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Paul Kupferstein - Mr. David - EBSI- 900 Number Dialers

Submitted by on Wed, 11/30/2005 - 09:24
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If you and your computer have ever had the misfortune of being attacked by a Trojan Dialer specific to 900 numbers, you more than likely have been dealing with the likes of EBSI (Enhanced Billing Services Inc) & Integretel (Both are Billing Aggregators) from entries on your phone bill. They are representing the internet scam outfits such as MMI Communications , Information Services and Live Interactive to name a few.
Unauthorized and evasive charges have been placed there by these organizations via the malicious dialer which accesses international 900 number sites. The only time when you are made aware of this activity is when you receive your monthly telephone bill.
The general rule of thumb is: when you challenge these bozo's (Aggregators) after their uneducated telephone reps accuse you or someone else in your household of accessing pornograhic websites, they tend to back down and credit your account (without any word of apology of course). You would tend to believe that this was the end of the matter.

Not so I am afraid, because waiting in the wings, months later are the lowlife bottom feeding debt collectors. These unsrupolous characters buy up old telephone records and debt from even more unscrupolous vendors and go after for what they can get. This is where you may have had a call from a Mr.David or others threatening you with lawsuits, disconnecting your phone line and further harrassment, without fully identifying himself or their client, which is the law.
If you do not challenge this moron on initial contact he may stay on the line long enough to tell you he represents the law firm of a Paul Kupferstein & Associates. Otherwise, he hangs up. The phone number they tend to call on is (905) 474 3535. Investigation of the number gives the address as follows:

Liability Solutions Inc
4981 HWY 7 East
Unit 12A, Suite 267
Markham, Ontario
L3R 1N1 Canada

Thats right Canada, They are also located at several other addresses including PO Boxes, and they are all located in the Markham area. They tend to move around a lot! For peace of mind call the RCMP Phonebusters 1-888-495-8501 or Recol 1(888) 495-8501 hotlines (same number) and your State Attorney General. The Law Society of Upper Canada are also very interested to hear from you. (416) 947 3310. They and the RCMP are very much aware of the activities of these scam artists in their area. This is total fraud and none of it would stand in a court of law. They are preying on vulnerability and fear using scripted scare tactics. Just ask your Attorney Generals office.

This thread has been started to put a case history together on victims and consumers they have targeted. If you are a victim please highlight your case on this forum so that we can get a portfolio of sorts on these crooks, and present it to the relevant authorities, and for general peace of mind. The more people who make complaints the more likely they will get investigated and have their illegal operation shut down. Take note they will infiltrate this forum with bogus victims who apparently ended up paying them after going through the courts. It does not happen! For further information on Kuperferstein and Co. check out further listings about them on this website through the following link:

http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/forums/about2990.html

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Fear is the Key......Lets unlock it!


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Submitted by on Mon, 10/23/2006 - 08:49

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? (aka "Guest"), unless you have something productive and non-repetitive, don't bother wasting people's time here on the forum.

P.S. It is kind of strange how you never posted why you are here to begin with - obviously you are one of the 8 people working for this firm. Business must be slow, you are on here an awful lot jabbering non-sense without any proof of what you preach being anything but the truth.


Submitted by on Mon, 10/23/2006 - 09:10

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Oh Intimidated one, you post here so that opens the doors for all. I most certainly am not one of the 8, 9, or 100. Perhaps you are a digruntled ex-employee of this place. Makes sense to me. You got fired because you couldn't collect enough and now you're trying to get revenge?
The odds are the same for me being an employee - right?


Submitted by on Mon, 10/23/2006 - 17:36

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You think I'm employed by this company, I actually employ as I am the employer, but not for this company. I do find it sort of funny that you just assume that anyone other than you, and you must be employees of whoever this company is.
Expand your mind.


Submitted by on Tue, 10/24/2006 - 18:16

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Open your mind I say! Let the air breath in that confined, small space guest and see the truth! Oh that's right, we just imagined everything we went through and everything you say is the truth - wake up once and for all and see that what WE say is the truth unlike yourself and your medling ways. It is completely shocking how you can come on here and basically say that we are lying and support the illegal activities Paul Kuperstein and collegues continue to do to this day. Unbelievable what lengths some people who go through to deceive people of learning the truth about certain companies. Unfortunately for you, we all know better here and let what you say go in one ear and out the other.

