flopping their names over there and on this forum so who knows which one is what.

Talk about honesty! That says it all - crooks and liars pretty much sums up who they really are. So cowardly to hide behind alias names over the phone and on this forum - says a lot for their character. AND they wonder why no one trusts them - go figure!

Are you saying that the same person uses different names? You think they make up names? How do you know this? It isn't lawful for them to use an alias, how do you know they aren't using their real names?

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I think Guest1 you missed the point in the guests question. Painfullyaware wrote that she was dealing with Mr. David then in the next one she says that she was talking to Mr. Shaw. And answer to the other questions nobody uses fake names and we are doing things legally. Also Guest1 I hide behind nothing. I do not know who else posts on here as other people. But Charline and I post on here honestly. No one else in this office has access to the internet so I guess these other people are just trying to stir the pot. So please do not try to place blame on this office. Thank you. And Jedi no Charline and I do not make calls. We just try to help people.

Hate to say it Janet, but do you honestly think I and 99% of the people believe anything that comes out of that office on the telephone or here on the forum as being truthful?!

You can't blame me after what I had to endure speaking with a one "Mr. David" from your office. Say what you will to try and cover up how I was treated over the phone, deny it all you like, but I have it taped.

If you could only hear how I was treated over the phone then you understand why people on here say you operate illegally. How would you define verbal harrassment? My tape would definately be the defination of how not to operate and business and talk to people.

And furthermore, you can say it is your real name, but seriously, how does anyone really know that is the truth?

And Guest, you ask a lot of "how's" and offer no answers to anything asked of you. Classic move from someone who works for this firm, that is avoiding questions directed to them and turn the tables on everyone else - Surprise, surprise! We are too clever for you here "Simpleton".

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Guest1 believe what you want. My name is Janet has been since the day I was born. I have answered all the questions ask of me. I cannot say how your were spoken to as I was not there. I also cannot say how you spoke to the person whom you were taking to either. But by your calling me simpleton etc. I can only guess how you spoke before you were rudely spoken to. I aleast post my name you don't have the guts to. so who is hiding????
Jedijeff I give you alot of credit at least you respect other people and I feel like I am taking to a mature person. And you are very welcome. As I said before to you jedi I don't know your situtation as I was not here but once again I am very sorry if you were treated badly. I know that I do not treat people they way. Thanks once again.

I suggest you read before you jump the gun Janet. I was not taking a shot at you AS I clearly was speaking to "Guest" at the point in my posting - as was indicated. "Guest" was mature enough to call someone else here on this forum in a previous posting "simpleton" so I was just giving him back claim to his rightful name.

I can only say Janet that I was too dumbfounded at the time to respond to "Mr. David" so I can honestly say, I was NOT rude at all on the phone - believe what you want. The tape tells the truth - both calls!

Like I said before also, we'll never know if that is your real name or not just like your firm continues to say they operate legally to this day. To each their own.

I wasn't the one that posted the word 'simpleton', and I don't work this company. You claim illegal activity and I was just wanting to know what the illegal activity was, that's all.

Isn't any one curious about why Canadaconsumer isn't posting anymore?

I haven't posted because I have been away (vacation). I am back home tomorrow and when I get home, I will be posting some very interesting and helpful information.

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Too many people posting with the name "Guest" that people are getting confused with who is saying what.

Can't wait to hear what you have to say!

I am sure you can't - Paul Kuperstein employee!

By the way, the information I have gathered does not relate to Liability Solutions. Sorry, to disappoint you "Employee", it has to do with PDLs in canada.

I think what "Guest" was trying to say is that the person posting as "caught in the act" is an employee of Paul Kuperstein's office.

LOL, I am soooo not a Kupferstein employee!!

LOL, I am soooo not a Kupferstein employee!!

Maybe we can pull an IP trace to verify that?

Whatever, they lie about everything else.

What's wrong with you guys?

I might ask the same of you. Take a look in the mirror "caught in the act" before you cast stones.

If what you say is true and you don't work for this firm, them you really have no grounds to stand on when questioning other people's opinions. Gathering from your postings you see only one side of the story and are not willing to believe that anyone did have a bad experience with this firm - to each their own I suppose.

Why are you here? Are you trying to stir up the pot? I am guessing that you have posted before just under a different name - I would actually bet on it.

Canada Consumer, any luck with the PDL information uou mentioned - I am curious to read what you found.
Take care.

So I asked if anyone knew where Canadaconsumer went, then said I don't work for Paul Kupferstein and I'm trying to stir the pot? Intimidated, what are you talking about? You said and I quote
"Gathering from your postings you see only one side of the story and are not willing to believe that anyone did have a bad experience with this firm"
I never mentioned this firm, you guys did. This jedijeff guy/girl - whatever wants to do an IP trace, %$&* are you guys all wacked?
Perhaps your experience with this firm was VERY BAD because you are all trippin'.
Later.............

c.i.t.a - you do know that everytime you post on this board your IP address is recorded, right? It would be nothing for a mod to pull that address. Unless, of course, you spoof it when you are on the web.

And last time I looked, I was male.

