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Paul Kupferstein - Mr. David - EBSI- 900 Number Dialers

Submitted by on Wed, 11/30/2005 - 09:24
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If you and your computer have ever had the misfortune of being attacked by a Trojan Dialer specific to 900 numbers, you more than likely have been dealing with the likes of EBSI (Enhanced Billing Services Inc) & Integretel (Both are Billing Aggregators) from entries on your phone bill. They are representing the internet scam outfits such as MMI Communications , Information Services and Live Interactive to name a few.
Unauthorized and evasive charges have been placed there by these organizations via the malicious dialer which accesses international 900 number sites. The only time when you are made aware of this activity is when you receive your monthly telephone bill.
The general rule of thumb is: when you challenge these bozo's (Aggregators) after their uneducated telephone reps accuse you or someone else in your household of accessing pornograhic websites, they tend to back down and credit your account (without any word of apology of course). You would tend to believe that this was the end of the matter.

Not so I am afraid, because waiting in the wings, months later are the lowlife bottom feeding debt collectors. These unsrupolous characters buy up old telephone records and debt from even more unscrupolous vendors and go after for what they can get. This is where you may have had a call from a Mr.David or others threatening you with lawsuits, disconnecting your phone line and further harrassment, without fully identifying himself or their client, which is the law.
If you do not challenge this moron on initial contact he may stay on the line long enough to tell you he represents the law firm of a Paul Kupferstein & Associates. Otherwise, he hangs up. The phone number they tend to call on is (905) 474 3535. Investigation of the number gives the address as follows:

Liability Solutions Inc
4981 HWY 7 East
Unit 12A, Suite 267
Markham, Ontario
L3R 1N1 Canada

Thats right Canada, They are also located at several other addresses including PO Boxes, and they are all located in the Markham area. They tend to move around a lot! For peace of mind call the RCMP Phonebusters 1-888-495-8501 or Recol 1(888) 495-8501 hotlines (same number) and your State Attorney General. The Law Society of Upper Canada are also very interested to hear from you. (416) 947 3310. They and the RCMP are very much aware of the activities of these scam artists in their area. This is total fraud and none of it would stand in a court of law. They are preying on vulnerability and fear using scripted scare tactics. Just ask your Attorney Generals office.

This thread has been started to put a case history together on victims and consumers they have targeted. If you are a victim please highlight your case on this forum so that we can get a portfolio of sorts on these crooks, and present it to the relevant authorities, and for general peace of mind. The more people who make complaints the more likely they will get investigated and have their illegal operation shut down. Take note they will infiltrate this forum with bogus victims who apparently ended up paying them after going through the courts. It does not happen! For further information on Kuperferstein and Co. check out further listings about them on this website through the following link:

http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/forums/about2990.html

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Fear is the Key......Lets unlock it!


"confused by charline" why dont you shove you "disappointed" up your ***!!! how come your the only one on this site that is complaining about the services charline and janet offer?? they have said over and over again that their willing to help you through the issues you might have. And as for the investigating.. why is it that you would like investigated?? what is it there doing wrong in their office that you dont appreciate, them giving you the cold hard truth that your just trying to get out of paying something, you owe.. Lets be honest you really dont have any intentions of paying it do you?? Your giving every excuse possible, just like every other person on this site. Grow up and be resbonsible!! If you have proof of paying how come you didnt fax or mail it to them?? And how come their clients are still informing these "collectors" that you havent yet taken care of the matter. Because im pretty sure their the ones to blame. There sending this office these documents, and if you paid it dont you think, they'd be the ones to no that your telling the truth, that yes inteed it was an honest mistake.


Submitted by on Wed, 11/22/2006 - 11:17

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Jed - dont you have anything important to do in your life then sit on ur ass and write back to peopl ewhen they are the ones in the right and you are wrong - LAZY!!

At least you are getting more inventive with your names. But I had asked pages ago that I wanted a STRIPPER name. Sonya doesn't sound very stripper-ish. For the record, I make more money than you can to deal with. I kick such major @ss at work that I can surf the net and support the customer. And all the while, run an IP trace on your computer. If I wanted to be scammed, I could have easily paid the debt without hurting my bottom line. The fact is, I HAVE a bottom line because I know when things don't add up. And when I wasn't given the proper info, I took the time to research.