As long as they continue to operate their business the way they currently do, there will be forums like this to educate people on how to handle them.

Dido Jedijeff!


Submitted by on Wed, 10/25/2006 - 05:56

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Writting slander and defaming a company is most certainly not proof of anything done wrong. It really doesn't matter how many people complain, what matters is if the complaints are legitimate.
Nothing that is written here is proof of anything.
Intimidated, I'd watch what I post if I were you, you are slandering and defaming - both activities very illegal.
With all this illegal activity that you are claiming why haven't you filed your claim?


Submitted by on Wed, 10/25/2006 - 20:26

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Interesting tid bit of info. The very first post on this site is from FireFly.
The only thing he posted that is real/correct is the spelling of 'Paul Kupferstein' and the contact number 905-474-3535. Everything else posted is absolutely 100% false.
Ya, so this whole site is based on a lie.
Funny how 1 big fat lie can affect people huh?


Submitted by on Wed, 10/25/2006 - 20:58

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Intimidated my dear, you forget the Law Office knows who you are. I'd be a little more careful with my choice of wording if I were you!


Funny - you keep saying that but you haven't gone after him. Also, that phrasing sounds very "female to male" talking. Janet or Charline, you aren't hiding behind a false name, are you?

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The very first post on this site is from FireFly. The only thing he posted that is real/correct is the spelling of 'Paul Kupferstein' and the contact number 905-474-3535. Everything else posted is absolutely 100% false.


Wow - you read 62 pages of posts THAT fast. So, you are saying that the Canadian Debt Collection law is a lie? You are also saying that everything Janet and Charline has posted is a lie. In fact, you state that what you are saying right now is a lie.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 05:13

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If stating the experiences I and and others have had in dealing with this firm are illegal - then strike me down right now. Last I looked, you certainly don't watch what you write and it is a free speaking world we live in!

Jedijeff, I would agree with your "female to male" comment!

It still amazes me how you think you know who I am - threats mean nothing to me Guest especially when you have no clue of what you are speaking of. I wish I was thousands of miles closer because then I would certainly pay you a visit and verbally express to you what I have been saying here all along because you certainly still don't get it.

Actually, I believe you had just threatened me and I won't tell you to watch yourself because that would sink me to your level and I don't want to be documented as threatening others. Thanks for the posting, it will add to my pile of threats from you and your firm.

It would be so refreshing if you could post something productive instead of threating people for once. You are doing more damage to your character going down the path you are going. Last I looked this forum was to offer people advice, not threaten them. You could say people are calling you things but really, they are only defending themselves after being verbally attacked by your first.


Submitted by on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 06:30

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Fisrt of all alot of you people help other people which I think is great. Their are alot of people out there that can get down on their luck. For this I commend you all. But the comments re the canadian dollars etc are really stupid. It make the people who are supposed too be helping sound stupid and ignorant. As for the peeson who replied back to the canadian comments if you are canadian I can understand your anger at the insult. But throw crap around does not help solve issue's. As for Janet and Charline I think its great that you are also trying to help. Maybe all of you people should get together and try to help people in debt clear up the messes that they have made and make a better life for themselves instead of butting heads or saying they said this and they said that. Yes these people might be rude or whatever but the issue here is to help people get out of debt. So incourage these individuals to contact the orignal place find out the amount and pay it to whomever holds the debt whether its this Paul Kupferstein or onother company.


Submitted by on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 07:24

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the issue here is to help people get out of debt. So incourage these individuals to contact the orignal place find out the amount and pay it to whomever holds the debt whether its this Paul Kupferstein or onother company.


This is not said to go against you, disgusted. I just want to say "show where I have said anything contrary to that statement". I have said that all along. If you have a debt, you pay it. That is how it works. I would not want to ge to a job, but in 40 hours and get nothing for it. That is the same with a company that gives you money or a service - you pay for it.

One main issue comes in to play - this company rufeses to say who the debt is from. Now, that is a statement that refers to everyone BUT Janet. I have heard that Janet will notify the caller who has contracted with this company to collect the debt. But when the main callers (David and the rest) refuse to give out that information, red flags are raised.