I am sorry Guest. I made a mistake when I posted the time before. I made the mistake of giving the wrong name of Mr. David. It is Mr. Shaw that I have been dealing with and the one that threaten jail. It was just a misprint on my part. Although, I dont believe your rant was about the name but the subject matter. You can believe whatever you want, but until you are in any kind of financial trouble and have to deal with idiots such as the company you work OR dont work for, you should keep your criticims to yourself. Have you ever been in anyone else shoes> NO. As I have stated before, If monies are owed, I will pay my debt, but when this company will NOT take any new info to verify the debt, or give out any info other than the amount supposely owed, I smell a rotten fish. A few people have posted that they did indeed pay the debt and were promised papers to verify everything. These same people posted that they did NOT receive any papers or proof that their supposed debt was paid. Can you or anyone from this company explain why???? And dont insult our intelligence by saying you dont know why or that the papers are in the mail. If I believed that, your company wont be under investigation from the government. Paul Kupferstein is the one that employs all of you and you should also be held liable for your actions-even if it is just your job. If you have a moral standard that you live by, you wont be working for a bogus company and still be able to sleep at night. Job or no job, your company has a moral obligation to uphold the law, same as everyone else. And we as tax-paying citizens of any country have a right to defend ourselves against bogus claims and the right to information, according to the law.

Caught in the Act, your postings don't even warrant an intelligent reponse by myself (unlike your "trippin" postings) - you are clearly a waste of forum space.

Painfullyaware, contact Janet and she'll see that you are provided with what ever information you need.

Painfullyaware I believe I later spoke to you and took your information and sent you documents. I could be wrong but what you are saying sounds like someone I spoke with just a week or so ago. Correct me if I'm wrong. If it wasn't you please call me 905-474-3535. And I will help you with this matter.

And painfully - please, please, PLEASE call Janet and get something resolved.

I am very willing and open to see that PK/TLO/LSI does do what it promises. I have yet to see a single person post that they have been helped - only threatened. Janet - if you want some positive press, here is your chance.

Jedijeff I helped Elle and Jenna who posted very nice comments about me. I only do what I can.

You have spoken with them and provided assistance, but to my knowledge, Elle is not completely resolved. Jenna - don't know about how her issue turned out.

We also still have the issue that you need to jump in to get things handled professionally. I would request Mr. Cowan to address my issues about the conduct of his employees.

The employees have nothing to do with Mr. Cowan

Who signs their paychecks?

Their employer.

Hey Guest/Mr. David - shut up. Enough of your bullsh*t remarks, ok. Since you never have anythinig productive to add, keep your mouth to yourself.

Now back to Janet. Janet - let me put this is a way that should be very easy to understand: I request that the owner of the company that Mr. David, Mr. Sargent, Mr. Shaw and Mr. Cagnia work for come to this board and tell us whether he or she accepts their actions and what he or she plans to do to stop them (and by them I am referring to David, Sargent, Shaw and Cagnia) from treating people in the way that many posters have started they have been treated.

And since I know what you will respond, I will be proactive and ask one more question: Why won't he or she come here and explain why they allow the actions of those collectors?

I'm with Jeff,

Because if everything they were doing were on the level, there should be no problem, right? So why won't they do it?

jedi, and kscornell, you are both dreamers. You seriously believe that the owner of any company would post anything of a forum such as this.
Your post are actually starting to make me laugh.

Guest, these people most certainatly do come here and post frequently, whether it be anonymously or they are straight up saying who they are. Need an example? Marcia Brady's Lovechile. These companies frequently read through the post and respond.

Guest, you are absolutely correct - I DON'T expect him to show up and post here. I just want to here it from Janet or Charline. Because the more he won't come here, and the more people post about the treatment they receive when contacted by this company, the more it proves that the owner supports the illegal collection tactics used by his employees.

You are so correct Jedijeff. They send Janet and Charline in to do their dirty, damage control work.

They clearly have something to hide and this "Guest" clown is just trying to stir things up. As I have said before, he is a waste of forum space and clearly his postings are useless and pathetic to say the least.

Unfortunately we have no control of him posting here but I suggest we just think he insn't even here as he lacks the intelligence to have a normal, productive conversation - plain and simple.

He most certainly has the attitude of a one Mr. David - coincidence???!!!

Both Janet and Charline came to post here on their own free will. Every single forum that you can access on this site is the same. All collectors are rude, they harrass, they operate illegally. The owner has a business to run, a very successful one at that. So sorry you feel you were treated unjustly, but so do the hundreds of other people that post on the various sites regarding collections. I don't see post from Presidents, owners, directors whatever. You see they are all busy running their companies. If someone complained on a forum about Microsoft do you honestly believe that any executive would waste his/her time responding to complaints on such a forum? Please, we all know the answer to that. You all seem very angry by the tone of your posts, and perhaps legitimatly, perhaps not. Only you know for sure.
Chances are the owner (of this company and others) don't even know this forum exists. If you truly do have legitimate concerns this is not the way to resolve issues. If you truly believe posting here is doing much of anything you are sorrily mistaken.

A new username.....sweet!

Ok ? - I actually do expect Kupferstein, Cowan or whomever they claim to the the owner to respond here. Why? Well, since their business is a whopping 8 employees large (or 3, if you listen to their other voicemail), they definately have the time. For a company that small, and the allegations against them, one would think he would come on here and protect himself and his business interest.

Then again - while they are still using their tactics and getting money rolling in, business is good. So why ruin a good thing, right?

Please, not all employees are listed on vm. From the information that you've posted and the questions that you've asked you clearly no very little about this company.

I would said from the information YOU have, either you are lying, or Janet is lying saying that no one else has access to the internet.

We'll know for sure when I get the paperwork from the Canadian Business office.

I think my post said 'not all employees are on the vm.'