Janet - I applaud her. I don't claim to state that I know what happened to other people. I just know what happened to me. And I know people have contacted Janet and I have heard Janet is extremely pleasant to deal with. Very professional and very considerate.

We all know we get into trouble. We all would like what WE want to get it resolved. I think many debtors think they call the shots. Well, not entirely. Creditors want to collect what they are owed, and dangit, they deserve to get that back. If you work out a payment plan, you have to realize that just cuz you want to send $5 a month doesn't mean it's fesible for the company to accept. Creditors have a line of debt they know they will write off, and the rest of us pay the price for these people. I hate it as much as the next person.

Middle ground. I think that is all anyone wants. To get to the middle ground, both sides need to move towards each other. Hold your ground and the other party will get very angry.

It is a difficult field to be a debt collector. I can tell you no matter what, I'll never do it. As there are bad debt collection agencies, there are bad debtors that rip companies off. For the bad collectors that give the decent collectors a bad name, these bad people make the rest of us that want to resolve our debt bad names. It's always the few that ruin it for the rest of us.

The key in everything is proof. And there, people, is where we have a HUGE impass. Many debtors have posted here, myself include, stating how we never received proof of the debt we were called about, and instead, received verbal abuse and threats. On the other side, Janet and Charline (and others that "support" (is calling us losers and children support?) them) state that their procedure is that the caller informs the person of this info. I will echo what Janet said, cuz she is dead on:

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So yes their are two sides to every call and unless I'm the one involved I cannot say she said he said. And I cannot deny what the everyone is saying. I was not present during the calls.



Oh...and neither is "keirsten". That one is more a cheerleader's name. :)


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Wed, 11/22/2006 - 12:18

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Thanks Jedi. I can only do what I can. If they don't want help thats their problem. If people want to bash me go ahead I have big shoulders. (Not really) But I will do what I do best and that is to listen and try to help. I know alot of what I get told is bull but I still try to help thats just me.


Submitted by on Wed, 11/22/2006 - 13:02

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Sonya and Keirsten I suggest you throughly read through the posting/entire forum before you give us your UNINTELLIGENT opinion of the situation.

You both (one in the same - whatever) clearly are a little thick in the brain and are truly not worth even responding too - you have no clue what you speak of considering you don't know anyone personally or their own personal situation and what they may be going through. I take it you are a little disgruntled with your own life and seem to get pleasure in critizing others.

Keep rambling on - no one listens to people who write the jibberish you do.

Find a new hobby and get a life yourself - you clearly don't belong here. You see, intelligent and educated people post here which you are clearly not.


Submitted by on Wed, 11/22/2006 - 13:25

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excuse me jed, but for some reason i get the impression that, "you" think im posting as several different people. Thats not true, and if you have a problem with my actual name, bite it, because aleast im giving mine "jedijeff13" what did you get that from an action figure?? and don't refer to me as a cheerleader, im not some sluty airhead. Thanks


Submitted by on Wed, 11/22/2006 - 13:44

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Omg "guest" i dont belong here what a f****** shame, you make it sound like its your own little club.. Pretty sure i have any amazing life, and im just perfect the way i am, and as i said before you people, are clearly the unintelligent ones.. And how do you no maybe i no a little more about these situation than you think!


Submitted by on Wed, 11/22/2006 - 15:20

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One year on and the "Markham Set" are still top of the hit parade...always in defense, never changed!
For those of us with some intelligence and who had the misfortune of dealing with this lot in the past 12 months or more, let them continue to justify their existence and watch them sweat.


Submitted by on Wed, 11/22/2006 - 21:51

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Think what you will SONYA and write want you want - I really don't care. Because reading between the lines of your unintelligent postings, I as others are in a class truly higher than yours and you certainly don't even warrant a response.

The way you type gives the impression that you may be young and lack the intelligence of playing with the big boys here - I think the mall is more your type of atmosphere.

And I truly believe you don't know more about the situation than we think, talk the talk little one.

Continue on your imaginary life of being perfect and try and find somewhere your posting may actually have relevancy and leave this forum to the people who actually know what they are talking about and not looking for something to do to past the time.