Again - since I need to constantly repeat myself - my issue is two-fold: A) how this company attempts to collect debts and b) the fact that many of their debts are fraudulent. It is well documented that they have done this.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 07:53

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Why don't you make your way to our wonderful Province Jedi, stop by the Law Office and have a listen to what is said, and what is NOT. All debtors are told who is calling, from where, where the debt originated, given a case number, and a contact number. I don't know where you get off claiming that 'their debts are fraudelent', where is the legal documentation of this claim? You've claimed to have not been provided this information, who made you 'speaker for all'? Intimidated know exactly who 'she' not 'he' owes money to.
It's Intimidated that burns me, because she knows full well that she took the system.
Jedi, I don't know why, (if your claim is truth), you were treated the way you were. I assure you this is not the way the Law Office practices.


Submitted by on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 14:47

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Re-read Jedi my dear. FireFly the first (that's 1st) post is garbage. That is with the exception of the correct spelling of Paul Kupferstein's name and the contact number that he gave - 905-474-3535.
You claim to be a man, act like one.


Submitted by on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 15:05

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Re-read Jedi my dear. FireFly the first (that's 1st) post is garbage.


Sorry - I did not read well enough. I do know see you only meant Firefly. But from my research, that I have posted here extensively, Firefly is dead on. And again....."my dear"....Janet - is that you posting? Or is it Charline?

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Jedi, I don't know why, (if your claim is truth), you were treated the way you were. I assure you this is not the way the Law Office practices.


Oh, but I feel it is. Intimidated, Elle, a victim, moosecammello....I could go on. SO many of us have experienced the same kind of treatment from this "Law Office". Don't worry - I have plans in the works - business in the area, contacts in numerous Canadian gov't offices.... you will hear from me full force when the time is right.

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You claim to be a man, act like one.


Oh, I am, sweetheart. See - I'm registered. I don't hide behind multiple fake names. I don't run from a fight.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 18:56

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I am going to post this ever here also as it seems I am being attacked over here as well!

Oh please, Charline or Janet (which I would agree with Jeff on this one) - your threats mean nothing to me. Or are you the infamous Mr. David who decided to take a crack at threatening people on here instead of the telephone - wouldn't surprise me.

Bring it on! I am sure everyone would love to see how low you would sink furthermore, my lawyer is anticpating you do something like this. It think there is this thing called a "confidentiality clause" in addition to writing false accusations which you have no proof to back up. I feel so comfortable knowing that I have a legit lawyer in my corner who loves to bring law suits (and win might I add) on people like you. I think what you threaten me with is just what we need so please be my guest.

I think I recall you stating something along the lines in the Paul Kuperstein forum about "slandering and defaming" - wouldn't that be what you are threatening to do to me - sweetie?!


Submitted by on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 06:18

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I will state once again that I only come on here as myself. So as I said in the other forum. I will not be brought into your bickering and used as your escape goat. I do not LIE. If I have something to say believe me I'm woman enough to say it. I don't need a false names and I don't hide behind excuses. So don't bring my name into your bull thank you


Submitted by on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 08:19

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It's just that we have been burnt by Charline's / Mr. David's postings in the past. They come in and out of names but their wording pretty much remains the same and the written harrassment is pretty consistent. It is only human nature to respond to comments when our personal character is being attacked without validity. I am sure things would be where they are today if they practiced what they preached but unfortunately for them, they choose the wrong path to go down and picked the wrong person to mess with.

It is too bad that your collegues couldn't be more like you. I am sure my impression and dealings with your company may have been different if it was you who called me and not Mr. David. I do realize that you may be the only in your company who actually is sincere. In any event, I apologize.

My comments are directed to certain people and they know who they are.


Submitted by on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 08:34

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Guest....You truely are funny.
You come on here, state everyone is making up lies about your company, that we slander your *Good Name* which you claim is illegal.....HMMMMM And yet you have no answer concerning all of these good people who post that state quite clearly that they were threaten, imtimidated and verbally abused by this Paul Kupferstein & henchman. How do you people sleep at night????? I guess in the eyes of your company, you can do whatever it takes to get this supposed money, be it threatening us with jail but the minute we stand up for ourselves, you make an assumption that we are talking slander???
WHAT!!!!! YOU and your Company make the illegal moves and accusations and we the public should just take it because *YOU ARE JUST DOING YOUR JOB?* Give us all a break and just answer the questions that have been posted. You and your associates are all afraid to just answer the questions posted and instead turn the situation around to intimidate those of us that are just looking for answers. As my name suggests, I am very Painfullyaware that my voice is not heard when it comes to bogus claims made by your company. Just give us the info we need. Why do you hide behind this veil of secrecy, insisting that we are lying? Do you have PROOF that I am not telling you the truth???? Of course not, and yet you expect us to believe that you are???????
ANSWERS---thats all most of us would like and were it not for people like Jeff and Intimidated that can give us info and understanding, we might be lost in the system when it comes to these claims. If you cant or wont answer these legitamite(sp) questions, then maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.


Submitted by on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 08:41

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I don't think we were trying to use you as a scapegoat. We were just commenting that the talk got very loving and caring from "guest". And guest sure knows a lot about your company (what name is it going by this week?). We just did a little math.

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Yes jedijeff13 an A+ for you in math this year. Seldom does our day end in 8 short hours. Business is very good.
Charline


See - I'm good at math! I got a gold star!


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 08:41

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The only thing I am guilty of is making the mistake of coming back here to clear up the fact that I've not been posting here lately. I'm sorry you feel the way you do jedijeff. You're original concern was for contact related to a 900 number that you claim you weren't responsible for. I can't, and I'm sorry, comment on this because of the reputation of the 900 Industry itself. I can tell you that the majority of the people posting here have been contacted regarding payday loans. Jedijeff, I'm sure you'd take care of any outstanding payday loan that you were contacted about, but most people don't want to. Believe me or not, they actually search for ways to not pay. This site makes them believe they've found an out.
I don't care what you think of me, I just don't.


Submitted by on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 11:02

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Believe me or not, they actually search for ways to not pay. This site makes them believe they've found an out.


I agree with you totally. People do that too often, and that is wrong. If they take a loan, they should pay it. Do situations happen - yes. But the fact is you were provided a service. Do the honorable thing and pay it off.

Now, in the same sense, I think people shouldn't be ripped off blind by such companies. There is decency and there is bloodlust - too many companies choose the latter.

For the record, my "dealing" with Mr. David had nothing to do with a 900 or a pdl. I know your company deals with many of those, but mine was a different type of fraudulent debt. I claim your company bought this writeoff debt - you claim they didn't.

We'll agree to disagree.


And I will retract my statement of "guilty by association". That was uncalled for and Charline, I'm sorry for that. I think something like that is better directed at the employer of David, Sargent, Shaw and the rest. That employer allows them to violate the law, whether via a blind eye or a direct order by him/her. To allow them to act outside the law is despicable.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 11:50

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Charline....Are you now admitting that your office were actually involved with the scam involving the 900 number industry in 2005? There is documented evidence on this forum pertaining to that issue. Did you know that "GHOSTING" is the preferred word of choice for those type of practices.
Interesting......VERY INTERESTING!!!!


Submitted by on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 20:39

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Guest88, don't start this again. Don't turn my post into something it's not. I thought Jedi had mentioned before that he had been contacted about a 900 number ussue, now he says he wasn't contacted about a 900 number issue. Perhaps he's never really mentioned what he was contacted about.
Your anwser Guest88 - NO.


Submitted by on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 17:59

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Charline - I am thinking you forgot to update you name on the last post.

I was contacted from Mr. Juan David concering a fraudulent charge that was charged against my bank account. Some company had continued to debit money from my account after the payment was complete. I closed the bank account. About 6 months later, I get a call from Mr. David threatening me unless I pony up over $2000 via Western Union to Liability Solutions. After a week of research, I determined the actual amount he was "contracted to collect" (used loosely) was about $325. I contacted the company that I knew the charge wass from. They stated they had written off the debt. I reminded them they were attempting to collect fraudulently and refuted the debt.

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I give you my word (if that means anything to anyone here) that no debt has ever been purchased.


That's the interesting statement, since my charges were written off and the company told me Liability Solutions was not contracted to collect the debt.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 05:17

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Jedijeff, I find it very interesting that your not here because of a 900 number industry issue or a PDL issue. Very interesting.


Oh - will you use that bit of info to determine my account with you guys? Go for it.