Submitted by on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 05:56

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P.S. I think Keirsten and Sonya should start their own little "club" as they seem to be on the same wave length regarding intelligence.

Your name is just fine Jedijeff and as said before are as asset to this forum unlike others. Keep up the good work and don't for a second let the minors get the better of you.


Submitted by on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 06:00

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What makes me laugh about all of this is the assumption by some on this thread that if people disagree with them they are on welfare and need to get a job????????? And where did you find out that we are not working, lol.... Remember what they say about assumptions, OK? For your information, I and MANY people on this forum work alot more than 40 hours a week and STILL see through you!! And no, I DO NOT have time to sit my "lazy ass" in front of a computer all day--since I leave for work at 7 a.m. and return 12 hours later. And guess what, I STILL disagree with you!!
So I tactfully suggest that if you want to respond to someone who disagrees with you, base your response in fact--oh and by the way, if you send me your resume, maybe I'll see if my job is hiring!!


Submitted by kscornell on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 10:06

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As for Keirsten and Sonya, Wow!
You know, at one time I was alot like you. I was of the attitude that people on Welfare were lazy and just didnt want to work. Well, you know what?
I had an injury at work and after surgery and therapy, was forced to return to a job I could no longer do. After 25 years of working the same job, I HAD to go on Welfare, because this great employer fired me. 25 years service and fired. The only way to put food in my children's mouth was Welfare. I am now in a wheelchair because of the injury. Are you stating that I shouldn't collect Welfare because I am lazy????? For all of you that truely believe that the majority of people in debt are lazy and on welfare, think again. It could happen to you in a flash. I have since come down to earth and realized that *There by the Grace of God Go I*. I never lied about my debt, I just wanted a letter stating why they believed I still owed them so much more money than I had already paid. A very simple request. If I had of ignored the debt, that's one thing, but I had proof of payment and still I am treated by people like you like I didnt pay and I resent the need for myself and others, to have to defend our rights under the law, no matter what country you live in. Maybe you need to walk in our shoes before you state your opinion. Then I am sure that you will be the only ones that it happened to. Right?
As someone stated before, read the posts through and if you still don't agree, that's fine, but don't label everyone as lazy and on welfare. It just might be you one day.


Submitted by on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 06:26

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"jedijeff13" what did you get that from an action figure

Actually, yes I did. See, I am a member of a few Star Wars costuming clubs. I get the joy of hanging with great people and movie stars (Peter Mayhew tells great stories of growing up as a kid his height), and I get the pleasure of visiting hospitals and other charity events and putting a smile on their faces, if only for a few minutes.

If you have never had a chance to visit a hospital and spend some time with a child, I recommend it. A few minutes for kids in a scary place can make their stay that much more bearable.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 17:38

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Nice!


Submitted by on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 13:41

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A bunch of us went to a hospital to visit a big SW fan kid (10 years old I recall) that was going in for more chemo and a blood procedure to extract stem cells. After we visited him with toys and stuff (all donated by friends), we visited a bunch of other kids in the ward. Vader, Jedi, couple stormtroopers, Fett and Xwing pilot just cruising room to room to hang for 5 minutes and pass out some toys.

After seeing one child, we are leaving to head to the next room. That child's nurse comes up to me and says "Oh my God. That is the first time I have seen him smile in 3 months."

Wow.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 21:24

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I don????????t know if these people are real or not what I can tell is their phone number is unlisted the address that they gave me does not match any business registration that I can find the name they gave me Paul Kupferstein and associates does not seem to exist but Paul Kupferstein barristers and solicitors does so are these people piggybacking off a name that already exists? Paul Kupferstein barristers and solicitors is at a completely different address and when they had called I asked for an address that I could verify and they gave me the 620 Alden Rd address. Has anyone really been to their office? I once knew about a person that used to take out ads advertising loans for people with bad credit he used to make them jump through hoops filling out applications and then would finally say you are approved but you have to pay us x dollars to secure the loan when they would fedex the money he would make them call with their transit number and he could go to ANY western union to pick it up (he would give them an address halfway across the country which he was not in any way connected to) That is what this seems like to me. Make you jump through a bunch of hoops just to get me to send money. I called their number that they provided and it says ???????Law office??????? but no reference to who the lawyers are that work there. It does not seem very professional and they are not even listed in the yellow pages. I left them a message requesting proof of debt and verifiable info so that I can prove who they are. We????????ll see if they ever send anything. I would be surprised if they do.


Submitted by on Thu, 11/30/2006 - 11:01

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This is the Law Office. If you want a debt validated contact the office ask for Janet and she'll send you your validation. Contact the creditor and ask them if they are represented by the Law Office regarding debt collections.
You could be right however. Maybe the Law Office is fake, they just guessed that you owed some money, they even correctly guessed the name of the creditor and the amount you owe. These people are amazing - must be phychic.
Seriously think about what you are saying!


Submitted by on Thu, 11/30/2006 - 12:59

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The creditor's name is confidential information between Maggie and the Law Office. Maggie please be cautious about what information you post.
Knowing the name of the person that contacted Maggie from the Law Office will clarify for me (and/or Janet) who the creditor is. Janet (or I) will be able to better assist Maggie if we know who contacted her.
Jedi, how do you think you can assist Maggie by requesting this information?


Submitted by on Thu, 11/30/2006 - 13:57

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Jedi, I don't have the time nor do I feel it necessary to defend Janet or Myself in this regard. The last post by Guest was not Janet or me - I don't know who it was nor am I concerned. Jedi, I know you are a very good person, but some people lie and whoever Guest is did not send that post from the Law Office.


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I wasn't attacking you or Janet. My point is that guest said he/she was the Law Office. I would think if someone said they knew me or worked with me and posted that, I would want to know who it was, since they were a little rude to Maggie.

And I asked that question about the name of the creditor because I'd be willing to bet Maggie will say "he never told me".

In fact - are you willing to put up a lunch on that bet, Charline?


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Thu, 11/30/2006 - 14:04

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I'd bet my life Jedi. Maggie was given the creditors name just like all of the other indebted consumers that are contacted by the Law Office. This is getting a bit tiresome. If Maggie deny's this then forgive me Maggie, but I don't believe it.


Submitted by on Thu, 11/30/2006 - 14:08

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Sorry the last post was me.
I have reveiwed Maggie's file and indeed she is familiar with the creditor and indeed familiar with the debt. She has requested validation and states that should she not receive it she won't pay. You will received your validation Maggie. 'Given' the circumstances, Maggie, I suggest you call the Law Office to arrange payment.


Submitted by on Fri, 12/01/2006 - 07:52

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Jedi, only Maggie will understand that reference. I just wanted her to know that I am aware of who she is and that she has no business posting what she did. This is a prime example of the lies and $%## $&*^ that people are posting on this site.
Maggie is being contacted and validation will be sent. I can almost guarantee that you will not here from Maggie again on this forum.


Submitted by on Fri, 12/01/2006 - 08:01

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Jedi, if someone attempts to stall saying they want a validation notice, when they know darn well it's a valid debt we fax them what they want. The clients of the Law Office wanted to get paid before the file made it's way here.
Jedi, you're a $*^& disturber, and I mean that in the nicest way.


Submitted by on Fri, 12/01/2006 - 08:28

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"The creditor's name is confidential information between Maggie and the Law Office. Maggie please be cautious about what information you post."

Last time I looked, it wasn't against the "law" to name a creditor people have dealth with but I am sure Charline you'll try and say there is.


Submitted by on Fri, 12/01/2006 - 09:52

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Wishing you all a very Merry Scamness from informed users of this website to a paticular strip mall unit in Markham, Ontario,Canada.

The "Law Office" are most certainly on our naughty list, after what can only be described as a "difficult" year for them!!

Santa and thousands of others...NOW KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE FACTS!!!
HO, HO, HO!!!