Cuz I'll do just what I did before - ignore you until your company sends me a debt validation letter. And then if/when that shows up, I'll be more than happy to take it to my AG since you are unlicensed to collect debt in my state. That's a class 1 felony here.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 05:21

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First I would like to mention that Liability Solutions never contacted you about an outstanding debt. If you were contacted it was from Mr. Kupferstein's office. As far as a company writing off a debt - this happens, but it doesn't excuse you from paying. The company writes it off and then forwards yours and many, many others to recovery companies, and/or firms to see if they can collect on some of this lost revenue.
The people that answer the phones (customer service) don't always know who does collections for them. The executives, however, are well aware of this. Customer service people come and go. Please let me remind you that a Canadian lawyer need not be licenced as a collection agency in the United States to pursue a debt. Mr. Kupferstein is licenced to practice law in the province of Ontario and is governed by it's laws.
I am not a lawyer, however this is how 'I' interpret the acts/laws.
At least you are now admitting to having an outstanding debt written off or not.


Submitted by on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 07:58

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Mr. Kupferstein's Law Office is most certainly not a collection agency, it is indeed a Law Office. Check all over Canada, you will not find Mr. Kupferstein registered as a collection agency. Indeed his is a Law Office. Mr. Kupferstein's practice is not limited to debt recoveries.
I assure you no lie is being spread. I'm not overly concerned with what the fdcpa believes Mr. Kupferstein's office is, it is a Law Office and not a collection agency.
I've read this Act, and it reads the same to me each time.


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Show me proof? Figured you couldn't.

You just said it yourself:
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Mr. Kupferstein's practice is not limited to debt recoveries.


And the FDCA says:
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A person, association, partnership, corporation, or other legal entity acts as a collection agency when he or it:
a) Engages in the business of collection for others of any account, bill or other indebtedness;


I doesn't get any easier than that, Charline.


Oh - and here's something QUITE interesting I found:

debtconnection.com/attorneys.asp

Anyone see an interesting name on that list. Funny - that site is ALL about buying and selling debt. And remember what Charline said....
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I give you my word (if that means anything to anyone here) that no debt has ever been purchased.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 12:32

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In Canada, you may have a leg to stand on, but in the States, not only does "the Law Office" have to be registered in the appropriate state, the lawyer working on a case has to be licensed in that state.

I know, hubby is Canadian and I worked for a lawyer in Ontario and then he was transferred to the States and I now work for a large law firm in New York City.

I think you better read the fdcpa thoroughly and not the Act for Canada.


Submitted by on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 12:33

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We all know you're not a "law clerk". I've read the both Acts and as someone that claims to work in a Law Office in New York, New York and has nothing better to do that come and check out sites such as this, your should know to which juristiction any lawyer muct atorn.
Ouch! Jedi, you caught me. I did look into purchasing debt. What do you do for a living that you have so much time to waste? I go looking at nice cars all the time, but I don't buy them.


Submitted by on Tue, 10/31/2006 - 04:59

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So Charline, you claim that because you are a Canadian law office, you can practice law in the US without needing to take the bar exam for that particular state or without needing any certificate to practice law. Even though if a lawyer in the US wants to move to a new state and is required to take the exam for that state, you guys are so super special that the law of the US doesn't apply and you can just do whatever you want. Be real. Do I look that dumb? Do we look that dumb? Oh, and for someone that is not a lawyer, and has said that many times, you sure claim to know about certain legal issues that would allow you to continue your illegal activities.

And what do I do? I make my salary legally as a computer nerd. As a hobby, I put people in jail.


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Tue, 10/31/2006 - 05:11

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Charline, you think I'm not real do you. Well, let me tell you something. I have done some homework.

Check this link out. In it you will find what is needed to practice law in the U.S. grasmick.com/usangle.htm#How_to_Practice As you can see, if you are working in the U.S. advising in-house, sometimes it is not needed to obtain a license, but if you are working in the U.S. to seek legal work for a client and/or company, you need to obtain a working Visa (TN) and also be called to the bar in the appropriate state.


Submitted by on Tue, 10/31/2006 - 09:29

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Ouch! Jedi, you caught me. I did look into purchasing debt.


Well, since the company name is listed, I would think the owners of the site wouldn't post it unless you guys approved.


And isn't that Liability Solutions? You have claimed in the past you don't work for them. But you contridicted yourself. Which is it?


Submitted by jedijeff13 on Tue, 10/31/2006 - 09:41

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Jedi, I've never confirmed not have I denyed working for anyone. (I'm very careful that way) Go to this site Jedi, and you too can put your name on there. Law Cleak you see Mr. Kupferstein doesn't work in the U.S. he works in Ontario. I'll just leave that one with you to mull over. If that's the best you can do, I suggest you pursue employment in another industry.


Submitted by on Tue, 10/31/2006 - 18:01

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