Submitted by on Fri, 12/01/2006 - 21:22

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If more people research their debts as much as they research a law office their wouldn't be these issue's. I am trying very hard to be nice but 99 percent of the people that post on here know exactly who they owe the money to. And when it was due to be paid back. How can a person forget that they borrowed 900.00 to pay the rent in October and forget that it was due back on Dec 1 for instance. I know that their are people out there that have memory problems but are you people trying to tell me that 98 percent of the people have this problem. I can tell you when and where I have took out all my loans in the last 25 years. Soo people stop playing dumb. You know where you borrowed the money from and if your issue's are with the law office phone the company yoou borrowed from and pay them back personally. Don't come on here with lies and bull just to buy yourself some time. (I know you people aren't stupid so stop acting like you are). As for Maggie I do know who you are and if you would like to call me buy all means please do so. I won't hold my breath though. As for listing who the company are that we work with yes it is not legal for us to post their names on this sight we sign a contract with the company that has certain factors involved. ( Meant for Guest) Dear Santa all I want for Christmas is for people to take controll of their lives and be responsible adults. Merry Christmas to all. Still luv you Jedi


Submitted by on Mon, 12/04/2006 - 06:18

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You may not be able to list the customers names, but we can.

I suggest you take your own advice Janet and really think that there are people out there who have been scammed whether you like to think so or not - it does happen and PEOPLE have been wronged by your company whether you believe it or not . . . your preaching that your company doesn't operate illegally doesn't mean a thing to the honest people that have been illegally harrassed and threatened by your company - plain and simple and really, common sense. Damage control can only go so far with the people who have been wronged by your company . . . we know better.


Submitted by on Mon, 12/04/2006 - 07:52

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(guest) where in my post was I doing damage control. Unless Theirs a post on here I can't see. Where did I say anything about the company other then the privacy issue's. My post was for people to contact the company if they don't like dealing with us. And to help some people get their lost memories back. As for all your posts guest they are always negative in response. If you have anger problems please take them out on someone else. I have not or will not answer your insults with insults. I'm alittle to old to play the he said she said game. Please don't bother to respond.


Submitted by on Mon, 12/04/2006 - 08:08

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phone the company you borrowed from and pay them back personally

I couldn't agree more. By all means - if you know who you owe, and you know that you are in debt to them, you pay. That's a fact of life.

I do think, however, that is can get confusing when you get a call from a company you do not recognize. I never indebted myself to any compnay by the name of "the Law Office", "Liability Solutions" or "the Law Offices of Paul Kupferstein". So I think, as others do, if you get a call from any company of that name (or others), asking why they are calling, hearing they are collecting a debt, and then asking the name of the creditor are valid questions. Plus, with all the scams in the world, identity theft, phishing, etc... people are afraid to part with large sums of money without getting proof. And I think they are right to be cautious.

I don't see requesting a debt verification as a delay tactic but more a protection. And 39 cents (or however much in Canada) is a small price for a company to spend to prove they are the company retained to collect. And when you get that letter, you know that company has some business with you. Now, when the first contact I get from a company is a debt letter....well, that just speeds up my payment process.

And I still luv you too, Janet. And Charline too.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Mon, 12/04/2006 - 08:15

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I will not repeat myself over and over again for you to try an comprehend what many of us having being saying for months.

You can believe what you want to believe and make it look like whatever you say and only what you say is the truth. Yes there are people out there that abuse the system but there are others out that that have been abused wrongfully and BY your company. you can deny it all you like but it has happened - THAT is the point I am trying to get across. So you can think I am being negative and all but I am just stating the facts. Over and over again, certain collegues from your outfit come on here stating who they are and hiding behind names totally saying that we are liars and that they do no one - so excuse me if I am negative but I and others certainly have that right especially dealing with the likes of some of your co-workers.

I am sick and tired of your company claiming that you operate legally ALL THE TIME and that what people have expressed they have been through is nothing but a figment of their imagination and it never happened and that we lie.

It is common sense Janet that if you owe something, you pay it back. Unfortunately, some people don't get that. BUT for the people that have been harrassed by your company AND THERE ARE PEOPLE!!!! who don't have a debt - what have you got to say for that - never mind, I can only imagine and don't want to have to start up another repetitive comment.

Believe it or not, it does happen. Should we not be negative but rather completely happy to have to endure the likes of your co-workers for something that doesn't exist - think about it!!! Would you??!!


Submitted by on Mon, 12/04/2006 - 09:33

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